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Carth 31-03-2026 23:50
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It probably makes perfect sense to Trump, it seems to be written in the same style

Hugh 01-04-2026 07:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213216)
The world knew Iran would continuously attack Israel, which is borderline terrorism on their part.

So because Trump isn't being heard to straighten the strait he has set fire and now has no clue even though he's said he'll attack Iran further if no deal is reached. Ok.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2026/04/1.gif

1andrew1 01-04-2026 08:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213216)
The world knew Iran would continuously attack Israel, which is borderline terrorism on their part.

So because Trump isn't being heard to straighten the strait he has set fire and now has no clue even though he's said he'll attack Iran further if no deal is reached. Ok.
I think he had no clue a long, long time ago!

TheDaddy 01-04-2026 13:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36213247)
I think he had no clue a long, long time ago!
It's remarkable the knots his fans twist themselves into trying to justify his lies and crackpottery

Hugh 01-04-2026 21:07
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2 Attachment(s)
https://wapo.st/4c3YOFT

Quote:
Trump prepares to address nation on Iran after vowing to end conflict in ‘weeks’

The White House promised an “important update” on Iran, in what is set to be the president’s first prime-time address since the U.S. and Israeli assault began.

President Donald Trump is set to address the nation Wednesday night with an “important update” on Iran, the White House said, in what is set to be his first prime-time address since the U.S. and Israeli assault on Iran began more than a month ago.

In a Tuesday night tweet, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt did not elaborate on what Trump’s message would be in the 9 p.m. speech. But Trump and Secretary of State Marco Rubio have spent recent days expressing optimism about the United States’ trajectory, after the administration alternated between saying the war is winding down and threatening to escalate it.

Trump said Tuesday he planned to end the U.S. involvement in Iran within two or three weeks and that he would have “nothing to do” with a long-term effort to secure the Strait of Hormuz, a choke point for 20 percent of the world’s oil that Iran has largely blocked off with threats and attacks on tankers.

“We’ll be leaving very soon,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office. “And if France or some other country wants to get oil or gas, go up through the … Hormuz Strait, they’ll go right up there, and they’ll be able to fend for themselves.”

“We’ll have nothing to do with it,” he continued. “What happens in the strait, we’re not going to have anything to do with it.”

Rubio said in a Fox News interview that “we can see the finish line. It’s not tomorrow, but it is coming.”
Some suggestions from the Interwebs about what may be proclaimed…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1775077562

Or you could play "buzzword bingo"…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1775077562

Carth 01-04-2026 23:23
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*sometime next week*

"Our brave astronauts have discovered what looks suspiciously like a large collection of Iranian Nuclear Missile Silos on the back side of the moon. It's my moon and if those missiles are still there in 2 days I'm going to blow it up"

TheDaddy 01-04-2026 23:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36213286)
https://wapo.st/4c3YOFT



Some suggestions from the Interwebs about what may be proclaimed…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1775077562

Or you could play "buzzword bingo"…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1775077562
Strange, nothing about Epstein in the list or on the card

Hugh 02-04-2026 12:02
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Well, that went well...

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/01/stoc...e-updates.html

Quote:
Dow futures slump 600 points as oil surges after Trump address on U.S.-Iran war: Live updates

U.S. stock futures tumbled on Thursday after President Donald Trump indicated that the Iran war would continue, sending oil prices higher as well.

Futures tied to the Dow Jones Industrial Average slid 661 points, or 1.4%. S&P 500 futures declined 1.6%, and Nasdaq 100 futures lost 2%.

Trump delivered an address Wednesday night, providing updates on the Middle East conflict. Though he said that the U.S. is “getting very close” to ending the Iran war, Trump added that the nation would “hit” Tehran “extremely hard.”

“Over the next two to three weeks, we’re going to bring them back to the stone ages where they belong,” the president said.

His comments led to a surge in oil prices.

West Texas Intermediate crude futures were last up 9% at above $109 per barrel, while Brent crude futures advanced 8% to above $109 a barrel.

thenry 02-04-2026 12:09
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Went well as in money over life?

Hugh 02-04-2026 12:52
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It’s only a few pennies…

Narrator: In fact, the S&P 500 Futures market lost $550 billion in Market Capital in the the 25 minutes after Trump’s speech, and Global Stocks have lost over $14 Trillion since Trump started this war…

btw, people are dying due to this war, not least the over 140 schoolchildren that the US Cruise Missile hit, the 15 US Service personnel, the over 1600 Iranian civilians, the over 1300 killed in Lebanon, 19 Israeli civilians, and various others in the Gulf States…

thenry 02-04-2026 14:36
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That oppose to Israel being attacked. Yeah good point that.

1andrew1 02-04-2026 14:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213319)
That oppose to Israel being attacked. Yeah good point that.
Hugh did say 19 Israeli citizens. It's not oppose to, it's part of.

thenry 02-04-2026 14:48
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There is no defensive without attack. All these mindboggling numbers mean nothing but I guess Trump is thick.

Carth 02-04-2026 15:37
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quote from a previous post by Hugh:

'In fact, the S&P 500 Futures market lost $550 billion in Market Capital in the the 25 minutes after Trump’s speech, and Global Stocks have lost over $14 Trillion since Trump started this war…'

Somewhere out there in the American wilderness will be someone who had it all and now has nothing . . . except a determination to use that rifle and ammo hidden under the stairs

:shocked:

Paul 02-04-2026 20:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213319)
That oppose to Israel being attacked. Yeah good point that.
Why are you so obsessed with "Israel being attacked" ?

thenry 02-04-2026 20:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36213374)
Why are you so obsessed with "Israel being attacked" ?
Because it's a valid point in the world of everything Trump does is stupid.

Hugh 05-04-2026 08:40
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Excellent news - the missing F-15 Strike Eagle WSO has been rescued.

Hugh 05-04-2026 11:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36213432)
Excellent news - the missing F-15 Strike Eagle WSO has been rescued.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1775389900

Handy hint - it’s not an optimal tactic to let your enemies know your strategies and assets within a combat zone…

Carth 05-04-2026 18:19
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We used to call it 'bragging' about how clever you are . . I guess it's now something along the lines of 'telling the enemy how you do secret things'

:rolleyes:
:rofl:

Paul 05-04-2026 20:35
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I doubt Trump can spell "tactic" let alone use one - he probably thinks its a small mint.

