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1andrew1 21-12-2022 14:03
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142359)
It sounds like the requests all these tech companies get. If it's for personal information or messages then it needs to be signed by a judge IIRC.

They all publish info about this yearly: https://transparency.twitter.com/en/...l#2021-jul-dec
It looks like a nothing story.

Mick 21-12-2022 15:42
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142359)
It sounds like the requests all these tech companies get. If it's for personal information or messages then it needs to be signed by a judge IIRC.

They all publish info about this yearly: https://transparency.twitter.com/en/...l#2021-jul-dec
No judge would ever risk signing.

The FBI or CIA or any other U.S government agency, requesting the removal of a lawful communication by a U.S citizen, would be in potential breach of 1st Amendment rights under the Constitution.

So any Judge signing a court order to remove anything on Twitter at the request of the FBI/CIA, would be acting unconstitutionally and could be sued.

Twitter can remove anything if wants as it’s not a governmental entity, but Twitter removing stuff, in concert with a government agency, this is violation of 1st Amendment rights, so long as the communication is lawful.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36142360)
It looks like a nothing story.
Because it’s not your rights being violated, but Constitutional rights in the U.S are sacrosanct. A U.S citizen, has the most freedoms in the world when it comes to speech.

Damien 21-12-2022 16:20
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142363)
No judge would ever risk signing.

The FBI or CIA or any other U.S government agency, requesting the removal of a lawful communication by a U.S citizen, would be in potential breach of 1st Amendment rights under the Constitution.

So any Judge signing a court order to remove anything on Twitter at the request of the FBI/CIA, would be acting unconstitutionally and could be sued.

Twitter can remove anything if wants as it’s not a governmental entity, but Twitter removing stuff, in concert with a government agency, this is violation of 1st Amendment rights, so long as the communication is lawful.
But the FBI compensation we were discussing, was that for taking down tweets or responding to legal requests for information? The latter is normal when the FBI (or our police) are investigating crimes.

The article is very smoke and mirrors and not setting out the specific allegation. They’re saying the FBI paid Twitter and the program they reference is a standard compensation scheme for the time taking to respond to legal requests.

Mick 21-12-2022 17:35
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You’re missing the point. No government agency can request removal of protected speech, regardless of any recompense, it’s still unconstitutional, 1st Amendment is explicit, no government can hinder lawful speech, nor can it create any law that does same. There is no way around it.

Chris 21-12-2022 21:51
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142368)
You’re missing the point. No government agency can request removal of protected speech, regardless of any recompense, it’s still unconstitutional, 1st Amendment is explicit, no government can hinder lawful speech, nor can it create any law that does same. There is no way around it.
I think the point is clear that the FBI isn’t allowed to ask for the removal of protected speech.

Damien’s observations is that it is unclear whether the FBI has actually done this. If the FBI has requested information from Twitter, then it would pay for Twitter’s time in collating that information. In other words there are perfectly reasonable and legal ways that payments from the FBI can turn up on Twitter’s books. The news report we’re all discussing here is a little vague on the precise details of what the FBI has actually been paying for, and as per usual for American politics 2020s style, everyone dives into their usual bunker and assumes things are as they always do.

1andrew1 21-12-2022 22:10
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142363)
Because it’s not your rights being violated, but Constitutional rights in the U.S are sacrosanct. A U.S citizen, has the most freedoms in the world when it comes to speech.
Agreed that Constitutional rights in the U.S are sacrosanct. But I honestly think that if the FBI had got protected speech taken down, it would be all over the media. The fact that it isn't all over the media suggests to me this is a non-story.

Ramrod 22-12-2022 10:23
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36142377)
But I honestly think that if the FBI had got protected speech taken down, it would be all over the media.
The media has been ignoring/refusing to report on various important topics for the last couple of years. have you not noticed?

1andrew1 22-12-2022 11:12
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36142385)
The media has been ignoring/refusing to report on various important topics for the last couple of years. have you not noticed?
My feeling is that there's so much strongly pro-Republican media out there eg New York Post, Fox News that they would have reported such a situation if it had any ounce of credibility and sometimes even if it didn't.

Hugh 22-12-2022 11:32
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36142385)
The media has been ignoring/refusing to report on various important topics for the last couple of years. have you not noticed?
The media has not been reporting things until they actually verify the story - this is what professional journalists do…

Dude111 22-12-2022 12:44
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Twitter has turned into a joke, a very expensive joke if you have money invested in it.
Ya I had a feeling he would ruin it if they forced him to go thru with it.....


I wonder now that he stepped down,can the people who were expired come back??

Hugh 22-12-2022 13:20
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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36142395)
Ya I had a feeling he would ruin it if they forced him to go thru with it.....


I wonder now that he stepped down,can the people who were expired come back??
He’s still the owner…

Paul 22-12-2022 13:22
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I dont think he has actually stepped down yet either, just "promised" he will.

TheDaddy 22-12-2022 13:36
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Be funny if the new ceo came in and fired the head of the software and server teams...

Dude111 22-12-2022 14:30
Hehe yes that would be something!!

Hugh 23-12-2022 00:46
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