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Sirius 11-01-2015 19:41
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35752027)
Well considering they the fundamentalists are offended by everything we do from women wearing revealing clothing,to dancing and playing/listening to music,drawing/painting the human/animal form as well as not being Muslim it's pretty hard to see how less offensive we can get.

Seems to me that satire and ridicule is a very good weapon against such thinking.
Pretty sure they will find more than in your post to offend them if needed ;)

They get so easily offended by anything they remind me of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chOtJdiBZR4

TheDaddy 11-01-2015 19:42
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35752021)
Is anyone suggesting we 'pander' to them?

Do you think the people at the magazine would still be dead if they hadn't run those cartoons?
You are by suggesting we should run our lives around them and their potential reaction.

The people in the bakery didn't run any cartoons and considering Charlie Hebdo has been targeted before I suspect they had a pretty good idea it would happen again, the editor Stephane Charbonnier even said as much after the first attack three years ago and said the thought of it wouldn't stop his work.

Russ 11-01-2015 19:44
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35752030)
You are by suggesting we should run our lives around them and their potential reaction.
No, I'm not.

Pierre 11-01-2015 19:47
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35752024)
I believe in using freedoms wisely. Everyone goes on about the "right to freedom of speech". Not many people respect the responsibility of free speech


What is irresponsible about tweaking the nose of terrorists through satirical cartoons.

Been done throughout history.

From Napolean to Hitler to the IRA. Why should Islamic terrorists be treated any different?

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No
Well you certainly come across as being worried about it.

Russ 11-01-2015 19:47
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
Something that's just been suggested to me:

Those who feel so strongly about free speech and that the media should en masse publish these cartoons - why not put your money where your mouth is?

Why not publish them online yourselves with your names and addresses? That'll show them, right?

TheDaddy 11-01-2015 19:49
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35752031)
No, I'm not.
Perhaps if you did say things like this

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certain responses will paint even more targets on our backs]
people might not think you are

Pierre 11-01-2015 19:51
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35752031)
No, I'm not.
Looks like you are from where I'm sitting.

Russ 11-01-2015 19:53
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35752035)
Perhaps if you did say things like this



people might not think you are
If I was referring to myself I'd have made that clear.

So how about it, post the cartoons online with your name and address?

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35752036)
Looks like you are from where I'm sitting.
As above, you too?

Pierre 11-01-2015 19:55
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35752034)
Something that's just been suggested to me:

Those who feel so strongly about free speech and that the media should en masse publish these cartoons - why not put your money where your mouth is?

Why not publish them online yourselves with your names and addresses? That'll show them, right?
Yeah, yeah. Typically stupid suggestion when you can see your credibility slipping away.

Russ 11-01-2015 19:57
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35752039)
Yeah, yeah. Typically stupid suggestion when you can see your credibility slipping away.
In fairness it was suggested to me by someone else on the forum. Don't you think I have a point? If you're in favour of showing the nutters they can't stifle our free speech I'd have thought you wouldn't have a problem with it.

Or is that 'different'?

Sirius 11-01-2015 19:58
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
For those in this thread that think we are the ones that should give into them.

Why did they kill this person
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On Thursday, Clarissa Jean-Philippe was killed by Coulibaly after responding to reports of a traffic accident as a municipal police officer in the suburb of Montrouge.
Did he offend them and should we now not let police on the streets for fear of offending them

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On Friday, Coulibaly walked into a kosher supermarket in the eastern suburb of Vincennes armed with two Kalashnikov rifles.
He killed four people and took more than a dozen others hostage,
So now we must not shop for fear of offending them

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It has also emerged that the shooting of a jogger in a Paris suburb on the same day as the Charlie Hebdo massacre has been linked to Coulibaly.

Ballistic tests on the shell cases from the shooting in Fontenay aux Roses linked them to the automatic weapon at the supermarket two days later, a prosecutor said.
No jogging i am afraid it might offend them


Quotes from here

http://news.sky.com/story/1396559/pa...-well-deserved

Russ 11-01-2015 20:01
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35752041)
For those in this thread that think we are the ones that should give into them.
Nobody is saying we should give in to them.

TheDaddy 11-01-2015 20:02
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35752037)
If I was referring to myself I'd have made that clear.

So how about it, post the cartoons online with your name and address?

---------- Post added at 21:53 ---------- Previous post was at 21:52 ----------



As above, you too?
Post them where, on a site that'll get no visitors, hardly comparable to national press printing them, besides given my online footprint is tiny I'd rather put copies of them up in my window, it'll garner more views, what's the point your clumsily tip toeing round as usual anyway, you think people are just mouthing of about how strongly they feel about this and will sulk away to a corner to hide with the panderers when put on the spot?

Sirius 11-01-2015 20:05
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35752042)
Nobody is saying we should give in to them.
But if they are trying to kill someone just out jogging what are we supposed to do. Those religious nut jobs just wanted to kill and the cartoons were there excuse. If we don't publish any more cartoons i can more or less guarantee they will find something else to kill for.

Russ 11-01-2015 20:07
Re: Mass shooting in Paris
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35752043)
Post them where, on a site that'll get no visitors, hardly comparable to national press printing them, besides given my online footprint is tiny I'd rather put copies of them up in my window, it'll garner more views,
So why have you not put them in your window? Maybe set up a Facebook page and forward it to everyone you know? It'll soon get around plus you'll be doing your bit, if everyone did the same it'll soon get noticed. Surely you're not suggesting 'free speech' only applies to the media?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35752043)
what's the point your clumsily tip toeing round as usual anyway, you think people are just mouthing of about how strongly they feel about this and will sulk away to a corner to hide with the panderers when put on the spot?
I'm just suggesting they practise what they preach (pun unintended) if they feel so strongly about this.

I mean I'm obviously not calling people cowardly but you'd have thought there'd be no issues with doing something like that right?


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