Hugh 07-04-2026 15:30
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5yw...f6f00633d#post

Quote:
US forces striking military targets on Kharg Island

As we've just reported, a US official has confirmed to CBS News that American forces conducted strikes on military targets on Iran's Kharg Island.

The US previously targeted the island in March, with President Trump saying military targets had been "totally obliterated".

Today, the unnamed official told CBS - the BBC's US news partner - that oil infrastructure was not targeted in the overnight attack.

Kharg Island is home to a major oil terminal that is considered Iran's economic lifeline. Trump has previously indicated that he may send troops to seize control of the island.
Quote:
US President Donald Trump has just posted on Truth Social, warning: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again".

He goes on:
"I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS?

"We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!"
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates...train-strikes/

Quote:
Vance says U.S. has "tools in our toolkit that we so far haven't decided to use" on Iran

Vice President JD Vance warned Tuesday that the U.S. has "tools in our toolkit that we so far haven't decided to use" against Iran, adding he was "hopeful" negotiations would avoid them being deployed.

"The United States States has largely accomplished its military objectives," Vance told reporters during a visit to Hungary, adding that "there's going to be a lot of negotiation between now and" when President Trump's deadline for Iran expires at 8 p.m. Eastern.

"They've got to know we've got tools in our toolkit that we so far haven't decided to use. The president of the United States can decide to use them, and he will decide to use them if the Iranians don't change their course of conduct," he added.

peanut 07-04-2026 16:08
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I’m sure it’ll be another one of his TACO moments. No doubt they’ll be another deadline to be announced shortly. Another country and / or leader to insult etc etc etc. Another tariff or toll too. Getting rather boring and Predictable.

The man needs sectioning for sure.

papa smurf 07-04-2026 16:55
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must be going to use the death star

mrmistoffelees 07-04-2026 18:21
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Genocide, it would appear is absolutely fine so long as it’s a specific side threatening it.

Carth 07-04-2026 19:18
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Has anyone heard from Putin lately, or is he still rolling about on the floor laughing his nuts off?

edit: Am I right in thinking 20:00 EDT is the same as midnight here in the UK?

I might stay up to watch the end of a Civilisation . . or another change of mind when his bluff is called

jem 07-04-2026 20:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36213518)
Has anyone heard from Putin lately, or is he still rolling about on the floor laughing his nuts off?

edit: Am I right in thinking 20:00 EDT is the same as midnight here in the UK?

I might stay up to watch the end of a Civilisation . . or another change of mind when his bluff is called
20:00 EDT is indeed Midnight UTC where UTC is basically the same as GMT. Alas we have moved to British Summer Time now, so you’ll have to wait another hour to see the end of a civilisation - or probably not!

1andrew1 07-04-2026 20:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36213518)
Has anyone heard from Putin lately, or is he still rolling about on the floor laughing his nuts off?
Putin's a bit anxious that his other fan boy, Hungary's Viktor Orban may lose the election. Fortunately JD Vance flew out to Hungary to endorse Orban whilst criticising other countries for interfering.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36213518)
edit: Am I right in thinking 20:00 EDT is the same as midnight here in the UK?

I might stay up to watch the end of a Civilisation . . or another change of mind when his bluff is called
1am UK time I believe.

Will Trump Taco?

Quote:
Donald Trump has walked himself into a "very, very tight corner" with his latest comments on Iran, military analyst Professor Michael Clarke says.

He tells presenter Barbara Serra that he believes Trump could try to back down from his threats against Iran that a "whole civilisation will die tonight".

But Clarke says history does not necessarily suggest a climbdown will come - pointing out that Trump pressed ahead with his military operation in Venezuela in January after building up a sizeable force.

"They tend to press the go button rather than the go home button," he adds.

Secondly, Clarke says the increased strikes across Iran today (which have targeted railway bridges and Kharg Island) might suggest that "somebody has gone early".

"Why would the Americans do that? Unless the Israelis are trying to bounce the Americans into going early, which is plausible," Clarke adds.
https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-...-news-13509565

1andrew1 07-04-2026 23:14
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Ok, looks like he Tacod, postponed for two weeks.
https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-...-news-13509565

Hugh 07-04-2026 23:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36213524)
Putin's a bit anxious that his other fan boy, Hungary's Viktor Orban may lose the election. Fortunately JD Vance flew out to Hungary to endorse Orban whilst criticising other countries for interfering.


1am UK time I believe.

Will Trump Taco?


https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-...-news-13509565
TACO* Tuesday…

https://wapo.st/4mhPzqk

Quote:
Trump agrees to suspend attacks for ‘two weeks’ if Iran opens Strait of Hormuz

Amid threats to bomb civilian infrastructure, the president said he had received a 10-point proposal from Iran that formed a “workable basis” for continued negotiations.

Just 90 minutes before President Donald Trump’s 8 p.m. deadline to “wipe out a whole civilization” with massive strikes on Iran’s energy infrastructure and bridges, he granted a two-week extension for diplomacy to continue.

“Subject to the Islamic Republic of Iran agreeing to the COMPLETE, IMMEDIATE and SAFE OPENING of the Strait of Hormuz,” Trump said on social media, “I agree to suspend the bombing and attack of Iran for a period of two weeks.”

Trump said his decision was in response to an appeal from Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, whose government has been serving as mediator between the United States and Iran.

“Diplomatic efforts for peaceful settlement are progressing steadily,” Sharif said in a post on social media. “I earnestly request President Trump to extend the deadline for two weeks.”

At the same time, Sharif asked Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz for the same period “as a goodwill gesture. We also urge all warring parties to observe a ceasefire everywhere for two weeks to allow diplomacy to achieve a conclusive termination of the war, in the interest of long-term peace and stability in the region.”

In his own post, Trump said that his reasoning was “that we have already met and exceeded all Military objectives and are very far along with a definitive Agreement concerning Longterm PEACE with Iran.”

He said that a 10-point proposal received from Iran was a “workable basis on which to negotiate” and that two weeks would “allow the Agreement to be finalized and consummated.”

Trump added, “This will be a double-sided CEASEFIRE!”

