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pip08456 08-01-2021 18:55
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
BREAKING: We are moving forward with introducing Articles of Impeachment against President Donald J. Trump. (Rep. Dianna DeGette)

jfman 08-01-2021 18:57
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36065836)
Isn't that giving into terrorists?
Fine line between giving in to them and simply not provoking them further and I think, perhaps by accident more than design, papa may have found the latter.

Mick 08-01-2021 20:35
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36065861)
BREAKING: We are moving forward with introducing Articles of Impeachment against President Donald J. Trump. (Rep. Dianna DeGette)
What an absolutely pointless move but nothing surprises me with the dumb Democrats. It takes two thirds majority in the Senate for the impeachment to have any effect, Republican Senators of which there is still 50, some may entertain it but not all of them, certainly not more than 17. Remember some of them will be running again in the Mid terms.

But the dumb Democrats - On one hand they plea for unity to Trump's base and then they go try to do something really dumb that will not lead to anything, except more tension with his base that will only get them more fired up, absolute dummies who have nothing else better to do.

jfman 08-01-2021 20:41
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065873)
What an absolutely pointless move but nothing surprises me with the dumb Democrats. It takes two thirds majority in the Senate for the impeachment to have any effect, Republican Senators of which there is still 50, some may entertain it but not all of them, certainly not more than 17. Remember some of them will be running again in the Mid terms.

But the dumb Democrats - On one hand they plea for unity to Trump's base and then they go try to do something really dumb that will not lead to anything, except more tension with his base that will only get them more fired up, absolute dummies who have nothing else better to do.
Apparently they can disqualify him from public office on a straight majority. The ultimate humiliation for a man reported to have contemplated a 2024 run announcement to coincide with the inauguration.

Mick 08-01-2021 20:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065875)
Apparently they can disqualify him from public office on a straight majority. The ultimate humiliation for a man reported to have contemplated a 2024 run announcement to coincide with the inauguration.
No they cannot - Impeachment in any form requires Senate vote too.

Mr K 08-01-2021 20:43
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065873)
What an absolutely pointless move but nothing surprises me with the dumb Democrats. It takes two thirds majority in the Senate for the impeachment to have any effect, Republican Senators of which there is still 50, some may entertain it but not all of them, certainly not more than 17. Remember some of them will be running again in the Mid terms.

But the dumb Democrats - On one hand they plea for unity to Trump's base and then they go try to do something really dumb that will not lead to anything, except more tension with his base that will only get them more fired up, absolute dummies who have nothing else better to do.
The dumb Democrats will soon have control of Congress the Senate and the Presidency. Not so dumb after all?

Who are dumb are the Republicans following Trump. He's destroyed the party for the foreseeable future. A shame as every democracy needs a decent opposition.

papa smurf 08-01-2021 20:46
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065873)
What an absolutely pointless move but nothing surprises me with the dumb Democrats. It takes two thirds majority in the Senate for the impeachment to have any effect, Republican Senators of which there is still 50, some may entertain it but not all of them, certainly not more than 17. Remember some of them will be running again in the Mid terms.

But the dumb Democrats - On one hand they plea for unity to Trump's base and then they go try to do something really dumb that will not lead to anything, except more tension with his base that will only get them more fired up, absolute dummies who have nothing else better to do.
This is Pelosi again, this dumb ass is just pouring petrol sorry gasoline on the fire, if anything kicks off again blame this evil witch.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36065877)
The dumb Democrats will soon have control of Congress the Senate and the Presidency. Not so dumb after all?

Who are dumb are the Republicans following Trump. He's destroyed the party for the foreseeable future. A shame as every democracy needs a decent opposition.
Really ours hasn't got one.

jfman 08-01-2021 20:47
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065876)
No they cannot - Impeachment in any form requires Senate vote too.
That’s why I didn’t say impeachment - I said disqualify him from public office.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4125422001

FWIW I’m not convinced it’s an effective use of time/effort for someone who won’t run in 2024.

Mr K 08-01-2021 20:47
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36065878)
This is Pelosi again, this dumb ass is just pouring petrol sorry gasoline on the fire, if anything kicks off again blame this evil witch.
So what 'evil' things has she done? Only one person caused the fire, and 4 deaths, and we know who that is.

pip08456 08-01-2021 20:50
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36065881)
So what 'evil' things has she done? Only one person caused the fire, and 4 deaths, and we know who that is.
5 deaths, one of whom was a member of DC Capitol Police.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/08/p...led/index.html

1andrew1 08-01-2021 20:59
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Here's a portion of the latest version of the articles of impeachment that will be formally introduced by House Judiciary Democrats on Monday, provided by a Democratic source. It includes one article: “incitement of insurrection.”

