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It might be by you and Chris but there's plenty of Leavers I know who still believe the spin that we won't be worse off. Ask them who's paying for the customs checks and paperwork and it gets interesting! ;)

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I expect the Brexit process to be defended in this thread but this is not its strongest defence. If one of the cited selling points of the Referendum 6.5 years ago was to remove red tape, then surely we at least knew what the red tape was that we were going to get rid of? If this was impeding the economy then it would seem sensible to remove it at the same time as we were busy erecting more red tape for exporters? Or at the very least, given Covid, to have a timetable for its removal?

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Yup. Optimism is a likable personality trait, but you can't base a business or economy on it.

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Yup. It’s like having ‘hope’ in a plan - if it’s in your plan, you’re likely to fail…

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I don’t recall “red tape” being a major deal maker/breaker in the debate……such as it was.

Also if you think Jimmy Davis, from Peterlee was basing his decision on that, you have learnt nothing in the last 5 years.

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Your appeal to the date of the referendum is a deliberate obfuscation.

Regulatory change is something that couldn’t be planned in any serious way while the degree or ongoing alignment with the EU was unresolved. Don’t forget (I’m sure you haven’t really) that for 3 years the government was led by Theresa May who clearly wanted to retain as much alignment with the EU as she could get away with.

As for covid, well most politicians seem to accept that these are highly unusual times. Even the SNP accepts its own constitutional project must wait until some semblance of normality has returned. And once we get do get to it, it would be very tricky to deal with “regulations” in a single act of parliament. There are lots of different rules affecting lots of different things. Regulatory divergence from the EU is a project that will unfold organically over many, many years.

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You are right. If it is the Jimmy Davis from Peterlee that I know of, it was all about getting rid of foreigners.

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Slight correction: hope was the Plan. Oh, and "opportunities"

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Now we are getting to the crux of things. You and others were happy to pay* any price to get this project over the line. However, the majority of those voting Leave were not. In fact, they were expecting little or no downside because that is what they were told.

If the self-evident risks were clearly acknowledged by Leave at the time, they would not have won. This is why this is and was the Big Con.

*more accurately, for others to pay

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I quoted a reference to exactly this earlier in this thread, I guess it was not in blue so you missed it.

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It seems the French have taken back control:

https://twitter.com/LeShuttle/status...45791027179524

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I feel that someone is still bitter and twisted about losing the referendum. this time next year we'll be millionaires:)

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I think you'll find that is incorrect. Don't believe everything you see on social media.

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Even an article in the eu loving guanriad refers to the ban as a COVID decision.

So nothing at all to do with this thread as I'm sure the poster knew. :dunce:

Link

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Surely the French "taking control of their borders" is relevant to Brexit thread, as that was one of the main drivers for Leave voters?

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/0...endum-and-why/

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I think third country status enables France to do this to us. I doubt their paymasters in Berlin would allow it to happen to ze Germans.

I know the forum loves binary but being Brexit or Covid aren’t mutually exclusive positions for this one.

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On what planet?

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Here's the details on the Eurotunnel web site:

https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/travel...covid-19/#foca and the French Consulate site: https://uk.ambafrance.org/FAQ-Travel...nce-and-the-UK

You really haven't being paying attention have you? Brexit is all about sovereignty (as Seph will attest) and taking control of your borders .. which the French have done.

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I think this degree of nuance may be a bridge too far

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