There was no immediate comment from Tehran, and it was not clear whether or how either side had altered what appeared to be mutually exclusive demands.
*thankfully

Paul 07-04-2026 23:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36213518)
Has anyone heard from Putin lately, or is he still rolling about on the floor laughing his nuts off
Hes still laughing his nuts off.
Probably a little concern in the back of his mind that Trump is so far off his rocker now he may do something (else) stupid that will affect him.

The more senile he gets, the less control Putin will have over him.

Carth 08-04-2026 02:23
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'sigh' the trouble with Youtube is you get really engrossed in something (Billy Connolly on this occasion) and completely forget that the end of civilisation is on the way. :erm:

Oh well, I'm sure I'll get another chance next week to see the end of the world :D

Hugh 08-04-2026 07:53
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1775634214

It also says, "Iran fully commits to not seeking possession of any nuclear weapons".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce84z6y3ke4o

https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/strai...l-19882676.htm

Quote:
While both, Tehran and Washington, have agreed to facilitating the passage of shipments through Hormuz, there have been reports that Iran is charging a toll fees from the vessels.

Under the new ceasefire agreement, for next two weeks, safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz will be possible via coordination with Iran’s Armed Forces and with due consideration of technical limitations, Iran's foreign minister Seyed Abbas Araghchi said in a statement.

According to few reports, $2 million per ship would be charged by the Iranian authorities. The Associated Press (AP) reported that Iran's Parliament approved a draft bill on April 7 that would formalise the toll. And the revenue from Hormuz toll would be used to rebuild the country after the war.

News18 reported citing Iran's Fars News Agency that Iran also proposed the toll fees clause to the US during the negotiations.

US President Donald Trump also hinted that there could be financial gains from the ceasefire. He added that Iran could start the reconstruction process and the US would help in the traffic buildup in Hormuz.

"The United States of America will be helping with the traffic buildup in the Strait of Hormuz. There will be lots of positive action! Big money will be made. Iran can start the reconstruction process. We’ll be loading up with supplies of all kinds, and just “hangin’ around” in order to make sure that everything goes well. I feel confident that it will. Just like we are experiencing in the US, this could be the Golden Age of the Middle East!!!" Trump wrote on Truth Social.

However, there has been no official statement by any authority on the toll.

The $2 million fees per ship to pass through the Strait of Hormuz seems possible but with estimates. Iran is likely to not charge a steep upfront fees.

According to a report by JP Morgan, Iran is proposing to charge 100-130 vessels per day $2 million each, which would amount to $70-90 billion per year in revenues, if approved.

The report said that even if Iran only charged $2 million each to the 2,000 to 3,000 commercial vessels currently stranded in the Gulf (estimates differ), Iran would raise $4-6 billion dollars which matches or exceeds recent annual toll revenues for the major canals such as the Panama and Suez among others.
So much winning…

Hugh 08-04-2026 08:25
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A (imho) reasonable summary of the current situation by an ex-NSC Advisor, Ben Rhodes.

Quote:
In the best case scenario, Trump struck a deal to reopen a Strait that was open before the pointless war he started, with [Iran] demonstrating its control over the Strait and potentially extracting fees plus sanctions relief.

Thousands of innocents—including hundreds of children—dead in Lebanon and Iran for no reason.

U.S. troops killed and wounded.

U.S. embassies and bases in the Middle East badly damaged.

U.S. standing in the world obliterated.

U.S. munitions badly depleted.

Hundreds of billions spent.

Prices up everywhere.

More global economic fallout to come.

Putin strengthened and enriched.

Just a catastrophic situation even in the best of circumstances. A profoundly shameful episode in American history no matter what happens next.”

papa smurf 08-04-2026 08:27
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looks like the death star had a flat battery, don't worry it's on charge for the next two weeks at which time the world will see the bigliest ............blah blah blah

1andrew1 08-04-2026 08:45
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Is the US really going to agree to Iran's 10 demands? Which include paying compensation to it, withdrawing US troops from the region and giving Iran control of the Strait of Hormuz.

Chris 08-04-2026 09:15
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Of course not. Remember, Trump Always Chickens Out. There was always going to be some excuse at the last minute, not to follow through on the ludicrous, childish threats he’s been making. Now he can say he’s not doing it because Iran’s negotiating, even if there’s no way he’s going to accept Iran’s demands.

peanut 08-04-2026 09:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36213556)
Is the US really going to agree to Iran's 10 demands? Which include paying compensation to it, withdrawing US troops from the region and giving Iran control of the Strait of Hormuz.
Obviously not. He used it as an excuse. It was TACO Tuesday. Did anyone really think he’d go ahead with whatever he said / says?

Lets see how things are in 2 weeks time.

Oops didn't see your post Chris till I posted mine. Same thing anyway.

Chris 08-04-2026 09:38
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Great minds think alike :cool:

papa smurf 08-04-2026 09:45
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meanwhile Hegseth is playing his favourite song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hEtI9AI0U

thenry 08-04-2026 12:03
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What the hell! Make the whole exercise worthwhile! America has just flexed it's muscles. Trump better not have a little weiner. I feel like cursing him. Idiot!

Hugh 08-04-2026 12:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213568)
What the hell! Make the whole exercise worthwhile! America has just flexed its muscles. Trump better not have a little weiner. I feel like cursing him. Idiot!
That ship* has sailed…

https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...enis-mushroom/

Quote:
She describes Trump's penis as "smaller than average" but "not freakishly small."
*more of a dinghy…

thenry 08-04-2026 12:13
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She's a whore. Nothing ever satisfy them. Don't trust a 'hoe.

Hugh 08-04-2026 12:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213572)
She's a whore. Nothing ever satisfy them. Don't trust a 'hoe.
No way to speak about Melania…

thenry 08-04-2026 12:48
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At least she's nice to look at.

Carth 08-04-2026 12:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213574)
At least she's nice to look at.
You seem a little . . . desperate :D

Hugh 08-04-2026 13:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36213575)
You seem a little . . . desperate :D
Well, think about it - Trump’s constantly firing members of his Cabinet, and when he’s looking for replacements, the salient qualities seem to be sycophantic loyalty, the inability to even consider any other viewpoint, over-the-top aggression to anyone who disagrees, and being even more incoherent than Trump…

<just sayin’>

thenry 08-04-2026 13:27
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Nothing wrong with eye candy ;)

Hugh 08-04-2026 16:00
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1775666727


https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1775666727

thenry 08-04-2026 16:06
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Just get on with it America. The drama in all this must be deafening to the citizens caught up in it all, those wanting change that is. My own mind has spun more than once today :no:

Hugh 08-04-2026 16:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213582)
Just get on with it America. The drama in all this must be deafening to the citizens caught up in it all, those wanting change that is. My own mind has spun more than once today :no:
Get on with what?

