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The text of the bill has yet to be published, so we cannot say for definite what will be included in its wording.
But Downing Street said one thing it would do is allow ministers to unilaterally decide what particular goods were "at risk" of entering the EU when passing between Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and therefore subject to EU tariffs.
The law would also give ministers the powers to scrap export declarations on goods moving from Northern Ireland to Great Britain and would make it clear that EU state aid requirements - where governments give financial support to homegrown businesses - would only apply in Northern Ireland.
But the government insists the bill only introduces "limited and reasonable steps" to "remove ambiguity" - not "overriding" the withdrawal agreement, as government sources had suggested on Sunday.

Sephiroth

08-09-2020 11:27

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049049)

Wow! That's a damning inditement of the current government isn't it?

Trust you to make that your primary reaction. Have you properly analysed what the Guvmin is intending and the contingency that makes this necessary?

How about getting behind this country and help with your attitude in making Brexit a success?

1andrew1

08-09-2020 12:30

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papa smurf

08-09-2020 12:42

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36049053)

Trust you to make that your primary reaction. Have you properly analysed what the Guvmin is intending and the contingency that makes this necessary?

How about getting behind this country and help with your attitude in making Brexit a success?

Probably get 1 million to 1 odds on that happening at the bookies;)

1andrew1

08-09-2020 12:55

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36049053)

Integrity may be just another unfashionable British value to some in government but it's not to Jonathan Jones. I suggest you join me and get behind this great country of ours by applauding his true upholding of British values.

Chris

08-09-2020 13:03

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049069)

Seeing as you're willing to spin this so shamelessly, allow me to present a view from the opposite extreme:

https://order-order.com/2020/09/08/c...aier-clearout/

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Jonathan Jones, head of the Government Legal Department, has become the sixth senior Whitehall official to depart this year. The FT is reporting that Jones’s departure is over the Government’s hardline Brexit stance. Attempting to get answers, one Government source simply tells Guido “he’s a remainer”. He wasn’t the first and won’t be the last…

nomadking

08-09-2020 13:03

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049069)

Who says integrity has anything to do with it?
Certain things in relation to NI have to be specified and set down before the end of the transition period. Eg Which goods from GB into NI are to be liable for customs duties. No getting away from that. That is in the revised NI protocol.
Little point in legislating the detail of the "backstop", until it's become unavoidable.

1andrew1

08-09-2020 13:13

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36049070)

Seeing as you're willing to spin this so shamelessly, allow me to present a view from the opposite extreme:

https://order-order.com/2020/09/08/c...aier-clearout/

Order Order. From the mouth of Dominic Cummings. Sigh.

Chris

08-09-2020 13:18

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36049072)

Order Order. Your sources are not normally this weak. Sigh.

That would be an ad hominem attack on the source of the report rather than on its content ;)

Aside from the fact that I did place the quote at the opposite extreme to your bizarre attempt to paint Jones’ resignation as a great act of patriotism, what do you say to the claim that Guido’s source in government suggests that Jones is actually just another arch remainer in the upper echelons of the civil service that has finally realised the game is up?

papa smurf

08-09-2020 13:40

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36049073)

That would be an ad hominem attack on the source of the report rather than on its content ;)

Aside from the fact that I did place the quote at the opposite extreme to your bizarre attempt to paint Jones’ resignation as a great act of patriotism, what do you say to the claim that Guido’s source in government suggests that Jones is actually just another arch remainer in the upper echelons of the civil service that has finally realised the game is up?

something containing the words door arse way out:)

1andrew1

08-09-2020 13:42

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36049073)

Not really such a bizarre comment of mine when the context was a response to Seph.
Civil servants pride themselves on being apolitical and have worked hard to deliver Brexit, regardlessof their feelings one way or the other. Those I've met have actually been largely pro Brexit due to the career opportunities it's opened up.
Slurring a senior civil servant as a Remainer because he takes a stand on being asked to undermine or potentially break an international treaty is lazy, desperate or probably both.
Let's see how this plays out. It's not a good omen.

nomadking

08-09-2020 13:51

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A remainer endorsing him, doesn't exactly contradict things.:rolleyes:
Link

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In response to Sir Jonathan's resignation, the shadow attorney general, Lord Falconer, said he was "an impressive lawyer and a loyal civil servant".
"If he can't stay in public service, there must be something very rotten about this government. This resignation indicates that senior government lawyers think that the government is about to break the law."

How else is the Government meant to legislate on this?

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Before the end of the transition period, the Joint Committee shall by decision establish the conditions under which processing is to be considered not to fall within point (a) of the first subparagraph, taking into account in particular the nature, scale and result of the processing.
Before the end of the transition period, the Joint Committee shall by decision establish the criteria for considering that a good brought into Northern Ireland from outside the Union is not at risk of subsequently being moved into the Union. The Joint Committee shall take into consideration, inter alia:

With no alternative trade deal on the horizon, that has to now be legislated for.

Hugh	08-09-2020 14:08

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54073836

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Northern Ireland Secretary admits new bill will 'break international law'

A government minister has said a new bill to amend the UK's Brexit deal with the EU will "break international law".

Concerns had been raised about legislation being brought forward which could change parts of the withdrawal agreement, negotiated last year.

Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis conceded it would go against the treaty in a "specific and limited way".

1andrew1

08-09-2020 14:12

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36049079)

A remainer endorsing him, doesn't exactly contradict things.:rolleyes:
Link

How else is the Government meant to legislate on this?

With no alternative trade deal on the horizon, that has to now be legislated for.

You would expect the opposition to put the boot in and it has.
I had previously thought this legislation was just a tidying up exercise to cover no-deal and had not commented at tbe time. This landmark resignation potentially casts a dark cloud over this.

nomadking

08-09-2020 14:13

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Claims of violence if the "peace process" isn't followed is breaking international law. There can be no "consent freely given" whilst there are threats. The backstop itself breaks the EU treaties, as any Transitional Agreement has to be temporary, not ongoing.

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