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hardtarget 15-04-2008 20:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 34529493)
That is like asking why 2 + 2 = 4.

You just made a statement which says along the lines that if people 'grass' on others, those being 'grassed' up will pay the 'grasser' a visit - this is surely a threat.



No it's surely a threat.



And its why this country is ruin to the likes of people who take the law into their own hands and or threaten honest folk.



I know full well what you was trying to say - I think people should make it their business when they are paying for services and other people don't pay anything.



Make your mind up - you said it would be easy to pay someone a visit if they grassed and then in the next breath, you wouldn't be prepared to travel.



How about you practise what you preach then? :rolleyes:
dont worry about it man,
you wont get it,

supremus 16-04-2008 01:59
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 34529493)
Make your mind up - you said it would be easy to pay someone a visit if they grassed and then in the next breath, you wouldn't be prepared to travel.
Just further evidence that it wasn't a threat. Clearly the comment wasn't meant as intimidation. It was a perfectly reasonable statement, given how former (and current?) cable company employees around here have described many of the cable pirates they've encountered as violent and abusive individuals.

Meanwhile, back on topic. I had the opportunity to see a legal sat version of one of the boxes many people use for cable the other day, and I must say, in terms of functionality, speed and ease of use, it simply blows Virgin's standard box away.

iglu 16-04-2008 06:05
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So, kudos to the hackers, shame to NTL.

But that's nothing new, NTL's incompetence is legendary!

Saaf_laandon_mo 16-04-2008 10:09
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To be honest I didnt feel threatened by the hardtarget or any other poster and I get exactly what he means. My point in running a "grass them up" campaign was based on the Benefit fraud adverts that are running on TV. I am sure if virgin ran a similar advert, rather than employing Uma and Samuel L and a lot of money, simply saying "Cable Stealers, We're Onto You - Report A Cable Stealer, 6 months subs paid for" a lot of people wouldn't turn to the dark side.
Whether you knick your cable of not, I don't care. I mean I download movies, I rip off music, I have bought a laptop of a dodgy mate etc etc, so it would be hypocritical of me to shop you.

My idea was simply a respoonse to the question of what can virgin do to stop this.

zing_deleted 16-04-2008 10:22
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im sure most people who steal cable do not broadcast it . If they are stupid enough to then they deserve to be caught tbh

Saaf_laandon_mo 16-04-2008 10:29
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Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34529882)
im sure most people who steal cable do not broadcast it . If they are stupid enough to then they deserve to be caught tbh
I have been to three houses where the set top box looks nothing like a NTL/Telewest/Virgin one. Where do you think I watch all the big games on Sky, lol.

PeteTheMusicGuy 16-04-2008 10:36
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I'm sure if VM did start a grass them up for free subs thing there would be a fair few people who would

zing_deleted 16-04-2008 10:48
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34529886)
I have been to three houses where the set top box looks nothing like a NTL/Telewest/Virgin one. Where do you think I watch all the big games on Sky, lol.
could be freeview with top up tv or satellite boxes for eurostat etc lol

IanGuy 16-04-2008 10:50
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34529886)
I have been to three houses where the set top box looks nothing like a NTL/Telewest/Virgin one. Where do you think I watch all the big games on Sky, lol.
Lol, this guy does speak truth, though obviously I don't want to give stuff away.

They're not NTL sub'd boxes, they don't even have smart cards.

supremus 16-04-2008 11:03
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34529875)
To be honest I didnt feel threatened by the hardtarget or any other poster and I get exactly what he means. My point in running a "grass them up" campaign was based on the Benefit fraud adverts that are running on TV. I am sure if virgin ran a similar advert, rather than employing Uma and Samuel L and a lot of money, simply saying "Cable Stealers, We're Onto You - Report A Cable Stealer, 6 months subs paid for" a lot of people wouldn't turn to the dark side.
Whether you knick your cable of not, I don't care. I mean I download movies, I rip off music, I have bought a laptop of a dodgy mate etc etc, so it would be hypocritical of me to shop you.

My idea was simply a respoonse to the question of what can virgin do to stop this.
The numbers for such an initiative almost certainly wouldn't add up. The man power Virgin would have to invest in dealing with tips like that just isn't worth it. It's not like you could just phone up Virgin, turn in your neighbour, and have him disconnected 20 minutes later. Each tip would have to be verified and dealt with, possibly in court, and in addition to those costs, they would have to waive your cable bill for 6 months. All this just to get rid of a guy who might actually be paying a minimum subscription anyway. Not worth it.

The only approach that makes sense to Virgin are global hits through the encryption system, as well as dealing with people who sell dodgy boxes, cards, and related services.

danielf 16-04-2008 11:11
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Originally Posted by supremus (Post 34529920)
The numbers for such an initiative almost certainly wouldn't add up. The man power Virgin would have to invest in dealing with tips like that just isn't worth it. It's not like you could just phone up Virgin, turn in your neighbour, and have him disconnected 20 minutes later. Each tip would have to be verified and dealt with, possibly in court, and in addition to those costs, they would have to waive your cable bill for 6 months. All this just to get rid of a guy who might actually be paying a minimum subscription anyway. Not worth it.

The only approach that makes sense to Virgin are global hits through the encryption system, as well as dealing with people who sell dodgy boxes, cards, and related services.
Further to that, I would imagine that VM would be hesitant to advertise the fact that it is possible to steal cable services.

Stuart 16-04-2008 11:14
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Originally Posted by hardtarget (Post 34529458)
if you do something like that then expect a couple of visits from whoever you shopped,
its not too hard to find out who shopped you
It's actually not too hard to hide your identity either..

Richy99 16-04-2008 11:20
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 34529476)
Last time I checked it was also illegal to threaten people and or intimidate them - I will not have it done on this forum either.

i didnt see it as a threat at all

supremus 16-04-2008 11:51
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34529926)
Further to that, I would imagine that VM would be hesitant to advertise the fact that it is possible to steal cable services.
They've done that before. Ran TV ads about it last winter.

Saaf_laandon_mo 16-04-2008 11:51
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Originally Posted by Richy99 (Post 34529936)
i didnt see it as a threat at all
Nor did I..... Virgin dont have to advertise how easy it is to steal cable, quite a few have already done it here for them lol


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