What do you think the USA should do?

thenry 08-04-2026 16:42
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What they said they would do if no deal is reached. Haven't you reported it on PubeNews?

Paul 08-04-2026 16:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213587)
What they said they would do if no deal is reached.
You want the US to "end a civilisation" ? Are you really that insane ?

Hugh 08-04-2026 16:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213587)
What they said they would do if no deal is reached. Haven't you reported it on PubeNews?
I asked what do you think the USA should do - Trump has stated multiple different things over the last month or so.

Carth 08-04-2026 16:56
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I think Trump should sell give away all the oil he's getting from Venezuela to every country desperate for some.

He caused the shortage, he can put it right at the expense of the 'good old' USA

:D

jem 08-04-2026 17:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213582)
Just get on with it America. The drama in all this must be deafening to the citizens caught up in it all, those wanting change that is. My own mind has spun more than once today :no:
Get on with what exactly?

In general when starting military action, it is good to have a proper objective, actual realistic aims, a means to achieve these and a clear idea of what constitutes ‘victory’ and how to get it.

This current fiasco had none of those things, the aims changed hour by hour, regime change (how, and who takes over), removing Iran’s missile arsenal, preventing them from acquiring nuclear weapons (which was always dubious, yes enriching Uranium to past that required for energy generation does look a bit suspicious but not proper evidence), helping the Iranian people to overthrow the Theocracy, prevent Iran from sponsoring and equipping terrorist organisations?

Have any of these things actually happened?

Pick any one of these and how do you achieve it? Certainly not just from the air, a full-blown ground invasion is required and US administrations are terrified of this because of the news reports of all the full body bags coming back!

I strongly suspect that all the yes-men and women that Trump has surrounded himself with, told him exactly what he wanted to hear - this would be a quick victory, the overwhelming US air power will have Iran begging for a deal within a few days with zero US casualties.

Unfortunately that has now run headlong into reality; no quick successes so Trump has now gotten bored of the whole thing and just wants out. Although I have no doubt that he will claim it as a huge WIN for the US and especially for him! Oil prices will remain high for the foreseeable, this on-off ceasefire just leads to uncertainty - and markets don’t like that.

All of this should have been planned for and anticipated from the off - but it wasn’t. That deranged and foul-mouthed statement the other day is just a sign of utter desperation for some kind of off-ramp.

The only one who has gained anything from this is Netanyahu, who, the second he leaves office is looking at corruption charges, so desperately needs to maintain a degree of danger to keep him in power.

thenry 08-04-2026 17:05
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I'm not reading all that jem. Either dumb it down or respectfully accept my no response.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36213588)
You want the US to "end a civilisation" ? Are you really that insane ?
Yes and may be, are you a health care professional? Live by a gun die by one.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36213589)
I asked what do you think the USA should do - Trump has stated multiple different things over the last month or so.
Take Iran out. It's terrorism.

Paul 08-04-2026 17:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213592)
I'm not reading all that jem. Either dumb it down or respectfully accept my no response.

Yes and may be, are you a health care professional? Live by a gun die by one.

Take Iran out. It's terrorism.
You are either completely nuts, or just trolling, either way, time for you to take a break from this.

papa smurf 08-04-2026 17:29
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Operation epic fail has achieved it's main objective, FAILURE

oohraa usa usa

Hugh 08-04-2026 17:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213592)
I'm not reading all that jem. Either dumb it down or respectfully accept my no response.



Yes and may be, are you a health care professional? Live by a gun die by one.



Take Iran out. It's terrorism.
Not sure it’s possible to dumb it down enough for you…

You can’t "take out" a country - see Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, Ethiopia, Vietnam as previous attempts…

1andrew1 08-04-2026 18:41
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Did someone say TACO Tuesday? The Iranians are getting good at this. :D

https://www.threads.com/@fallgirl11_...D6BVtXL&slof=1

Carth 08-04-2026 18:48
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36213595)
Not sure it’s possible to dumb it down enough for you…

You can’t "take out" a country - see Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, Ethiopia, Vietnam as previous attempts…
Which, as I see it, means that believing you have God on your side doesn't mean a thing when the enemies God (or Gods) can do a great deal more with less :D

jem 08-04-2026 18:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213592)
I'm not reading all that jem. Either dumb it down or respectfully accept my no response.



Yes and may be, are you a health care professional? Live by a gun die by one.



Take Iran out. It's terrorism.
OK so you are not reading all of that, if you choose not to reply that’s fine, that’s absolutely fine, but if there is something you don’t understand or disagree with then do respond and ask for clarification. That’s the whole point of a forum, it’s a free (within reason) means of exchanging views and ideas and knowledge.

Naturally no one can force you to listen to their opinion, nor should they, but your request that I ‘dumb it down’ says what? On the face of it, it would suggest that you are not competent to read through a long post, understand its meaning and respond properly. I don’t think that; I suspect you are a perfectly intelligent fellow human being; but you can’t counter the points I raised and instead have decided to walk away.

And that’s fine.

And to the mods, please don’t think I am trying to escalate any issue here or demean another forum member - I am genuinely interested in how they think, how they see the situation, present them with the facts, ask for what their solution would be.....

However I can see how this can be seen as ‘provocative’ so I will remain from commenting any further.

pip08456 08-04-2026 20:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36213592)
I'm not reading all that jem. Either dumb it down or respectfully accept my no response.



Yes and may be, are you a health care professional? Live by a gun die by one.



Take Iran out. It's terrorism.
Jem's post is a good simple explanation. If you can't read a simplified breakdown I'm not surpised having read some of your posts.

Sephiroth 09-04-2026 08:26
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I’m disappointed. If, as is reported, Iran is reneging on the ceasefire deal, then at least the USA/Israel should be taking out a representative power station and bridge.

The regime might have replenished missile stocks from China. The regime is, in any case, ideology driven and really the job needs finishinhg.

Easy to say from my booth at the M&S cafe in Reading!

papa smurf 09-04-2026 08:47
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213628)
I’m disappointed. If, as is reported, Iran is reneging on the ceasefire deal, then at least the USA/Israel should be taking out a representative power station and bridge.

