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:D:D:D
I think you can get away with stuff like this in the short term. But it will always come back to bite you as Tony Blair found out.
We've got over 750 international agreements to make to replace those made via the EU. This situation will only slow these down.

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I'd like to be doing half as well as Tony Blair is after being 'found out' :p:

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His busking income has gone downhill since Covid. ;)

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Controversially, he was not elected to chair the Intelligence Committee so there's some hope left.

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If only BoJo had listened to Margaret Thatcher a bit more:
https://twitter.com/damacan35/status...792331/photo/1

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Maybe he listened to bob dylan

Come gather 'round, people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin'
And you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'

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After yesterday's news, I think this is probably closer to the mark. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL8chWFuM-s

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Pretty sure Bob never signed (or threatened to break) International Law... ;)

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Pretty sure I aint bothered as long as it gets me (us) a better Brexit by redefining the subtle nuances currently in place.

It's a little like all those legal tactics a while ago trying to block leaving by questioning the 'wording' of terms . . . I'm sure you remember ;) :p:

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Why should any country do a deal with us when we have shown we are willing to break a treaty?

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No idea mate, I don't do negotiations. It does show we're not willing to accept a shitty now flawed part of a previous agreement though

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Since we're just quoting random people to make a point, here's another one for you all:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/09/3.jpg

Why would any country make a favourable deal with us when we prove we'll break the law to get out of it? Utterly weakens our position.

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Jo Public: What about the oven-ready Brexit deal? It's September and we're still faffing about fishing rights and fields of a level-playing variety.

BoJo Apologist: No, no, no! Don't be daft! The Brexit deal wasn't oven-ready, it was the Withdrawal Agreement which was oven-ready!

Jo Public: What kind of oven-ready Withdrawal Deal requires you to break international law?

BoJo apologist: Oops!

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Answer, one which isn’t followed up by a permanent treaty.

There is precedent for ‘treaty override’ in the U.K. and elsewhere. It happens from time to time. It should always be avoided if at all possible but sometimes it isn’t. Sometimes sovereign nation states have competing international obligations. Because they are sovereign, they are free to decide how to resolve that; sometimes that will involve breaching the terms of an international treaty.

“international law” is a term widely misused. There is no such thing as international law, there are only treaties. There is no criminal sanction for breaking “international law” because it isn’t criminal law, although this week the term is clearly being used by Remainers and opposition MPs mischievously to try to draw an equivalence.

Sometimes the consequences for breaching a treaty are spelled out within the treaty. Sometimes the consequences are hard to pin down - they may affect a country’s international standing or its ability to sign other treaties later on. The magnitude of the effect most likely matches the magnitude of the breach, and the country’s general international standing.

I suggest that in this case the actual consequences for the U.K., *if* these treaty-breaking clauses are ever activated, will be rather less than the fuss being made over them this week.