Cable Forum - Coronavirus

All the trouble that this virus has caused in the world, yet if we were able to collect every bit of it together, it would all fit into a shot glass. Source: BBC More or Less programme.

jfman

13-02-2021 05:28

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36070369)

Though apparently you confuse inconvenience & 10 years in jail.

I’d rather they got 10 years in jail than we got another 10 months of lockdown.

Paul	13-02-2021 05:54

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070386)

I’d rather they got 10 years in jail than we got another 10 months of lockdown.

Which says all we need to know about you.

jfman

13-02-2021 06:18

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36070387)

Which says all we need to know about you.

:confused:

We all want out of lockdown do we not? I’m not sure personal freedom extends to freedom to break the rules, potentially spread further variants of the virus and cause significant economic and social harm.

If you think it should then I think it says more about you.

TheDaddy

13-02-2021 08:36

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36070387)

Which says all we need to know about you.

What does it say? As it didn't sound unreasonable to me, why should people put up with lockdown and people dying just because some selfish berk can't tell the truth

jfman

13-02-2021 09:07

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36070389)

What does it say? As it didn't sound unreasonable to me, why should people put up with lockdown and people dying just because some selfish berk can't tell the truth

Paul is holding out for mythical option 3 which I didn't include, which is for covid denial, or at least those who believe it's greatly exaggerated, take over Government policy and we open up pretending it isn't a thing.

Some see it as a battle between left (collective social responsibility) and right (individual responsibility) despite the fact regimes as divergent as China, Iran, Cuba and liberal democracies leaning left and right have all come to the same conclusions around the need for Coronavirus restrictions.

Ultimately I view it as restrictions for the few (international travellers) vs the many (everyone). If opening up is that important then one of those is far preferable to the other. Or we can keep our yo-yo of restrictions into 2022.

Pierre

13-02-2021 10:11

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The amount of people in hospital with COVID at the peak of the first wave was around 21,300 and those in ICU was inclusive of that was around 3,200.

When lock down restrictions started to ease in June it was around 3,000 & 311 respectively.

Looking at the slope of the current graph curves and extrapolating we may be at around those levels come mid-late March.

jfman

13-02-2021 10:52

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36070395)

There certainly could be scope to the main difference is there's already a commitment to try and get schools back first which wasn't the case in the summer. This will promote greater spread among kids and the unvaccinated (their parents).

That said if we work on the assumption that lockdown and the attempts to test, trace isolate new variants works I'm not a million miles away from you. Mid-late April might only be 4 weeks further along but would push cases right down, and following your trends pushes NHS utilisation right down. That pushes the potential need to reintroduce restrictions further into the long grass and hopefully (at vaccinating 8 million people in a combination of second/first doses in that time) creates a one way path out of restrictions.

spiderplant

13-02-2021 12:49

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I've taken the daily new case data from https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases and calculated the R value smoothed over 7 day periods. I've ignored data before June due to the lack of mass testing. What do we conclude? (Other than it's Saturday and I'm bored)

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/02/2.jpg

Chris

13-02-2021 13:05

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It looks to me like the Kent Variant properly exploded onto the scene in mid November.

1andrew1

13-02-2021 13:06

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UK scientists call for debate on allowing ‘big wave of infection’

Advisers to government warn of national discussion after most vulnerable are vaccinated

UK scientific advisers have questioned whether a “big wave of infection” should be allowed to flow through the country’s population once the most vulnerable groups in society have been vaccinated against coronavirus, in comments which may reopen the contentious debate around herd immunity.

With prime minister Boris Johnson preparing to set out the road map for lifting England’s Covid-19 lockdown on February 22, the scientists have warned a national discussion will soon be needed on the level of risk people are prepared to accept from the virus in the future.

“There will be a massive debate about whether we should allow a big wave of infection once we’ve vaccinated all the over-50s,” one influential member of the government’s Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (SPI-M) told the FT. “Are we going to aim for low prevalence or accept high prevalence for a period?”

“It boils down to what we, as a society, are prepared to accept,” added Mike Tildesley, an academic at the University of Warwick and also a member of SPI-M. “We see waves of seasonal influenza and we don’t lockdown every winter, we accept a level of risk.

https://www.ft.com/content/100df7f6-...9-d7f3e859bae5

jfman

13-02-2021 13:07

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36070413)

Only proper lockdown keeps R below 1?

Paul	13-02-2021 14:42

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070388)

If you think it should then I think it says more about you.

Yes, of course you think 10 years for failing to fill in a form is reasonable.
I'm not surprised of course.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070392)

Paul is holding out for mythical option 3

More of your asshole nonsense, exactly when did I appoint you to speak for me.
Dont make that mistake again.

papa smurf

13-02-2021 14:47

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36070417)

https://www.ft.com/content/100df7f6-...9-d7f3e859bae5

Could be the way forward.

jfman

13-02-2021 15:35

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36070444)

Could be the way forward.

There's a few of these stories floating around considering we've a world leading vaccination programme on the go. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36070441)

Yes, of course you think 10 years for failing to fill in a form is reasonable.
I'm not surprised of course.

The 10 years has been clarified as being pursued under the Fraud Act. That requires a wilful act of deceit - forgetting to fill in a form and making it to the quarantine hotel wouldn't reach the evidence threshold.

Lying about your country or origin on the other hand would.

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