The regime might have replenished missile stocks from China. The regime is, in any case, ideology driven and really the job needs finishinhg.

Easy to say from my booth at the M&S cafe in Reading!
in Iran's eyes it's Israel that has breached the ceasefire by bombing Lebanon, as they say Lebanon was included in the ceasefire deal.

Hugh 09-04-2026 08:53
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36213631)
in Iran's eyes it's Israel that has breached the ceasefire by bombing Lebanon, as they say Lebanon was included in the ceasefire deal.
That was point 10 of the 10 point plan which Trump said was

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"a workable basis on which to negotiate".

1andrew1 09-04-2026 10:25
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36213632)
That was point 10 of the 10 point plan which Trump said was
The UK, France and EU have today asked Israel to stop. Will the only person who Netanyahu might listen to; Trump; join them?

Hugh 09-04-2026 14:22
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He’s not a well man…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1775744492

Sephiroth 09-04-2026 15:01
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36213637)
The UK, France and EU have today asked Israel to stop. Will the only person who Netanyahu might listen to; Trump; join them?
Have the wretched aforementioned governments asked Hezbollah to stop bombing/missiling southern Israel?

1andrew1 09-04-2026 15:56
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Gen Z in Iran continuing to troll Trump. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G9D...&start_radio=1

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213647)
Have the wretched aforementioned governments asked Hezbollah to stop bombing/missiling southern Israel?
Of course.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/j...-16-march-2026

Jaymoss 09-04-2026 16:00
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bloody catchy tune that

1andrew1 09-04-2026 16:36
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36213651)
bloody catchy tune that
Agreed, it's better than most tracks in the charts!

Sephiroth 09-04-2026 16:37
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36213649)
Gen Z in Iran continuing to troll Trump. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G9D...&start_radio=1

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Of course.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/j...-16-march-2026
So why didn't you frame your earlier message around your link rather than highlighting the UK government asking Israel to stop their retaliations? Or do you consider Israel to be the agressor?

As it happens, Netanyahu has done a switcheroo and taken up the Lebanese's government suggestion that they negotiate directly.

1andrew1 09-04-2026 18:35
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213654)
So why didn't you frame your earlier message around your link rather than highlighting the UK government asking Israel to stop their retaliations? Or do you consider Israel to be the agressor?

As it happens, Netanyahu has done a switcheroo and taken up the Lebanese's government suggestion that they negotiate directly.
My earlier message was taken from today's news. The condemnation of Hezbollah with the link I kindly found for you was from an earlier date.

Obviously, Israel is being an aggressor at the moment by using hugely disproportionate violence against Lebanon but that does not mean that Hezbollah are angels. But Netanyahu with his orange side kick have clearly been a disaster both for a peaceful Middle East and for fuel and food prices across the globe. How long till the Lebanese start making their way to Europe to escape Netanyahu's bombings? Will he pay for the hotels to house them whilst we process their claims?

Talks are the only way to solving these issues. They cannot be solved militarily.

Sephiroth 09-04-2026 18:53
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36213667)
My earlier message was taken from today's news. The condemnation of Hezbollah with the link I kindly found for you was from an earlier date.

Obviously, Israel is being an aggressor at the moment by using hugely disproportionate violence against Lebanon but that does not mean that Hezbollah are angels. But Netanyahu with his orange side kick have clearly been a disaster both for a peaceful Middle East and for fuel and food prices across the globe. How long till the Lebanese start making their way to Europe to escape Netanyahu's bombings? Will he pay for the hotels to house them whilst we process their claims?

Talks are the only way to solving these issues. They cannot be solved militarily.
Well, there you are. Anti-Israel. Choice of words comparing Hezbollah with (not) angels says it all. Hezbollah are murderers and the Lebanese government isn't controlling/subduing them. In the meantime, their rockets are killing Israelis who are hitting. Back there is nothing disproportionate about locating their places and zapping them; Hezbollah (like Hamas) use the population as shields,

And then there's your nonsense question about Netanyahu paying for hotels of Lebanese asylum seekers!

Israel is seriously threatened with terrorism and obliteration by Iran and its proxies. Fight back hard is what we are witnessing.

1andrew1 09-04-2026 19:09
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213671)
Well, there you are. Anti-Israel. Choice of words comparing Hezbollah with (not) angels says it all. Hezbollah are murderers and the Lebanese government isn't controlling/subduing them. In the meantime, their rockets are killing Israelis who are hitting. Back there is nothing disproportionate about locating their places and zapping them; Hezbollah (like Hamas) use the population as shields,

And then there's your nonsense question about Netanyahu paying for hotels of Lebanese asylum seekers!

Israel is seriously threatened with terrorism and obliteration by Iran and its proxies. Fight back hard is what we are witnessing.
Wrong. Netanyahu is incentivised to be at war, for as soon as there is peace, there will be an election in Israel and he'll he jailed for corruption. That's what we're seeing.

To anyone half awake, 30,000 Lebanese fleeing to Syria, a million people displaced and hundreds killed overnight is disproportionate.

Israel is afflicted with terrorism and its recent actions won't help here. But it doesn't face obliteration from Iran. And it's naive to pretend that Israel's actions won't increase refugees coming to the UK.

Sephiroth 09-04-2026 19:28
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You're mixing things up. Sure, Netanyahu hopes that his military response will enhance his GE prospects. But he also has a duty to defend Israel and his public expect that.

All of the Iranian top echelon in one house was absolutely irresistible - never mind Netanyahu's corruption charges.

As yo your last sentence, purely confected as a sentiment. The numbers may be true. The consequences of war. Anti-Israeli is your obvious stance.

1andrew1 09-04-2026 21:22
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213675)
You're mixing things up. Sure, Netanyahu hopes that his military response will enhance his GE prospects. But he also has a duty to defend Israel and his public expect that.

All of the Iranian top echelon in one house was absolutely irresistible - never mind Netanyahu's corruption charges.

As yo your last sentence, purely confected as a sentiment. The numbers may be true. The consequences of war. Anti-Israeli is your obvious stance.
Not anti anyone. I just look at the actions of countries and judge accordingly. You can choose to support Israel like others support a football team, that's not my style, I'm more objective.

