Cable Forum - Brexit

Again - That is not evidence, so I have not been contradicted thanks. I repeat, they are forecasts which have been and can be wrong!!!

If the weatherman forecasts it's going to rain on Wednesday but it does no such thing on the day, that is not evidence, it's a prediction just like your negative remainer fantasies of chaos are predictions.

You cannot cast forecasts as evidence, evidence is by definition something that has happened and witnessed to be fact-based. Predictions and opinions and forecasts are not and never will be evidence, so stop casting them as such and stop asking others for evidence when you don't present any.

Regardless of whether we call it modelling, evidence or analysis, it is reasonable for someone to back up their opinions with the available information. An argument supported by the UK Government's own analysis (which does include the upside for new trade deals btw) is more powerful than one without any information.

Sephiroth

23-06-2019 19:20

Re: Brexit

https://johnredwoodsdiary.com/

In the run up to our exit planned for 29 March 2019 the EU passed a number of measures to ensure continuity if the UK left without signing the Withdrawal Treaty. Measures included an aviation agreement to ensure the planes fly, a haulage agreement to allow road transport to continue, a rail agreement, “legal certainty for ship operators”, compensation for EU fishing businesses if they lose access to UK waters, continuity for students currently in the Erasmus programme, and more time for the Peace and Interreg programmes for Ireland and Northern Ireland.

In the update produced for the recent EU Council they also noted that rights of UK citizens currently legally settled in the rest of the EU will be protected. They are ensuring medicines and Reach approved chemicals can continue to be traded, and have increased customs capacity at UK facing ports and transport centres to handle any need to introduce tariffs.

This of course all goes largely unreported by the Remain facing UK media, who carry on with silly scare stories based on an imaginary exit with none of these agreements in place

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1andrew1

23-06-2019 19:33

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36000157)

https://johnredwoodsdiary.com

John's losing it, that was all reported at the time.

ianch99

23-06-2019 19:36

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36000157)

https://johnredwoodsdiary.com/

In the run up to our exit planned for 29 March 2019 the EU passed a number of measures to ensure continuity if the UK left without signing the Withdrawal Treaty. Measures included an aviation agreement to ensure the planes fly, a haulage agreement to allow road transport to continue, a rail agreement, “legal certainty for ship operators”, compensation for EU fishing businesses if they lose access to UK waters, continuity for students currently in the Erasmus programme, and more time for the Peace and Interreg programmes for Ireland and Northern Ireland.

In the update produced for the recent EU Council they also noted that rights of UK citizens currently legally settled in the rest of the EU will be protected. They are ensuring medicines and Reach approved chemicals can continue to be traded, and have increased customs capacity at UK facing ports and transport centres to handle any need to introduce tariffs.

This of course all goes largely unreported by the Remain facing UK media, who carry on with silly scare stories based on an imaginary exit with none of these agreements in place

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Define continuity? Yes, planes will fly but what will the changes in cost & delay be? Yes, road transport will continue but what will the costs & delays be and what paperwork will be needed?

This is lazy populist blogging. If these areas will not be impacted by No Deal, he would of course of provided the links to said measures to back up his claims. But he didn't ... says it all really.

Sephiroth

23-06-2019 19:48

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36000160)

John's losing it, that was all reported at the time.

You miss the point. The EU has done enough to ensure that there is no sudden crash.

Carth

23-06-2019 20:30

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36000162)

. . . .
This is lazy populist blogging. . .

Oh, I thought that was evidence earlier :wavey:

pip08456

23-06-2019 20:31

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36000168)

Oh, I thought that was evidence earlier :wavey:

It's only evidence when it suits the remain agenda.

ianch99

23-06-2019 21:08

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36000168)

Oh, I thought that was evidence earlier :wavey:

Guess you did not read the definition of evidence? Here it is again:

Quote:

evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I suppose he just forgot to include the facts and information part from his blog :dozey:

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36000165)

You miss the point. The EU has done enough to ensure that there is no sudden crash.

You can support this claim then? I am sure that John did not make any of this up so you can ask him to produce the supporting documentation that illustrates this.

I mean, the UK Government, the majority of Parliament, the CBI and countless other people seem to disagree with Mr Redwood. Obviously they are all wrong and there will be no adverse affects of No Deal .... or may be Mr Redword is telling tales (again)?

