Cable Forum - Coronavirus (OLD)

That's entirely the point. As Opposition leader, all he can do right now is criticise in the hope he'll be PM in 2024.

On the other hand, his party represents millions of voters. There is a case to be made, if it's not happening already, for COBRA to include the Opposition Leader & Shadow Health Minister.

A good leader of the opposition would be holding the government to account in a constructive way and point to practical alternative approaches to problems where there was disagreement.

Any idiot can sit there criticising.

1andrew1

01-06-2020 20:13

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36037981)

Sir Keir is doing the former successfully whilst Jeremy Corbyn struggled with the latter.

Paul	01-06-2020 20:19

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36037982)

Sir Keir is doing the former successfully whilst Jeremy Corbyn struggled with the latter.

I dont know about that, he did quite well at being an idiot.

jfman

01-06-2020 22:40

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36037961)

Lockdown effects could be causing hayfever
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...kdown-22118071

I can vouch for this, mine has been dreadful the last 2/3 weeks, often overpowering my tablets.

I’m not sure let’s lift the lockdown and disproportionately put at risk BAME people because white, middle class people are having worse hayfever is something that’s likely to fly.

I could be wrong though, and if there’s a government to put a monetary value one it then it would be this one.

Sephiroth

01-06-2020 22:55

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36037992)

A mischievous comment of low value.

Paul	01-06-2020 23:24

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36037992)

I’m not sure let’s lift the lockdown and disproportionately put at risk BAME people because white, middle class people are having worse hayfever is something that’s likely to fly.

WTF are you talking about.
I never suggested any such thing.
... and you wonder why you get banned from topics.
You're treading on thin ice if you start trolling with such stupidity.

Mr K	02-06-2020 09:18

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tbh i think they've privately accepted there will be a lot more deaths from Covid, however the economy is now coming first. As long as the NHS doesn't get overwhelmed. It might make economic sense as long as its not one of your own family, or you now think you're immune...

Next winter will be the issue if there's no vaccine, and the usual increased admissions due to flu etc. The time to prepare for that is now, not wait for it. There should be increased taxes on those that can more than afford to pay. But will they do the right thing or just wait for events again?

Sephiroth

02-06-2020 09:27

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Next winter will be the issue if there's no vaccine, and the usual increased admissions due to flu etc. The time to prepare for that is now, not wait for it.

Ah - something sensible.

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There should be increased taxes on those that can more than afford to pay. But will they do the right thing or just wait for events again?

Oh- not the Nightingale Hospitals, but more taxes. What a let down.

Mr K	02-06-2020 09:29

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36038007)

Ah - something sensible.

Oh- not the Nightingale Hospitals, but more taxes. What a let down.

How do you expect to pay for it then old chap ? They'll get if from you one way or another ;)

Carth

02-06-2020 09:31

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36038009)

How do you expect to pay for it then old chap ? They'll get if from you one way or another ;)

Crowdfunding? every bugger else is doing it :D

Mr K	02-06-2020 09:42

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Crowdfunding? every bugger else is doing it :D

Possibly, if we could force Capt Tom to walk round his garden another 2,000,000 times that would help......

Borrowing seems to be the in thing, all very well when interest rates are low, but it's going cost the country a heck of a lot more in the long run. Very socialist too.

I don't think people have realised the economic impact yet or that many of those furloughed won't have a job to go back to.

Sephiroth

02-06-2020 09:44

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36038009)

How do you expect to pay for it then old chap ? They'll get if from you one way or another ;)

According to my understanding, the Chancellor intends treating the debt and subsequent investment as a sort of lend-lease debt; something to be repaid over 50 or 60 years. In order to do this, tax rises, if any, would only need to be moderate or low (assuming no efficiencies can replace tax rises).

Anyway, what's your eal point? Knock the Tories, I'm sure.

Mr K	02-06-2020 09:48

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36038015)

According to my understanding, [B]the Chancellor intends treating the debt and subsequent investment as a sort of lend-lease debt; something to be repaid over 50 or 60 years. In order to do this, tax rises, if any, would only need to be moderate or low (assuming no efficiencies can replace tax rises).

Anyway, what's your eal point? Knock the Tories, I'm sure.

So yes , borrowing. ie. we pay back a lot more than we borrow over 50 to 60 years.... i.e. let the next generation deal with it (again), along with climate change and all the other crap we've bequeathed....

Sephiroth

02-06-2020 09:53

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36038016)

That's a very shallow response.

CV arguable posed an existential threat, at least to some degree - hence the borrowing so that society didn't fold like it is doing in the USA. Your stance is destructive and offers no solution.

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