No one is arguing against Israel's right to defend itself; simply that some of its actions in Lebanon eg killing over 300 people last night for example is disproportionate. And it's daft to ignore the fact that there is a strong incentive for Netanyahu to keep the wars going so as to delay the election given that a loss will see him jailed.

None of this is made up - have a view of The Newsagents for example.

Paul 10-04-2026 15:48
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.. our great military is loading up and resting, looking forward, actually, to its next conquest
Surely anyone who still doubted it can see what an utter nutcase this man is.

Carth 10-04-2026 16:04
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Wouldn't at all surprise me if at this very moment he's telling his Generals to get that Kilauea volcano in Hawaii under control because it's making more noise and a better display of power than he can

:D

Hugh 10-04-2026 16:27
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36213739)
Wouldn't at all surprise me if at this very moment he's telling his Generals to get that Kilauea volcano in Hawaii under control because it's making more noise and a better display of power than he can

:D

The ones that he and Hegseth haven't fired yet...

jem 10-04-2026 19:26
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213675)
You're mixing things up. Sure, Netanyahu hopes that his military response will enhance his GE prospects. But he also has a duty to defend Israel and his public expect that.

All of the Iranian top echelon in one house was absolutely irresistible - never mind Netanyahu's corruption charges.

As yo your last sentence, purely confected as a sentiment. The numbers may be true. The consequences of war. Anti-Israeli is your obvious stance.
"But he also has a duty to defend Israel and his public expect that.”

Yes, absolutely yes, I agree. Except is he actually defending Israel? Look at it like this, how many Israeli casualties has Hezbollah managed to cause? Don't get me wrong, even one is unacceptable, but what is a proportionate response? Is the killing of hundreds if not thousands of Lebanese people justified? Its is inconceivable that all of them are jihadi militants bent on the destruction of Isreal; are most of them just innocent collateral damage?

Now, tell me what is likely to happen, their family, children will think either, 'oh best not mess with Israel again', or think, 'the Israelis killed my family who were simple bakers - I want to kill every Israeli/Jew’ (because they are the same, no)? They have managed to radicalise an entire new generation - well done Bibi!

Short termism - he has managed, I suspect for his own ends, to prolong the suffering on both sides.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36213740)
The ones that he and Hegseth haven't fired yet...
Not a problem he’ll sign an Executive Order instructing the volcano to stop erupting. And then take it to the Supreme Court when the volcano seems to completely ignore him.

Sephiroth 10-04-2026 19:42
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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36213748)
"But he also has a duty to defend Israel and his public expect that.”

Yes, absolutely yes, I agree. Except is he actually defending Israel? Look at it like this, how many Israeli casualties has Hezbollah managed to cause? Don't get me wrong, even one is unacceptable, but what is a proportionate response? Is the killing of hundreds if not thousands of Lebanese people justified? Its is inconceivable that all of them are jihadi militants bent on the destruction of Isreal; are most of them just innocent collateral damage?

Now, tell me what is likely to happen, their family, children will think either, 'oh best not mess with Israel again', or think, 'the Israelis killed my family who were simple bakers - I want to kill every Israeli/Jew’ (because they are the same, no)? They have managed to radicalise an entire new generation - well done Bibi!

Short termism - he has managed, I suspect for his own ends, to prolong the suffering on both sides.
<SNIP>
The "proportionate response" is what the long distance onlookers who don't like Netanyahu (and I don't like him) get wound up about.

For example, what would have been a "proportionate response" to Hamas roasting Israeli babies and murdering 1200 people?

"Proportionate response" is long distance politician speak; it doesn't deal with what Israel faces: killer rockets coming from Lebanon onto Israeli homes.

Hezbollah needs to be eradicated but can be tolerated if they don't attack Israel.

So - what do you think Israel's response to Hezbollah should have been?

Hugh 11-04-2026 06:54
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https://archive.ph/GAHcD

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“Lebanon has changed the context of the talks,” Mr. Nasr said. Iran has stressed its view that the cease-fire was supposed to apply to Lebanon. Although Mr. Vance on Wednesday claimed there had been a “misunderstanding” over the status of Lebanon, Mr. Sharif’s announcement of the deal — which was edited in advance by the Trump White House — called for an end to the fighting there.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213754)
The "proportionate response" is what the long distance onlookers who don't like Netanyahu (and I don't like him) get wound up about.

For example, what would have been a "proportionate response" to Hamas roasting Israeli babies and murdering 1200 people?

"Proportionate response" is long distance politician speak; it doesn't deal with what Israel faces: killer rockets coming from Lebanon onto Israeli homes.

Hezbollah needs to be eradicated but can be tolerated if they don't attack Israel.

So - what do you think Israel's response to Hezbollah should have been?
Whilst the Hamas actions on October 7th (and other dates) are indefensible, it’s difficult to describe a "proportionate response" to something that most likely didn’t happen…

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...inian_Conflict

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Legal and Ethical Dimensions of Misinformation in Conflict Zones: Case Study of the 'Babies in Ovens' Allegation and International Responses to the Israeli- Palestinian Conflict…

…One particularly egregious example of misinformation during a conflict is the "babies in ovens" story that emerged from the Israel-Hamas conflict on October 7, 2023. This story alleged that Hamas militants had burned babies alive in ovens during their attacks on Israeli communities. The claim quickly spread across social media and was reported by various media outlets, leading to widespread outrage and condemnation. However, investigations into these claims revealed significant inconsistencies and a lack of verifiable evidence. Eyewitness accounts and statements from involved organizations contradicted the initial reports, highlighting the story as an example of misinformation in a conflict zone…

…The verification process for the "babies in ovens" story was notably lacking. Initial reports were based on second-hand accounts and anecdotal evidence without direct corroboration from credible sources. As the story spread, several journalists and fact-checkers, including those from Haaretz and other investigative outlets, attempted to verify the claims. They found significant discrepancies and a lack of concrete evidence supporting the narrative. For instance, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and other official bodies did not corroborate the details of the story, and further investigation revealed that no babies were reported to have been killed in such a manner.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/i...october-attack

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Another story claimed that an Israeli baby was found burned in an oven, which originated from Eli Beer, the president of United Hatzalah of Israel, a volunteer emergency medical services organisation.

Haaretz also found this story to be false. A source from United Hatzalah told Haaretz the claim originated from a volunteer who thought he saw that baby and relayed it to Beer inaccurately.

