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Mr K 22-03-2019 08:19
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35988099)
English nationalism is going to have to take it’s medicine.

What price to pay? A United Ireland, economic catastrophe or Brexit in name only? The clocks are ticking. We need them more than they need us, and we’ve told them!

21 days, 14 hours and 51 minutes or
61 days, 14 hours and 51 minutes.
Clocks can, and do get reset as djfunkdup knows ;)

jfman 22-03-2019 08:27
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35988100)
Clocks can, and do get reset as djfunkdup knows ;)
That’s why I hedged by bets :D

The first one is at least a countdown to a decision from England.

1andrew1 22-03-2019 08:40
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35988099)
English nationalism is going to have to take it’s medicine.

What price to pay? A United Ireland, economic catastrophe or Brexit in name only? The clocks are ticking. We need them more than they need us, and we’ve told them!

21 days, 14 hours and 51 minutes or
61 days, 14 hours and 51 minutes.
It will be in name only. Just feel sorry for all those who believed thr spin.

jonbxx 22-03-2019 08:58
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35988088)
So EU earlier yesterday, sick of can being kicked down road, as are the other 27 EU Member States, they all agree tonight to kick can further down road.

You couldn't make this shit up from the corrupted and cancerous EU fools.
The EU are fools for giving the UK government what it asked for at least to some extent?

Damien 22-03-2019 09:02
Re: Brexit (New).
 
The dates are ones which work for the EU. Both main scenarios either involve us leaving before complicating the EU elections or being in the EU elections. I think it kills May's deal though because she can't say 'this, or we crash out tomorrow'.

Mick 22-03-2019 09:09
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35988100)
Clocks can, and do get reset as djfunkdup knows ;)

Enough of the winding each other up - I’m quite generous in giving Forum breaks for provocative posts.

Some members, could be given their last 3rd break before being permanently banned. Sick of it.

Dave42 22-03-2019 10:15
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35988104)
The dates are ones which work for the EU. Both main scenarios either involve us leaving before complicating the EU elections or being in the EU elections. I think it kills May's deal though because she can't say 'this, or we crash out tomorrow'.
agree her deal now dead and parliament will take control next week

mrmistoffelees 22-03-2019 10:30
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35988107)
agree her deal now dead and parliament will take control next week

As a staunch remainer, how do you think Parliament will be able to stop a no deal exit?

Dave42 22-03-2019 10:32
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35988110)
As a staunch remainer, how do you think Parliament will be able to stop a no deal exit?
they will agree a softer Brexit IMO a no deal is worse of all worlds

mrmistoffelees 22-03-2019 10:41
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35988111)
they will agree a softer Brexit IMO


Do you think that can be negotiated and passed by April 12th? I don't


Here in lies the rub, any sort of soft Brexit would probably entail us remaining in the customs union and have us retaining freedom of movement. (basically in the EU in all but name, but without the rights of a member state, whats the point ?)

There would be many millions of unhappy leave voters who would probably never vote Tory again for their belief that May failed to implement their vision of Brexit.

going no deal would see the tory's out of power for at LEAST two terms, possibly more.

May now gets to chose whether she puts party or country first , she won't be allowed to put country first....


So, as Parliament have failed to implement Brexit and are paralyzed. it's time to shit or get off the pot, No Deal vs Remain. winner takes all.

Mick 22-03-2019 10:46
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35988111)
they will agree a softer Brexit IMO a no deal is worse of all worlds
No it is not.

Also - How many times do I have to say this?

Their votes on amendments are not legally binding!!!

Only Theresa May can revoke Article 50, she cannot be forced to do so by any amendment vote in parliament. The Government is the Executive and it can only put forth Primary Legislation. Any private members Bill that attempts to change Statutes, the Government still has one last Nuclear option, as it is the Executive, it can advise the Queen to veto any Bill and it will not receive Royal Assent, no assent, means it won't pass in to law.

Dave42 22-03-2019 10:51
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35988112)
Do you think that can be negotiated and passed by April 12th? I don't


Here in lies the rub, any sort of soft Brexit would probably entail us remaining in the customs union and have us retaining freedom of movement. (basically in the EU in all but name, but without the rights of a member state, whats the point ?)

There would be many millions of unhappy leave voters who would probably never vote Tory again for their belief that May failed to implement their vision of Brexit.

going no deal would see the tory's out of power for at LEAST two terms, possibly more.

May now gets to chose whether she puts party or country first , she won't be allowed to put country first....


So, as Parliament have failed to implement Brexit and are paralyzed. it's time to shit or get off the pot, No Deal vs Remain. winner takes all.
the government have commit themselves to hold indicative votes in April so all options can get voted on

the ERG could come to regret not backing her deal as vast majority of parliament wont vote for a no deal and her deal was best could get with the red line of no CU or SM

best chance now for the ones that want a no deal now is a second referendum and no not calling for one bit ironic really it now best chance they got for a no deal

jfman 22-03-2019 10:52
Re: Brexit (New).
 
What’s the odds of any such Government surviving a vote of no confidence?

denphone 22-03-2019 10:53
Re: Brexit (New).
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35988117)
What’s the odds of any such Government surviving a vote of no confidence?
Not much...

mrmistoffelees 22-03-2019 10:56
Re: Brexit (New).
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35988116)
the government have commit themselves to hold indicative votes in April so all options can get voted on

the ERG could come to regret not backing her deal as vast majority of parliament wont vote for a no deal and her deal was best could get with the red line of no CU or SM

best chance now for the ones that want a no deal now is a second referendum and no not calling for one bit ironic really it now best chance they got for a no deal
one slight problem... no deal is the default legal position, not something to be voted on....


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