Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

If, as suggested, most of Europe are of the mindset that Russia will stop at nothing to 'reclaim' the land it has lost since the break up of the USSR, and then continue on to other countries, why is it being left to the Ukraine to stop them?

Surely we must now all join forces and bomb the crap out of Russia, no matter how much it costs. Then we can go after China too because they're not to be trusted either . . and when the mighty European war machine is rolling ever onwards we may as well go the whole way and slap the USA about too.
:rolleyes:

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

Bless…

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You're saying that Europe is right to dither about hoping Ukraine can pull off a miracle?

Either Russia are on the march or they're not . .

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I dont think Russia has marched very far in the last 3 years.

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exactly, this could go on for another 3 with no result on the horizon

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Other than big bills and lots of dead and injured.

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

Once again, for those at the back who can’t (or won’t) pay attention …

Russia *needs* an incursion into Nato territory now more than ever. European Nato is what’s keeping Ukraine in business and the likeliest way of stopping that is to fracture the alliance. They don’t need to cross an allied border with 10,000 men. They just need to ‘crash’ a helicopter 5 miles over the border, then send in a ‘rescue’ mission which requires them to set up logistics chains back across the border to Russia. Then they sit and wait to see what Nato does. If Nato dithers, Russia can probe harder. And in the meantime, the squabbling between the Nato members who understand that Russia needs a hard slap in the face if it puts a single pair of boots on Nato territory, and those who continue to argue for Russia’s legitimate interests, makes it harder to deal with the next action Russia takes, possibly in ‘defence’ of Russian-speaking citizens of the Baltic states.

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this is where you pause call of duty,come out of the basement and have a nice cup of tea;)

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NATO always dithers, it's a dozen or more members that need 17 meetings before a decision is made . . to send a harshly worded letter.

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It took one day the only time Article 5 has been invoked - 9/11…

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oooops sorry, my mistake, on one occasion from 283 they acted quickly ;)

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Sorry but where has the 283 came from?

The only time where a NATO member was directly attacked by an external agency and invoked the NATO article, the rest of the group, probably led by the UK offered what help[ (militarily or otherwise) they could.

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It was sarcasm . . which seems to have gone down the same hole as humour.

'sigh' just forget it OK, then we can happily get back to moaning about potholes, the price of petrol, TV streaming boxes, the weather and of course Ant & Dec ;)

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The problem is you make blanket statements like "NATO always dithers", and when presented with evidence which contradicts your position, you try to support your first post with unfounded comments which have no basis in reality, and when challenged, you tend to default to the old "iT wAs A jOkE!" excuse…

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Like I said, just forget it, we make no difference anyway