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It's interesting how some can interpret things so differently from others.

How is it not true, the country being united, that is?

On your own graph, whole regions of the country voted by a huge majority to vote leave, almost 60% and most of the others by over 50%. Only Scotland, NI and London voted differently. You never get a general election result so overwhelmingly clear like that.

I call that very united!

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52% v 48% is not united. A figure that includes the Remain stronghold of Gibraltar.

That being said, I agree the country is united about the Government getting on and doing Brexit now that we have committed to it.

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Do you really think I'm that stupid?

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The vote from the British people was clear and overwhelmingly. London has skewed the results due to its huge, foreign population.

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I wouldn't have thought previously that you wished Cameron to remain PM. But your recent criticism of him for running away suggests you did not wish him to step down.

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As others have explained - most foreigners were unable to vote in the referendum. The Poles, French, Romanians, Italians...all unable to vote.
Don't forget Scotland, Northern Ireland and many English cities like Liverpool and Manchester all voted to remain.

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Sorry, but you are wrong. Loads of foreigners voted.... have you ever been to London?

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Those who could vote were British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens who lived in the UK, along with Britons who have lived abroad for less than 15 years.
I can imagine Irish nationals would vote Remain. Many Commonwealth nationals voted leave as they felt that if immigration was reduced from the EU, it would increase from Commonwealth countries.
Crucially, no other EU nationals apart from Ireland could vote...and these significantly comprise its foreign population.

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As you correctly pointed out both Irish and Commonwealth citizens voted. Which is over 3 million in London alone... You say that the majority from the commonwealth voted to stay in, I beg to differ.

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Only 3.8m voted in London so Commonwealth/Irish citizens would have formed a percentage of this figure but not 3m of it.

I didn't say the majority from the Commonwealth voted to stay in and I'm not sure this figure is known. I said "I can imagine Irish nationals would vote Remain. Many Commonwealth nationals voted leave as they felt that if immigration was reduced from the EU, it would increase from Commonwealth countries."

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.... as you correctly say the number of commonwealth citizens voting or how they voted is not know. But we can extrapolate a rough guess based on the demographics of each London borough. And guess who is the majority population in the 5 London boroughs that voted to leave...? British of course. The rest of London is majority foreign and it is not out of this world to suggest that they voted a different way. I suggest they did. The correlation is clear.

The 3 million figure I quoted is for foreign residents in London. I didn't say they all voted, that's just how many are registered to vote.

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I get the theory but the facts don't prove it. Take a Remain borough like Richmond. Very few Commonwealth citizens but plenty of EU nationals who couldn't vote. The borough voted Remain.

There's a correlation between people who have strong interactions with immigrants and a vote to remain. Boroughs like Hammersmith & Fulham with low percentages of eligible foreign-born residents still voted to remain.

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Speak truth to power’, departing envoy tells UK Brussels staff
“Serious multilateral negotiating experience is in short supply in Whitehall, and that is not the case in the [European] Commission or in the Council,” he writes. “The government will only achieve the best for the country if it harnesses the best experience we have . . . and negotiates resolutely. Senior ministers . . . also need from you detailed, unvarnished — even where this is uncomfortable — and nuanced understanding of the views, interests and incentives of the other 27.

“I hope you will continue to challenge ill-founded arguments and muddled thinking and that you will never be afraid to speak the truth to those in power.”
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You have some very wealthy London boroughs like Richmond where all the "elites" live. Google "Islington Sect", if you're not familiar with the term. A few liberals live there too...I would need to check the demographics in those boroughs, but I'm not so sure they are majority British. The Chinese and Arabs own central London now...

But places like Richmond are filled with bankers and media types etc who voted to stay in because of all the cheap foreign labour. The term "Polish Plumber" is very popular in London. So these boroughs, are not representative of how the majority of the population voted.

I'll check the demographics tomorrow, because as said, I don't think they are majority British in any case. But if they are, that would be the reason. They are the rich areas that benefit from foreign labour.

There are 32 London boroughs and the demographics in them are pretty clear. Just not sure about Richmond and a few others. You pick Richmond, I pick Tower Hamlets.;)

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I just wish he did what he said he would do, invoke article 50! He didn't as he did not expect to have to. That makes him an ass-hole!

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The country is most definitely not united ,almost half the voters are against the decision to leave the EU that is why the process up to now has been so so troublesome .You simply cannot say that the vote has united the country .

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Either stayed to follow through on the result as he promised or resigned in a more controlled manner instead of spitting his dummy out .He has done the country a great disservice and if he is never seen in Parliament again it will be too soon

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You can tweak the figures as much as you like but it still doesn't mean the country is united behind Brexit ,the exact opposite is true

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The country had some divisions before the referendum and whether one agrees with Brexit or not that has just widened the divisions as one can see.