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Claims of violence if the "peace process" isn't followed is breaking international law. There can be no "consent freely given" whilst there are threats. The backstop itself breaks the EU treaties, as any Transitional Agreement has to be temporary, not ongoing.

Not sure what you're on about but if a government minister concedes it breaks international law, I can't see any motivation for them to lie about it.

OLD BOY

08-09-2020 14:51

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049069)

Integrity may be just another unfashionable British value to some in government but it's not to Jonathan Jones. I suggest you join me and get behind this great country of ours by applauding his true upholding of British values.

Subjugation by other countries is certainly not one of them.

1andrew1

08-09-2020 14:52

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36049089)

They should invite him back now that's it's hotting up.

I think he is in talks with North Norfolk Digital. :D

Hugh	08-09-2020 14:53

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36049046)

If your lawyer is working for the other side,it's best to get rid.

None paywall version https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-over-22647171

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Sir Jonathan, who is a QC, was knighted in December 2019 for his legal services to the government. The honour recognised his work on constitutional issues and the EU Withdrawal Agreement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54072347

He was knighted by the current PM for his work on the WA - doesn’t sound like "working for the "other side*""...

*unless, of course, the "other side" is believing in not breaking International Law ;)

OLD BOY

08-09-2020 14:55

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049072)

Order Order. From the mouth of Dominic Cummings. Sigh.

What if it is? It's the content that matters.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049076)

Not really such a bizarre comment of mine when the context was a response to Seph.
Civil servants pride themselves on being apolitical and have worked hard to deliver Brexit, regardlessof their feelings one way or the other. Those I've met have actually been largely pro Brexit due to the career opportunities it's opened up.
Slurring a senior civil servant as a Remainer because he takes a stand on being asked to undermine or potentially break an international treaty is lazy, desperate or probably both.
Let's see how this plays out. It's not a good omen.

Civil Servants used to be independent, but these days, too many of them don't know the meaning of the word. That's precisely why we are seeing the start of a clearout. Long overdue, too.

nomadking

08-09-2020 15:00

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049090)

Not sure what you're on about but if a government minister concedes it breaks international law, I can't see any motivation for them to lie about it.

What exactly is meant to be breaking international law?
Everybody is a bit short on specifics.
The old backstop provisions had that it remained in place unless and until the EU agreed to otherwise. A similar situation arises with the new agreement. If the EU side of the Joint committee don't agree on anything, then everything is blocked.

papa smurf

08-09-2020 15:12

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36049093)

So he got us the crap agreement,no wonder he's jumped ship now it's under review.

OLD BOY

08-09-2020 15:23

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36049096)

I think you are on the right lines, nomadking. If we ignored the treaty or did not abide by it there would be a case to answer, because the treaty remains in effect after the Withdrawal Agreement ends regardless of the outcome of negotiations.

We haven't seen the detail yet, but it seems that all they are doing is tying up some loose ends.

1andrew1

08-09-2020 15:28

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36049103)

We haven't seen the detail yet, but it seems that all they are doing is tying up some loose ends.

Exactly what I thought until today's surprise resignation. You don't resign over a tidying-up exercise.

papa smurf

08-09-2020 15:31

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049104)