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On the contrary - I believe they've done something truly audacious and actually planned for the fact we may walk away.

Ironically, something we clearly have not fully risk assessed and made preparations for which is why our Chancellor is openly saying if we don't back the deal it will be chaos and no deal will cost our economy tens of billions.

On your first point Parliament will always retain it's authority. What are you proposing? Revolution? Armed struggle?

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well don’t use it now then.

I didn’t say advantage.

You proposed what would we use, if not the £39bn, as leverage in our negotiation.

I simply advised that £39bn is but our annual trade with the EU, and some countries more than others rely on this. EU negotiators would be wise to factor this in, if it was threatened due to political point scoring rather than sensible decisions.

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It’s always the great unwashed that take to the streets.

The silent majority always do their talking at the ballot box.
I don’t see any of that happening......at the moment.

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How so?

Fair enough, badly worded.

Replace parliament with establishment.

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Did you not say advantage because we don't have one?

I'm convinced the EU will have factored this in, and the extent we rely on the EU for our imports.

We cannot readily import such a significant amount from non-EU territories, there's no guarantees alternative suppliers would exist and if they did that they would have the capacity to deliver for our manufacturing industries that rely on 'just in time' methods. There's no guarantee all such items from out with the EU would meet UK regulatory standards.

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The decision to leave the EU isn't grounded in any economic reality. It isn't a massive leap to decide that the same electorate who chose this, and the MPs guiding it, may decide to just leave without any kind of trade deal in a belief we can go back to the days of Rule Britannia. To not prepare for that eventuality would be reckless by the EU, and making such preparations would give them huge leverage in late stage negotiations (like now).

I've got bad news the Britannia is a clapped out old boat in the port of Leith attached to a shopping centre for down and outs.

How does the "Establishment" loses it's authority? The who idea of an "Establishment" is that they influence both sides of a debate and both main political parties. Who replaces them under a FPTP electoral system?

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but don’t actually know so it’s just your opinion and pretty meaningless.... but carry on. I’m not that sure, they may have, but in their smug little castle they may have only given it a cursory glance........lidl and Aldi would be screwed I know that much!

once again I don’t see a link to your stress test so can only assume that’s what you may think but you have no evidence to back it up.

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So the people of Britain will stop going to budget supermarkets and that'll crush the German economy? That's even better than the German cars line.

Can you prove that the EU are in a "little castle" or that they have only given a "cursory glance" at their trading arrangements with the UK?

You are guessing even more than I am, however in the absence of any meaningful responses to anything I put to you have decided to "play the man" instead of playing the ball. (Note: I've put quotation marks there because it's a footballing expression).

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that non-EU countries don't ordinarily have £300bn of capacity in their manufacturing processes/service capacity readily available in the expectation that another may ditch it's most significant trading partners and urgently need a replacement. It'd be a highly inefficient way to operate.

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Economics was but one factor.

I’m not sure that WTO was around during Rule Britannia, but that where we would go.

The Westminster centric metro MPs that believe country consists of the Home Counties.

The country being ignored by these gave rise to the BNP, this evolved into support for UKIP. Support for UKIP forced the issue of the referendum......and here we are.

The referendum was supposed to halt the rise of this parties, and beacon the last election it did. But that before the establishment yet again told the North, that they were stupid..........

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Well, with every poll now predicting that a better-informed electorate would majority back remain, Brexiters have been looking around for someone who disagrees with such polls.
I've always thought that you'd need the computational skills of Diane Abbott to think that the electorate would now majority back leave. And it appears I'm right. Diane Abbott has got her magic calculator out and believes that the British public would majority back leave!
No further questions m'lord! :D
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8649256.html

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Sense of humour bypass award goes to......

No, but that sentence was obviously my opinion, and I wasn’t trying to pass it off as a factual statement.


You don’t know where shortfalls may be, you don’t know where the slack can be taken up.

You don’t know anything, so any proposition is opinion only.

I’m happy to read facts and links to back up any of your ramblings. You post very little.

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It probably was for the Brexit elite who are unhappy about the increasing restrictions being placed on tax havens.

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You equally can’t prove any of your claims that we can negotiate better than we have by threatening the EU over trade, that anyone is in place to fill the gaps if we didn’t trade with the EU or that the EU couldn’t fill their gaps from us by trading with each other. You are the one trying to claim we could do something we haven’t.

By pointing out the challenges my evidence is that we haven’t managed this in two years. You claim it’s because No. 10 is weak negotiating, but can’t prove this either.

The fact is Brexit is irrational economically, which you concede, and we are negotiating with the political arm of a trading bloc.

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I’ve never said “threaten” that’s just you putting emotive words in mouths as usual.

Do something we haven’t....or do something we couldn’t? What are you saying

I would argue that the fact we have this deal is evidence enough for that argument.

Are you proposing we have arrived at this deal from a strong negotiation????

I concede nothing, my position was that the economy was but one factor in the rationale.

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It’s pointless debating if you insist on selectively quoting my posts and cannot maintain a consistent stance, never mind support one.

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I accept that. If you are Jacob Rees Mogg and move your financial interests to the Irish Republic you can maintain the benefits of being in the EU while making money out of the financial crash here.

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Where have I been inconsistent?