1andrew1 11-04-2026 10:48
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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36213748)
Now, tell me what is likely to happen, their family, children will think either, 'oh best not mess with Israel again', or think, 'the Israelis killed my family who were simple bakers - I want to kill every Israeli/Jew’ (because they are the same, no)? They have managed to radicalise an entire new generation - well done Bibi!

Short termism - he has managed, I suspect for his own ends, to prolong the suffering on both sides.
Exactly this! Netanyahu has condemned more generations of innocent folk in Israel to terrorist attacks in order to keep himself out of jail.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36213785)
https://archive.ph/GAHcD

Whilst the Hamas actions on October 7th (and other dates) are indefensible, it’s difficult to describe a "proportionate response" to something that most likely didn’t happen…

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...inian_Conflict

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/i...october-attack
I would be interested in knowing Seph's sources for his claims.

Sephiroth 11-04-2026 12:15
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36213792)
Exactly this! Netanyahu has condemned more generations of innocent folk in Israel to terrorist attacks in order to keep himself out of jail.

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I would be interested in knowing Seph's sources for his claims.
There you have it: “Terrorist attacks”. The clue is in the word “terrorist”. The terrorists attack,Israel responds. What is a “proportional response” to a terrorist rocket that kills, say, three Israelis?

As to the notion that Lebanese people will hate Israel more because of the retaliation, they hated Israel before such incidents. Indeed, the Jews are seen across the Shia Muslim world as the devil to be exterminated. What is “proportional”? None of you Starmerites (for that is how you come across) can answer that. In the meantine, Shia terrorism continues.

Regarding the roasting of babies, there are many accounts from witnesses. There are a greater number of contra-accounts. Whatever Hamas did or didn’t do, they murdered, raped and kidnapped. What’s “proportional” in terms of a response? I regard Israel’s attack on the root, Iran, as entirely proportional to try to cut off the gorgon’s head.

On top of that, Netanyahu is a bad egg who nevertheless has a country to defend.

Hugh 11-04-2026 13:51
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213795)
There you have it: “Terrorist attacks”. The clue is in the word “terrorist”. The terrorists attack,Israel responds. What is a “proportional response” to a terrorist rocket that kills, say, three Israelis?

As to the notion that Lebanese people will hate Israel more because of the retaliation, they hated Israel before such incidents. Indeed, the Jews are seen across the Shia Muslim world as the devil to be exterminated. What is “proportional”? None of you Starmerites (for that is how you come across) can answer that. In the meantine, Shia terrorism continues.

Regarding the roasting of babies, there are many accounts from witnesses.

There are a greater number of contra-accounts. Whatever Hamas did or didn’t do, they murdered, raped and kidnapped. What’s “proportional” in terms of a response? I regard Israel’s attack on the root, Iran, as entirely proportional to try to cut off the gorgon’s head.

On top of that, Netanyahu is a bad egg who nevertheless has a country to defend.
That is not an accurate reflection of actuality - it was all based on one witness’s account, which could not be verified…

As posted previously

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the claim originated from a volunteer who thought he saw that baby and relayed it to Beer inaccurately.
And further to that

https://www.sochfactcheck.com/media-...oven-by-hamas/

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Soch Fact Check later reached out to Fake Reporter, inquiring whether they conducted any recent investigations on this matter. They guided us to a Haaretz article which, referencing the story about a baby in an oven, clarifies: “United Hatzalah President Eli Beer told of a baby that was placed in an oven and burned to death. Beer made the remarks at a donors conference in the United States. The British newspaper The Daily Mail changed it from “baby” to “babies.”

But this story also is not true. Ten-month-old Mila Cohen was murdered in the massacre, along with the baby still in the womb of her mother who died after her mother was shot on the way to hospital. The police have no evidence showing that other babies were killed. A source at United Hatzalah said a volunteer mistakenly interpreted a case at the Shura base and passed the inaccuracy on to Beer.”

Sephiroth 11-04-2026 14:05
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You're just focused on roasting babies. I went on to say:

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Whatever Hamas did or didn’t do, they murdered, raped and kidnapped. What’s “proportional” in terms of a response? I regard Israel’s attack on the root, Iran, as entirely proportional to try to cut off the gorgon’s head.

Hugh 11-04-2026 14:50
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213799)
You're just focused on roasting babies. I went on to say:
tbf, you started the focus on "roasting babies"…

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For example, what would have been a "proportionate response" to Hamas roasting Israeli babies and murdering 1200 people?
And I pointed out that there couldn’t be a proportionate response to something that can’t be proven to have happened…

And if you’re changing the focus to the "murdering 1200 people" (which was evil and abhorrent), well, Israel showed they believed the "proportionate response" was killing 70,000+ Gazans…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgpd1x00exo

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Israeli media cite official accepting Hamas figure of 70,000 war dead

Israeli media report that a senior security source has said the military accepts that more than 70,000 Palestinians have been killed during the war in Gaza.
Israel has previously cast doubt on figures from the Hamas-run health ministry.
But their figures have been deemed reliable by the UN and other human rights groups and widely cited by international media.

The war began after the Hamas-led attack on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, when about 1,200 other people were killed and 251 were taken hostage.

Israel responded by launching a military campaign in Gaza, during which more than 71,660 people have been killed, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

It says at least 492 Palestinians have been killed since a ceasefire began on 10 October 2025. Four Israeli soldiers have also been killed.

Israel has always disputed the Hamas figures and said before last year's ceasefire it had killed 1,600 fighters since 7 October 2023 and another 22,000 combatants in the war.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) previously said it believed two or three civilians had been killed for every dead militant.

Now a senior military source has indicated to Israeli journalists, including those from Haaretz and the Times of Israel, external, that the total number given by the Hamas health ministry is largely accurate, even though they have not been able to break down how many were combatants and how many died as a direct result of the fighting.

Sephiroth 11-04-2026 15:04
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It's clear from our exchanges, that I recognise the disputed account. I have moved on as follows:

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Whatever Hamas did or didn’t do, they murdered, raped and kidnapped. What’s “proportional” in terms of a response? I regard Israel’s attack on the root, Iran, as entirely proportional to try to cut off the gorgon’s head

GrimUpNorth 11-04-2026 20:53
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213803)
It's clear from our exchanges, that I recognise the disputed account. I have moved on as follows:
So we can take it you feel nearly 60 Gazan's for 1 Israel is a proportionate response and that you value the lives of certain people so little compared to the Israelis.

