Cable Forum - Will Scotland Leave the UK?

It's good to know the English would rather see Scottish political discourse stuck for 40 years rather than focusing on schools, the economy, health and moving forward inside or outside the UK.

Tell me when the SNP cared about the bits underlined?

I remember Andrew Neil's question to Nicola Sturgeon, around the time there was a scare about President Trump apparently taking an interest in our NHS and how they would do their upmost to stop the former president from getting his hands on it, but Andrew Neil rhymed off a list of issues with the NHS in Scotland, and asked wee Nicola if it shouldn't be Donald Trump that the NHS needs protecting from but the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon...

There is always a video... :D

Pierre

24-01-2021 21:34

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36067920)

The SNP progress their manifesto and stand for election just like any other party. It would be the UK Government blocking such progress for an entirely arbitrary reason, in your provocative proposal until an entirely arbitrary date, not the SNP.

I’m loving your use of “arbitrary” across several threads........have you just found out what it means?

jfman

24-01-2021 21:37

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067922)

Yet where are the opposition to capitalise on this? The SNP are on course to absolutely rinse them in May by a margin that makes leaving the EU and Biden's emphatic win over Trump look tiny.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36067924)

I’m loving your use of “arbitrary” across several threads........have you just found out what it means?

No, it's just a common thread for the evening that people are making arguments without fully thinking them through which makes it easy to throw "arbitrary" around.

Mick	24-01-2021 21:43

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36067925)

Yet where are the opposition to capitalise on this? The SNP are on course to absolutely rinse them in May by a margin that makes leaving the EU and Biden's emphatic win over Trump look tiny.

In the grand scheme of things, they could win a million seats, they still couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, they're fecking horrible, all they give a toss about is separation that leads to nowhere but ruin.

Mr K	24-01-2021 21:59

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This is not a Brexit topic. Move on.

1andrew1

25-01-2021 00:00

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36067931)

Stephen Glover accepts the downside of economic arguments:

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That said, I would caution against making too much of the economic arguments.

Didn’t Brexit teach us that many people voted to leave the EU even though they feared it might make them poorer? People’s hearts can sometimes count more than their wallets.

His recommendation seems to be to accept a referendum but to delay it until Boris - hugely unpopular in Scotland - is no longer PM and the issues with Brexit are no longer making headlines. This way, the referendum is less likely to go in favour of devolution. But not to delay it until 2055 which he sees as too far off.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...k-genteel.html

Hom3r

25-01-2021 10:59

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My late grandad was born in Glasgow (Gorbals), but grew up in Edinburgh.

He fought in WWII to defend the UK and not Scotland, he would be spinning in his grave at how the SNP are attempting to destroy the Union and bankrupt Scotland.

I would like to know how the SNP will fund all of Scotland needs with 5.46 million people, bearing in mind roughly 1/2 of these will not be taxpayers. (bearing in mind London has a population of 9.3 million).

They would lose their free prescriptions to start, would they be allowed to keep and use Stirling, I guess the Army they would have to pay for, and we should protect the waters around the island.

But what about the border, Scotland would be in neither the UK nor EU, so would need some kind of ID to enter the UK to access the ports to Europe in the South.

1andrew1

25-01-2021 11:13

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36067990)

I expect the SNP will follow the Vote Leave playbook. Don't focus on likely practicalities as that doesn't win votes. Instead, focus on the higher level emotional issues of sovereignty.

papa smurf

25-01-2021 11:15

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I think Sturgeon should be arrested shot then given a fair trial in England.

Hom3r

25-01-2021 13:20

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Knowing my grandad, tarred and feathered more like

Mad Max

25-01-2021 16:49

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36067990)

My late grandad was born in Glasgow (Gorbals), but grew up in Edinburgh.

He fought in WWII to defend the UK and not Scotland, he would be spinning in his grave at how the SNP are attempting to destroy the Union and bankrupt Scotland.

I would like to know how the SNP will fund all of Scotland needs with 5.46 million people, bearing in mind roughly 1/2 of these will not be taxpayers. (bearing in mind London has a population of 9.3 million).

They would lose their free prescriptions to start, would they be allowed to keep and use Stirling, I guess the Army they would have to pay for, and we should protect the waters around the island.

But what about the border, Scotland would be in neither the UK nor EU, so would need some kind of ID to enter the UK to access the ports to Europe in the South.

Well I would hope so, as it is in Scotland after all....;)

1andrew1

25-01-2021 16:54

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36068116)

Well I would hope so, as it is in Scotland after all....;)

:D:D:D

As I think Damien mentioned last year - in the event of devolution, England/Wales will be retaining Edinburgh though. :D

Hugh	25-01-2021 17:08

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36068117)

:D:D:D

As I think Damien mentioned last year - in the event of devolution, England/Wales will be retaining Edinburgh though. :D

Glasgow would insist on it... :D

Mad Max

25-01-2021 17:13

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36068118)

Glasgow would insist on it... :D

:tu:

1andrew1

25-01-2021 17:57

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The logical conclusion to this article seems to be that Boris needs to step down to try and help ensure Scotland does not leave the UK.

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Scotland is heading towards independence from the UK thanks to Boris Johnson and Brexit

Scotland is heading towards independence from the UK. That's the inevitable conclusion to be drawn from the latest opinion polls which show a surge in support for Scottish nationalism.

The polls, which now show a consistent lead for independence, have followed a bleak year for the United Kingdom in which it has suffered one of the highest coronavirus death tolls and worst recessions of any country in the world.
It has also coincided with Britain's exit from the European Union, which a clear majority of Scots voted against.

The combination of anger at Brexit, distrust of Boris Johnson (who has a long record of offending Scots) and the UK government's shambolic handling of the coronavirus pandemic have all conspired to create the perfect environment for the independence movement.

With Scottish fisherman reporting severe problems due to Brexit and wider trade with the EU under serious strain due to new restrictions created by Brexit, the fate of the Union has never looked so poor.

https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...21-1?r=US&IR=T

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