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OLD BOY 16-06-2021 10:11
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36083397)
“Technical articles” ... right.

Well you know the first rule of the Dunning-Kruger club.
There’s nothing wrong with my metacognition. But I think that some are having problems with their superiority complexes. :D

Hugh 16-06-2021 13:26
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36083417)
There’s nothing wrong with my metacognition. But I think that some are having problems with their superiority complexes. :D
Well done, you, on picking out a couple of words from the first paragraph of the Wiki article... ;)

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The Dunning–Kruger effect is a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability.

As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others".[1] It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from people's inability to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their level of competence.

OLD BOY 16-06-2021 13:31
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36083444)
Well done, you, on picking out a couple of words from the first paragraph of the Wiki article... ;)
Yes, I thought you’d see the connection. Well done, Hugh.

1andrew1 16-06-2021 14:57
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36083369)
So, there’s hundreds of channels of pure garbage out there (not counting +1s that’s essentially cheating ;)) that I think most could close by 2035. Not generally because broadcasters go to the wall (they’ll all stream anyway) but there will be competing pressure for bandwidth (especially on the cable network) and satellite operators reluctant to go further in commissioning many new birds.

I’ve said before OB is right in spotting trends my issue was always “to zero” - it’s difficult for market forces alone to drive that kind of radical change in a short timeframe. Viewers are agnostic but the nudge is well under way, investment in internet connectivity continues.

A Freeview service of 15-20 HD channels (if it’s worth selling off more bandwidth) and a satellite/cable offering of a further 40-60 UHD/HD channels supplemented by on-demand/streaming is something I could envisage by 2035. I could see streamers launching IPTV channels to promote content but I don’t see this as meaningfully changing the total.
That makes sense to me apart from "commissioning many new birds." which is obviously "shows". Something else on your mind at the time of typing, jfman? :D

jfman 16-06-2021 15:04
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36083462)
That makes sense to me apart from "commissioning many new birds." which is obviously "shows". Something else on your mind at the time of typing, jfman? :D
Satellites get called birds because they fly. ;)

I don't see SES or Eutelsat in a hurry to match the number up there right now for the 2035 to 2050 period, but I'm sure they will continue to provide something. In particular as they can be moved to different markets as the situation evolves.

1andrew1 16-06-2021 15:14
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36083465)
Satellites get called birds because they fly. ;
Ah, got it, thanks.

tweetiepooh 16-06-2021 15:25
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36083287)
<snip>

Yet Netflix are discounting to Sky customers and Amazon to Vodafone customers.

<snip>
Maybe these are getting the carrier to handle the billing side of things so you get discount if you get the content bill added to carrier bill.


The carrier can then say they can offer content at discount, content can save on all the billing side of things by passing off to carrier.

RichardCoulter 26-06-2021 10:41
Re: The future of television
 
I think that in the medium term Freeview will be squeezed out more and more in favour of mobile phone spectrum.

This is when satellite use will increase as will reception via streaming and 5G.

Eventually DTH satellite use will wain as it will be seen as expensive, cumbersome, old fashioned and a contributor to space junk/non environmentally friendly practices.

In the long term I believe that all* TV, even traditional cable TV who are currently trialling IPTV, will be provided over the internet.

* Maybe for a time one mux will remain for the PSB channels and for national emergency purposes only. Anyone who complains will be told that they are still able to receive what they got in the days of analogue and that anything over and above this was a bonus.

OLD BOY 11-08-2021 20:09
Re: The future of television
 
Oh dear! It’s at times like this the viewing audience wishes that these broadcast channels were receivable via IPTV.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...-east-england/

[EXTRACT]

Television and radio services for more than one million people will remain off-air “indefinitely” following a transmitter fire.

The blaze hit the mast at Bilsdale on Tuesday, disrupting Freeview, DAB and FM Radio signals across North Yorkshire, Teesside and parts of County Durham.

Chris 11-08-2021 20:15
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36089456)
Oh dear! It’s at times like this the viewing audience wishes that these broadcast channels were receivable via IPTV.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...-east-england/

[EXTRACT]

Television and radio services for more than one million people will remain off-air “indefinitely” following a transmitter fire.

The blaze hit the mast at Bilsdale on Tuesday, disrupting Freeview, DAB and FM Radio signals across North Yorkshire, Teesside and parts of County Durham.
Where were you around 1pm on Tuesday afternoon? :scratch:

Jaymoss 11-08-2021 20:42
Re: The future of television
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36089456)
Oh dear! It’s at times like this the viewing audience wishes that these broadcast channels were receivable via IPTV.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...-east-england/

[EXTRACT]

Television and radio services for more than one million people will remain off-air “indefinitely” following a transmitter fire.

The blaze hit the mast at Bilsdale on Tuesday, disrupting Freeview, DAB and FM Radio signals across North Yorkshire, Teesside and parts of County Durham.
Most of that can be streamed anyway

jfman 11-08-2021 20:56
Re: The future of television
 
They could equally have wished they had satellite.

Hugh 11-08-2021 21:55
Re: The future of television
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36089456)
Oh dear! It’s at times like this the viewing audience wishes that these broadcast channels were receivable via IPTV.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...-east-england/

[EXTRACT]

Television and radio services for more than one million people will remain off-air “indefinitely” following a transmitter fire.

The blaze hit the mast at Bilsdale on Tuesday, disrupting Freeview, DAB and FM Radio signals across North Yorkshire, Teesside and parts of County Durham.
Luckily, nothing like that could happen to IPTV…

Oh, wait…

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...d-outages.html

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A new Opinium survey of 4,000 UK adults, which was commissioned by Uswitch, has claimed that 14.85 million people have been hit by a “major broadband outage” in the last year – this is said to be three times the number of the previous year’s survey (4.7 million).

Put another way, some 47% of respondents said they had experienced a loss of broadband connection (of any kind) over the last 12 months, while 60% of those people reported that their broadband cut out for more than 3 hours because of a “genuine outage” (i.e. one caused by a “power cut“, the broadband ISP, damage to cables external to a property or routine maintenance to cables external to a property).

The average home affected by broadband outages was said to have been left offline for more than 2 days over the course of the last 12 months.

OLD BOY 11-08-2021 23:58
Re: The future of television
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36089458)
Where were you around 1pm on Tuesday afternoon? :scratch:
I’d really rather not say…:erm:

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36089463)
Luckily, nothing like that could happen to IPTV…

Oh, wait…

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...d-outages.html
Yes, 2 days is dreadful. I hope that never happens to me.

But ‘indefinitely’ is worse, wouldn’t you agree?

Hugh 12-08-2021 09:23
Re: The future of television
 
An average of more than 2 days, not a max...

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The average home affected by broadband outages was said to have been left offline for more than 2 days over the course of the last 12 months
Edinburgh had an average total down time of over 7 days last year, according to the article, while Bristol had nearly 5 days.

Anyway, services are being restored.

https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2...as-caught-fire
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Engineers have partially restored some TV and radio services to 'hundreds of thousands' of homes in the region.


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