Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

It'll be good if other nations also vote to exit, it'll quickly kill the idea that anyone can be 'punished' for leaving if others do it too.

Here's hoping.

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

So you doubted opinions of leavers, an now you're telling them they don't understand what leave means? Interesting views you have.

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

apparently the whining jock is going to make a speech about a Scottish referendum :shocked:again

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

Why would they have to apply special rules for us? Why don't they change things for everybody? Realistically there are no measures that could be introduced anyway those would fully resolve the issues. It would be just tinkering around the edges and people would find a way around any new restrictions.

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

[QUOTE=ntluser;35845074]I don't really understand why David Cameron chose to step down because the EU Referendum result not only gave him the greatest weapon for reforming the EU but also provided a beacon of hope for all other dissatisfied voters in the other countries within the EU.

The Leave voters don't want to remain in the EU as presently organised but that is not to say that changes cannot be made, though they would have to lead to a much better deal than the one offered which was pathetic.

All EU countries could decide to give up completely any idea of forming a European Superstate and formally put that into EU rules.

They could legislate to make the national courts the supreme courts in any EU country.

They could still have freedom of movement within the EU but within limits specified by national governments, such limits to include the expulsion of criminals and other undesirable elements and limits on numbers.

We could go back to being a trading nation and the EU could dismantle some of the more expensive parts of its infrastructure.

Cameron would not have to activate Article 50 immediately. He could propose changes to make the EU more acceptable and less meddlesome.

He could point out that there is anti-EU sentiment throughout the EU and that if nothing is done the UK Brexit might be an example other countries want to follow. Better to have a really reformed EU than one that decomposes altogether.

And while he is doing all this he can dangle Article 50 over them like the Sword Of Damocles, something he could be doing for years.

In this way we could still remain in the EU complete with our sovereignty, continued access to the EU market with a lot less EU interference and expense. We could also keep the UK united with no need for independence votes.

All we have to do is delay our use of Article 50 so long as the EU reforms and is working for us and all other countries in the EU.

Only time will tell what the future holds. I just hope it holds the use of a lot of common sense.[/QUOTE]




it was never his mission to change the EU

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

No-one understands what leave means right now.

Pointing out that people don't know what it means is neither interesting or controversial.

That no clear vision of what it would mean has been presented hasn't helped.

EDIT: I would also point out that you don't know how I voted.

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

The problem was that David Cameron was arguing just for us which made us appear selfish.

He would have got more support if he had argued for equal rights for all EU states.

All his successor has to do now is see what happens in the upcoming French and German elections. My guess is that there will be a massive swing to anti-EU parties.

Another thing to consider are the MEP elections when again there could be a massive swing to anti-EU parties following the Brexit.

It's a shame that the EU management is so inflexible because if they don't adapt and change they will be like the dinosaurs..extinct!

The next two years are going to be very interesting.

Re: The EU referendum
 

I'm not aware of any evidence of this. These numbers will become clearer later.

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Treaty change requires unanimity. That isn't going to happen.

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

it was never his mission to change the EU[/QUOTE]

You may well be right. If that was the case it's definitely proper that he should resign especially as a lot of things he said in the EU campaign were lies.

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

If that deal includes free movement of people and paying into the EU, which it will do......then what was the point?

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Did your IQ suddenly drop sharply.

If we want access to the single market we will have to accept free movement of people, pay into Europe and accept all the rules regulations and bureaucracy.

So what was the point.

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

Taking back control.

EDIT: I would strongly recommend listening to Michael Gove and Boris Johnson. Gove just pointedly discussed leaving the political structures of the EU. Boris went to pains to discuss our role in Europe. Both are discussing being open with the world.

You weren't thinking we were going to revert to WTO rules, or get a Swiss deal without agreeing to the terms and conditions, were you? That is not a likely course of events.

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

One of the biggest, if not the biggest issue of the debate was control of our borders - free movement of people within the eurozone.

Unless the EU capitulate entirely, if we want access to the single market or some kind of associate status, I'm pretty sure that we would be required to agree to free movement of people.

So we won't be taking control of our borders that way.

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

The interesting question is who will pick up the tab for the UK's missing contribution?

If the EU are determined to keep us out at all costs,EU contributions will have to be increased or spending will have to be reduced or both.

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

No we won't ,the US trades with the single market and they don't have to accept free movement or pay into Europe

Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

Why would we need to agree to that? We are a big market for them. We should be in the driving seat with negotiations.