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Huxie 18-10-2023 14:28
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36162240)
There’s another option to be considered here also, apologies if it’s already been expressed

It was indeed a Hamas rocket that caused the damage, just not necessarily fired by Hamas rather fired by the iDF

Neither side are exactly bastions of the truth
To what end?

mrmistoffelees 18-10-2023 14:53
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by Huxie (Post 36162242)
To what end?
To further enhance the ‘Hamas couldn’t give a toss about the average Palestinian’
Narrative (which btw I’m not saying is untrue) look to potentially try and start an uprising against Hamas and overthrow them?

The propaganda war is just as important to both sides as the physical conflict.

ianch99 18-10-2023 16:18
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36162240)
There’s another option to be considered here also, apologies if it’s already been expressed

It was indeed a Hamas rocket that caused the damage, just not necessarily fired by Hamas rather fired by the iDF

Neither side are exactly bastions of the truth
I think this is not likely and more, it invites us to disappear into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.

It looks more likely that a heavier missile was fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad and either was intercepted over the hospital area or just failed in flight and landed on the hospital. I guess more details will come out in time. However, this does not absolve Israel of culpability: these 1000's of people would not have been in that hospital if the IDF was not bombing their homes.

As an aside, what is clear is that Twitter is more than useless in communicating breaking news in an objective sense. So many people posting with so many interpretations of what is happening. It used to be far more authoritative, now it is just Musk's clown show.

mrmistoffelees 18-10-2023 16:27
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36162246)
I think this is not likely and more, it invites us to disappear into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.

It looks more likely that a heavier missile was fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad and either was intercepted over the hospital area or just failed in flight and landed on the hospital. I guess more details will come out in time. However, this does not absolve Israel of culpability: these 1000's of people would not have been in that hospital if the IDF was not bombing their homes.

As an aside, what is clear is that Twitter is more than useless in communicating breaking news in an objective sense. So many people posting with so many interpretations of what is happening. It used to be far more authoritative, now it is just Musk's clown show.
Once you eliminate the impossible…..

It’s a tactic that’s been used in multiple conflicts before…. So therefore it remains unfortunately a possibility.

Pierre 18-10-2023 16:47
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36162246)
I think this is not likely and more, it invites us to disappear into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.
Agreed

Quote:
It looks more likely that a heavier missile was fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad and either was intercepted over the hospital area or just failed in flight and landed on the hospital. I guess more details will come out in time. However, this does not absolve Israel of culpability: these 1000's of people would not have been in that hospital if the IDF was not bombing their homes.
Of course, Hamas launch an unprovoked attack, targeting and massacring civilians, that starts this current conflict and Israel’s retaliation.

A rocket is fired from within Gaza malfunctions and blows up in Gaza, and Israel is culpable, that’s some impressive moralistic gymnastics you’re performing there. 9.9. 9.9 9.9 Bravo.

Chris 18-10-2023 16:48
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36162247)
Once you eliminate the impossible…..

It’s a tactic that’s been used in multiple conflicts before…. So therefore it remains unfortunately a possibility.
It’s an error of investigative technique to persist in giving equal weight to different hypotheses regardless of their plausibility. As things stand, insisting that explanation remains on the table doesn’t clarify anything and only serves to muddy the waters. Which, no doubt, is exactly what some of Hamas’ most fervent cheerleaders want. Don’t think for a moment that their super-rapid claim of Israeli culpability last night was grounded in any sort of evidence or investigation. They will have had no idea who fired the missile, nor will they have cared. All that mattered was to make it into a PR win.

ianch99 18-10-2023 18:41
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36162248)
Of course, Hamas launch an unprovoked attack, targeting and massacring civilians, that starts this current conflict and Israel’s retaliation.

A rocket is fired from within Gaza malfunctions and blows up in Gaza, and Israel is culpable, that’s some impressive moralistic gymnastics you’re performing there. 9.9. 9.9 9.9 Bravo.
The hundreds of civilians were only there because of IDF bombing their homes. I understand this is a complex situation that some can find hard to grasp but actions do have consequences.

Pierre 18-10-2023 19:11
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36162252)
The hundreds of civilians were only there because of IDF bombing their homes. I understand this is a complex situation that some can find hard to grasp but actions do have consequences.
The hundreds of civilians were only there because Hamas attacked Israel. I understand this is a complex situation that some can find hard to grasp but actions do have consequences.

ianch99 18-10-2023 19:14
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36162255)
The hundreds of civilians were only there because Hamas attacked Israel. I understand this is a complex situation that some can find hard to grasp but actions do have consequences.
Incorrect

Pierre 18-10-2023 19:33
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36162256)
Incorrect
No, it’s correct.

Sephiroth 18-10-2023 21:08
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36162240)
There’s another option to be considered here also, apologies if it’s already been expressed

It was indeed a Hamas rocket that caused the damage, just not necessarily fired by Hamas rather fired by the iDF

Neither side are exactly bastions of the truth
Why on earth would we want to consider that flight of fancy?
You must have a serious grudge against Israel.

I hope you think of Hamas as murdering ****.

Chris 18-10-2023 22:47
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36162262)
Why on earth would we want to consider that flight of fancy?
You must have a serious grudge against Israel.

I hope you think of Hamas as murdering ****.
That ‘theory’ is popular in certain corners of the Tw*ttersphere, amongst the usual suspects who are so invested in the narrative that Israel must have done this that they can’t deal with any evidence to the contrary in any way other than to make it fit the narrative.

That is, apart from those who are just ignoring any evidence from the blast site at all, for example this breathtaking piece of journalism from Al Jazeera, which lives in a universe where ‘Israel attacked the hospital’ is simply a given:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...ospital-strike

TheDaddy 19-10-2023 01:33
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36162263)
That ‘theory’ is popular in certain corners of the Tw*ttersphere, amongst the usual suspects who are so invested in the narrative that Israel must have done this that they can’t deal with any evidence to the contrary in any way other than to make it fit the narrative.

That is, apart from those who are just ignoring any evidence from the blast site at all, for example this breathtaking piece of journalism from Al Jazeera, which lives in a universe where ‘Israel attacked the hospital’ is simply a given:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...ospital-strike
How many hospitals have been attacked since the start of this war, one of the reasons nothing definitive can be concluded now is because this one was damaged in a previous strike

Paul 19-10-2023 01:56
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36162256)
Incorrect
How so ?

1andrew1 19-10-2023 03:01
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Egypt to allow 20 aid trucks into Gaza.
https://news.sky.com/story/israel-ha...#liveblog-body


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