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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049104)

Exactly what I thought until today's surprise resignation. You don't resign over a tidying-up exercise.

As reported by Guido, he’s the sixth this year. We’re some way beyond the point where senior establishment remainers throwing in the towel can be called a surprise. They’re shipping out as and when they finally realise that good old fashioned civil service obstructionism can’t help them water down Brexit. It’s obvious from the EU’s continued intransigence that close association and dynamic alignment or, in the event of no deal, a continuing say in our affairs based on some obscure wording in the WA is their end game. I’d be astonished if lawyers working within the civil service and familiar with the WA text aren’t fully aware of this. He’s been rumbled, he’s walked, game over.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049104)

Exactly what I thought until today's surprise resignation. You don't resign over a tidying-up exercise.

So what have the Joint committee agreed about the NI arrangements? If nothing has been agreed, then there is no alternative but to impose something. If you like, a sort of "backstop" in case no further agreement is made. The committee last met in mid July.

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Article 4
Customs territory of the United Kingdom
Northern Ireland is part of the customs territory of the United Kingdom.

Therefore under international WTO rules it can't have different customs tariffs and rules. Otherwise it would constitute a different(ie non UK) customs territory.
WTO Rules

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2. For the purposes of this Agreement a customs territory shall be understood to mean any territory with respect to which separate tariffs or other regulations of commerce are maintained for a substantial part of the trade of such territory with other territories.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36049106)

Yea sounds like he made a right balls up of the agreement or he wrote it to favour the EU.:shocked:

Enough of a balls-up to be knighted for his efforts. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36049109)

Remainers are resigning over Brexit all the time, Andrew.

Leavers too, no doubt.

Do we actually know he's a Remainer?

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049115)

Enough of a balls-up to be knighted for his efforts. :rolleyes:

the upper crust always get knighthoods for failure.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36049098)

So he got us the crap agreement,no wonder he's jumped ship now it's under review.

Boris Johnson liked the agreement - https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...9-october-2019

Closet remainer - get him!

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So did 329 other MPs, get them too!

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36049120)

Boris Johnson liked the agreement - https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...9-october-2019

Closet remainer - get him!

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So did 329 other MPs, get them too!

It's usually just the biggest idiots,i'm surprised chris Grayling hasn't been elevated to godhood.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36049113)

I'm surprised to see you participating so willingly in a government damage limitation exercise. This is a lawful v unlawful question, not a Remainer v Leaver debate.

Some useful thoughts from David Allen Green, a former UK government legal service lawyer.

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The resignation of Jonathan Jones as head of the UK government legal service, announced on Tuesday, has huge significance. It is at least as important as the similar resignation in 2003 of Elizabeth Wilmshurst, then a senior Foreign Office lawyer, over the legality of the Iraq invasion. In both cases, the resignation was not over the merits of a policy decision, but on the apparent willingness of the government at ministerial level to act unlawfully...

The service is indifferent to the merits of any particular policy. Indeed, many government lawyers, like others in public service, may dislike the policies with which they are dealing. This distaste, however, does not prevent their work. ..

This is not a mere difference of interpretation of the relevant law, where reasonable people can disagree. Instead, Sir Jonathan must believe the proposal must be so far outside the scope of valid legal interpretations that there can be no doubt of its unlawfulness. As Northern Ireland secretary Brandon Lewis told the House of Commons on Tuesday, the government is explicitly proposing to break international law, albeit in a “specific and limited” way.

https://www.ft.com/content/6c3a641f-...e-16ede1656d20

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049127)

Is this the same David Allen Green who has been a guest on the Remainiacs podcast several times in 2019

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

What other choice is there? You can't wait forever for the Joint committee to come to an agreement, but at the same time something needs to be in place by the end of this year. That is BECAUSE of the NI Protocol, not in spite of it. That something was meant to be an EU trade deal.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36049130)

.... which the EU seem hell bent on avoiding.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

Personally I don't see what the fuss is about :shrug:

Some big wig high cost lawyer chappy resigns because something has upset him . . . wow . . . get a grip, stop being led by the media frenzy :rolleyes:

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

Non-legally binding referrendum: WE MUST ACCEPT THE RESULT AT ALL COSTS

Legally-binding agreement: Eh, no big deal.

The duplicity continues :shrug:

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

We're breaking the law. Boris is responsible, lock him up ! :)

No country will take us seriously for any trade deal. Our word means nothing.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36049166)

We're breaking the law. Boris is responsible, lock him up ! :)

No country will take us seriously for any trade deal. Our word means nothing.

Lighten up, or go watch a black and white movie......:D

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 36049163)

Non-legally binding referrendum: WE MUST ACCEPT THE RESULT AT ALL COSTS

Legally-binding agreement: Eh, no big deal.

The duplicity continues :shrug:

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