I think all live is precious and goes too quickly without some crazy (whatever side they are from) snuffing it out for some misguided belief.

Sephiroth 12-04-2026 11:30
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36213817)
So we can take it you feel nearly 60 Gazan's for 1 Israel is a proportionate response and that you value the lives of certain people so little compared to the Israelis.

I think all live is precious and goes too quickly without some crazy (whatever side they are from) snuffing it out for some misguided belief.
This is what you lot do: Avoid answering the question of what would be a "proportionate response" to what Hamas did (and what Hezbollah are doing).

My difficulty with your question is nobody wants innocent civilians to die. But when something as horrible as what Hamas did happens, and when Hamas then hides in schools and hospitals, if Israel does nothing, it'll happen again and again. So you have target and fight the swine and the collateral damage becomes, regrettably, unavoidable.

So, what would be "proportionate response" to what Hamas did?

mrmistoffelees 12-04-2026 11:59
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213837)
This is what you lot do: Avoid answering the question of what would be a "proportionate response" to what Hamas did (and what Hezbollah are doing).

My difficulty with your question is nobody wants innocent civilians to die. But when something as horrible as what Hamas did happens, and when Hamas then hides in schools and hospitals, if Israel does nothing, it'll happen again and again. So you have target and fight the swine and the collateral damage becomes, regrettably, unavoidable.

So, what would be "proportionate response" to what Hamas did?
So, unless someone can state what exactly a proportionate response is then Israel’s response is by default proportionate ? Is that what you’re saying ?

Israel is very well known in intelligence circles for its lack of care whilst striking targets. It’s forces quite simply do not care about collateral damage

And as per usual their victim mentality comes to the surface as soon as someone criticises them (Spain in this case) with cries of anti-semitism

Israel is becoming recognised (at an accelerated rate) by the international community as a pariah state, entirely deserved due its war mongering leader and its lunatic right wing coalition

Hugh 12-04-2026 13:24
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"You're not blockading the Strait of Hormuz, I am!!!"


https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1776009489


1968: We had to destroy the village in order to save it


2026: We had to blockade the Strait in order to open it up

Sephiroth 12-04-2026 15:29
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36213838)
So, unless someone can state what exactly a proportionate response is then Israel’s response is by default proportionate ? Is that what you’re saying ?

Israel is very well known in intelligence circles for its lack of care whilst striking targets. It’s forces quite simply do not care about collateral damage

And as per usual their victim mentality comes to the surface as soon as someone criticises them (Spain in this case) with cries of anti-semitism

Israel is becoming recognised (at an accelerated rate) by the international community as a pariah state, entirely deserved due its war mongering leader and its lunatic right wing coalition
You're doing it too. People like you are criticising Israel for not making a "proportionate response" to the Hamas & Hezbollah attacks. Yet they cannot/do not offer a suggestion as to what would be a "proportionate response" to attacker organisations dedicated to the obliteration of Israel.

If there hadn't been a "lunatic right-wing coalition" in Israel, what might a "proportionate respnse" been?

mrmistoffelees 12-04-2026 16:30
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213841)
You're doing it too. People like you are criticising Israel for not making a "proportionate response" to the Hamas & Hezbollah attacks. Yet they cannot/do not offer a suggestion as to what would be a "proportionate response" to attacker organisations dedicated to the obliteration of Israel.

If there hadn't been a "lunatic right-wing coalition" in Israel, what might a "proportionate respnse" been?
You’ve completely failed to answer my initial question. do that then let’s discuss

What I can tell you is a proportionate response doesn’t include the alleged torture of a 21 month old toddler via burning them with cigarettes

Paul 12-04-2026 17:26
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213841)
You're doing it too.
Is everyone "out to get you" as well ?

GrimUpNorth 12-04-2026 18:55
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213837)
This is what you lot do: Avoid answering the question of what would be a "proportionate response" to what Hamas did (and what Hezbollah are doing).

My difficulty with your question is nobody wants innocent civilians to die. But when something as horrible as what Hamas did happens, and when Hamas then hides in schools and hospitals, if Israel does nothing, it'll happen again and again. So you have target and fight the swine and the collateral damage becomes, regrettably, unavoidable.

So, what would be "proportionate response" to what Hamas did?
What would be a proportionate response would be tracking down the orchestrators and bring the to justice or if not possible then dispatch them in a measured way to minimise collateral damage. I'd be surprised if they didn't know where the people responsible were - after all it's the excuse they use time after time form destroying every building for 100's of metres in every direction.

Have they not realised all this carpet bombing does is make your enemy younger? How many children are now going to grow up full of hatred? Hatred not based on what they're told but based on what they've experienced. Look at Iran, they've managed to replace the old regime with a new younger version.

This will never end until one side decides to do things differently. Sticking my tongue in boiling water over and over expecting not to get burned is stupid, but both sides in the middle east seem happy to keep trying :confused:.

jem 12-04-2026 19:46
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A ‘proportionate response’ actually can’t be defined, it’s more of a ‘what do most people think is acceptable’.

For example, say that back in the 1970s the IRA detonate a bomb in London (which they did), killing, say 50 people. Would nuking Dublin be seen as ‘proportionate’? Obviously no, so we didn’t. What we would do was to slowly identify the individuals responsible and take direct action against them. It took time. Which was exactly the reaction of Israel following the 1972 Olympic Games attack. Operation ‘Wrath of God’ took years, and carefully targeted and killed those responsible - and yes some innocents were killed in the operation, which is regrettable but probably unavoidable.

The 2023 massacre of Israelis was and is utterly inexcusable and everyone involved in the planning and execution of it, yes, frankly needs to die. Fine.

In the days following the attack Israel had the sympathy of most of the World, but they have managed to burn that all away. To the point where now Israel is seen as the aggressor, in the wrong, needs to be stopped.....

How, just how have Israel managed to switch from being the victim to the aggressor. Is it Netanyahu’s desperation to avoid legal action for a while?

1andrew1 12-04-2026 21:25
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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36213850)
How, just how have Israel managed to switch from being the victim to the aggressor. Is it Netanyahu’s desperation to avoid legal action for a while?
Yes


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