Sephiroth

23-06-2019 21:15

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36000170)

Guess you did not read the definition of evidence? Here it is again:

I suppose he just forgot to include the facts and information part from his blog :dozey:

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You can support this claim then? I am sure that John did not make any of this up so you can ask him to produce the supporting documentation that illustrates this.

I mean, the UK Government, the majority of Parliament, the CBI and countless other people seem to disagree with Mr Redwood. Obviously they are all wrong and there will be no adverse affects of No Deal .... or may be Mr Redword is telling tales (again)?

You should stop being so pompous and pedantic.

1andrew1

23-06-2019 21:21

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36000172)

You should stop being so pompous and pedantic.

John used to be a reputable politician but now he just seems to be trying to press populist buttons. For starters, all these benefits will start and end at the EU's discretion. We'll be more of a vassal state than if the ERG and chums had accepted the Withdrawal Agreement.

ianch99

23-06-2019 22:48

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36000172)

You should stop being so pompous and pedantic.

Step back and reassess things for a minute. You link a blog that claims all will be well. I point out that there is no evidence just claims and you say I am pompous and pedantic!!

You are blind to facts and reason. Get out of your Tory membership bubble and live in the real world for a while.

You claim something will happen? Fine but back it up with reasoning and evidence. If you cannot, it is just that, a claim ..

pip08456

23-06-2019 23:06

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36000181)

I'm surprised Hugh hasn't done his usual Google search.:D

Quote:

The French Parliament passed a law in January enabling the Government to decree laws covering the rights of UK nationals living and working in France, the continuity of services including finance and transport, and preparation of customs controls. The Spanish Government is preparing a “Royal Decree-law” for February to take similar actions too...

...The EU has also put in place a series of temporary measures to manage some of the immediate impacts of no deal. These would have covered basic arrangements for flights, financial services and road hauliers but the European Commission reiterated that these would not replicate the conditions of EU membership. The Commission has also stated that it will be “required to immediately apply its rules and tariffs at its borders”, though it is not clear how these will apply at the Irish border. Many of the measures were based on the assumption that a no deal exit would take place at the end of March 2019. On 12 June 2019, the European Commission announced that these temporary measures would still be valid if the UK decided to leave the EU on 31 October with no deal, but that there would be no additional measures. It added that some measures, particularly those pertaining to the EU’s sanitary and phytosanitary rules, would only come into force on 1 November 2019 if the UK Government can guarantee that it will continue to respect these rules once it has left the EU. It has urged member state governments and businesses to continue with their contingency planning.

Link

papa smurf

24-06-2019 08:16

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36000181)

Step back and reassess things for a minute. You link a blog that claims all will be well. I point out that there is no evidence just claims and you say I am pompous and pedantic!!

You are blind to facts and reason. Get out of your Tory membership bubble and live in the real world for a while.

You claim something will happen? Fine but back it up with reasoning and evidence. If you cannot, it is just that, a claim ..

He missed out persistently;)

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36000185)

I'm surprised Hugh hasn't done his usual Google search.:D

Link

I think he uses hughoo :)

1andrew1

24-06-2019 09:21

Re: Brexit

Irish border issue could be solved in three years

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Alternative arrangements for keeping the Irish border open in the event of a no-deal Brexit or the collapse of future trade talks with the EU could be up and running within three years, a report concludes.
The interim report by a non-government organisation calling itself the Alternative Arrangements Commission will be unveiled at a special conference on the Irish border in London on Monday.
Their conclusions suggest that the UK would only need the Irish border backstop contained in the withdrawal agreement until 2022, if work on such arrangements started today.
Backed by remain-voting Conservative party MPs Nicky Morgan and Greg Hands, the report makes eight interim recommendations following consultation with business, politicians and economic experts, including commercial interests in Northern Ireland.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...it-says-report

Hugh	24-06-2019 09:22

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36000185)

I'm surprised Hugh hasn't done his usual Google search.:D

Link

Always amuses me when people denigrate research and fact-finding, as if it is a negative thing - having been an Intelligence Analyst for 6 years in a previous career, I was taught to not just research, analyse, collate, and present information, but also to look at the source of the material for validity; the truth is out there, it just needs to be found and verified.

Too busy eating Gelato in Rome to google... :D

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