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Mr K 29-05-2020 20:33
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36037663)
There is plenty of balance in this forum, Mr K & Jfman are equal to 10x me
Oh come on, 7x maybe ;)

papa smurf 29-05-2020 21:34
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36037683)
Oh come on, 7x maybe ;)
Like two yapping dogs is more like it;)

1andrew1 29-05-2020 22:04
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36037677)
Tax rises and getting rid of the triple lock are two suggestions by some.
There's an article here in the Daily Express that suggests that the triple lock will be retained, on the basis that Boris Johnson has confirmed he intends to meet all his manifesto commitments.

Of course, the Express does sometimes make mistakes.
11 March 2020 A study has not claimed the new coronavirus was ‘genetically engineered for efficient spread in humans’
https://fullfact.org/health/new-coro...ly-engineered/
22 May 2020 Daily Express diabetes and coronavirus deaths headline is misleading
https://fullfact.org/health/diabetes...eaths-england/
24 May 2020 Claim that 7.7% of UK goods exports go to the EU is a big underestimate
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-goods-exports-gdp/

Mr K 29-05-2020 22:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
Not following 'the science' any longer?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...sks-reopening/

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. Disagreements between scientific advisors and the Government have been laid bare as it emerged that experts warned against the opening of non-essential shops, and schools.

A new tranche of papers released by the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) showed that scientists advised ministers that shops could push the R number above 1.

High-street retailers including fashion, homeware and toy shops have been given the green light to open from June 15, as long as they take precautions to ensure social distancing.

But a newly released document from the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (SPI-M) group warns: “There is limited evidence on the effect of closing of non-essential retail, libraries, bars, restaurants, etc, but it is likely that R would return to above 1 and a subsequent exponential growth in cases.”

The estimate was based on a reproduction number of 0.6, but current Government estimates suggest the R rate is in fact now slightly higher, at between 0.7 and 0.9.

At a briefing on Friday, members of SPI-M also suggested that it was currently risky to ease lockdown when the number of infections in the community is still so high and suggested it was a political not scientific decision to lift some restrictions.

Figures published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) this week suggests there are around 8,000 new infections each day in England and Wales.

Pierre 30-05-2020 09:30
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36037707)
Not following 'the science' any longer?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...sks-reopening/
They’re rolling the dice, but they have to.

jfman 30-05-2020 09:41
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36037719)
They’re rolling the dice, but they have to.
They don't have to.

It's a political choice to do so rather than wait a few more weeks until the numbers are more under control and test, trace, isolate is fully up and running.

Once again Britain is going against internationally recognised best practice on this. When people die - and if there's a deadly second wave - it's as you say because they rolled the dice. They left it to pure luck.

Carth 30-05-2020 10:01
Re: Coronavirus
 
Personally, I think they've been forced to bring their 'easing' plan forward a couple of weeks due to the Cummings fiasco (and similar).

Whether Cummings did right or wrong is of little consequence, the fact is a lot of people were quite . . angry . . at what occurred (helped along by the media), and were probably close to stepping over the 'lock down' line in protest.

Once that rock ever started rolling downhill you'd have little chance of stopping it :shocked:

papa smurf 30-05-2020 10:18
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36037724)
Personally, I think they've been forced to bring their 'easing' plan forward a couple of weeks due to the Cummings fiasco (and similar).

Whether Cummings did right or wrong is of little consequence, the fact is a lot of people were quite . . angry . . at what occurred (helped along by the media), and were probably close to stepping over the 'lock down' line in protest.

Once that rock ever started rolling downhill you'd have little chance of stopping it :shocked:
It's been widely ignored since the get go around here,and we have one of the lowest infection rates, meeting up with 6 people will be a bit of a blow when people have been gathering in larger numbers for weeks.
I Should also add the police have kept their distance and pretty much ignored the whole debacle.

Sephiroth 30-05-2020 10:27
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36037725)
It's been widely ignored since the get go around here,and we have one of the lowest infection rates, meeting up with 6 people will be a bit of a blow when people have been gathering in larger numbers for weeks.
There are several ways of looking at this. If the slow decline of R is partially due public practice, then guidance adjusted for this might not lead to greater risk.

On the other hand, Professor David King said on Channel 4 News yesterday that if the current death rate 0f c. 300/day was the starting point, we'd be in severe lockdown. But, of course, that would have been when R was 3 or higher.

Hugh 30-05-2020 12:04
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36037725)
It's been widely ignored since the get go around here,and we have one of the lowest infection rates, meeting up with 6 people will be a bit of a blow when people have been gathering in larger numbers for weeks.
I Should also add the police have kept their distance and pretty much ignored the whole debacle.
The comment in the article doesn't match the statistics.

https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2020/05/...19-infections/
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Lincolnshire bosses tackling coronavirus have placed Lincolnshire between 0.7-1 on the government’s R infection rate.

Deputy chairman of the Lincolnshire Resilience Forum told BBC Radio Lincolnshire: “It’s at the lower end of that scale. We are below the national average”.

The national figure also sits between 0.7-0.9.

papa smurf 30-05-2020 12:10
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36037733)
The comment in the article doesn't match the statistics.

https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2020/05/...19-infections/
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Lincolnshire bosses tackling coronavirus have placed Lincolnshire between 0.7-1 on the government’s R infection rate.

Deputy chairman of the Lincolnshire Resilience Forum told BBC Radio Lincolnshire: “It’s at the lower end of that scale. We are below the national average”.

The national figure also sits between 0.7-0.9.
NE lincolnshire is where i am referring to not Lincolnshire as a whole.

The Scunthorpe area has had a much higher infection rate than Grimsby throughout the pandemic.

North Lincolnshire now has 510 confirmed cases - up nine in the last 24 hours and an infection rate of 296.5 per 100,000 of the population.

North East Lincolnshire continues to have one of the lowest infection rates in the country at 95.7 per 100,000 and 153 cases - up three.

Mr K 30-05-2020 13:05
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36037734)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36037733)
The comment in the article doesn't match the statistics.

https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2020/05/...19-infections/
NE lincolnshire is where i am referring to not Lincolnshire as a whole.

The Scunthorpe area has had a much higher infection rate than Grimsby throughout the pandemic.

North Lincolnshire now has 510 confirmed cases - up nine in the last 24 hours and an infection rate of 296.5 per 100,000 of the population.

North East Lincolnshire continues to have one of the lowest infection rates in the country at 95.7 per 100,000 and 153 cases - up three.
No one wants to go to Cleethorpes/Grimsby which has worked in your favour ;)

papa smurf 30-05-2020 13:58
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36037735)

No one wants to go to Cleethorpes/Grimsby which has worked in your favour ;)
It's me isn't it :bigcry:

Sephiroth 30-05-2020 14:03
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36037739)

It's me isn't :bigcry:
Mr K said "nobody". It's him and he'll see you there!

Hugh 30-05-2020 15:05
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36037739)

It's me isn't it :bigcry:
Probably not - there’s probably a genetic factor involved, and since most people in that area are related, that may be the reason for the resistance to infection... ;)


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