"President Trump’s conduct on January 6, 2021 was consistent with his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 presidential election. Those prior efforts include, but are not limited to, a phone call on January 2, 2021, in which President Trump urged Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to ‘‘find’’ enough votes to overturn the Georgia presidential election results and threatened Mr. Raffensperger if he failed to do so. In all of this, President Trump gravely endangered the security of the United States and its institutions of government. He threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power, and imperiled a coordinate branch of government. He thereby betrayed his trust as President, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States."
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/liv...day/index.html

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065880)
That’s why I didn’t say impeachment - I said disqualify him from public office.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4125422001

FWIW I’m not convinced it’s an effective use of time/effort for someone who won’t run in 2024.
Yup, the Trump brand is toxic so he won't be selected for 2024 and that goes for his family too.

But I think his opponents want to put a red mark in the history books against Trump which disqualifaction or impeachment would do.

Mick 08-01-2021 21:01
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065880)
That’s why I didn’t say impeachment - I said disqualify him from public office.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4125422001

FWIW I’m not convinced it’s an effective use of time/effort for someone who won’t run in 2024.
Disqualification still requires an impeachment conviction in the Senate, it is only after conviction in the Senate a further judgement of disqualification can be made via majority vote.

Quote:
The Constitution provides for removal from office on conviction and
also allows the further judgment of disqualification from holding further office. U.S. Const. art. I § 3 clause 7.

No vote is required on removal following conviction, since removal follows automatically from conviction under this constitutional provision. Deschler Ch 14 § 13.9.

But the further judgment of disqualification from holding future office requires a majority vote.

TheDaddy 08-01-2021 21:02
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36065878)

Really ours hasn't got one.
We haven't got a decent government either but then society gets the politicians it deserves

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065880)
That’s why I didn’t say impeachment - I said disqualify him from public office.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4125422001

FWIW I’m not convinced it’s an effective use of time/effort for someone who won’t run in 2024.
I think it'll just be playing into donny's hands, he'll simply keep on tweeting about how hard done by he is when there's a better than average chance he won't even stand next time round

Damien 08-01-2021 21:05
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
The disqualification is something that would incentivise some Republican senators though as it means he can't run in their primaries for next time, although anyone voting for it might also be screwing themselves.

I think it's better to just wait him out to be honest. He seems pretty chastened and has burnt through a lot of the remaining alliances he had. Keep the 25th in case he really goes off the rails but otherwise it's only a couple of weeks. He can't really do much if the team around him just slow-ball his orders and ignore any mad ones.

Mr K 08-01-2021 21:11
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Regardless of the political pros and cons of impeaching the nutter, there's the practical matter of an unhinged psychopath having his finger on World security.

jfman 08-01-2021 21:16
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36065889)
The disqualification is something that would incentivise some Republican senators though as it means he can't run in their primaries for next time, although anyone voting for it might also be screwing themselves.
They could nudge their friends ;)

Quote:
I think it's better to just wait him out to be honest. He seems pretty chastened and has burnt through a lot of the remaining alliances he had. Keep the 25th in case he really goes off the rails but otherwise it's only a couple of weeks. He can't really do much if the team around him just slow-ball his orders and ignore any mad ones.
Would any action now ‘expire’ when he leaves office or could the Senate pick up the mantle once they are the majority after Biden is in office?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36065891)
Regardless of the political pros and cons of impeaching the nutter, there's the practical matter of an unhinged psychopath having his finger on World security.
He almost certainly doesn’t in practice.

Mick 08-01-2021 21:17
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36065891)
Regardless of the political pros and cons of impeaching the nutter, there's the practical matter of an unhinged psychopath having his finger on World security.
He doesn't just have unilateral power to fire off a Nuke like that - the person taking the order would need justification for doing so, so calm yourself dear.

papa smurf 08-01-2021 21:17
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36065891)
Regardless of the political pros and cons of impeaching the nutter, there's the practical matter of an unhinged psychopath having his finger on World security.
joe hasn't taken over yet so you can sleep easy for now.

Mick 08-01-2021 21:26
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065894)
They could nudge their friends ;)



Would any action now ‘expire’ when he leaves office or could the Senate pick up the mantle once they are the majority after Biden is in office?[COLOR="Silver"]

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The Constitution is explicit, it requires two thirds majority vote in the Senate to convict. Democrats are at 50 seats in the new Senate session as are GOP, granted the Dem's have VP's vote to break the tie but impeachment conviction requires a 67 vote. The numbers don't stack up.

jfman 08-01-2021 21:29
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065902)
The Constitution is explicit, it requires two thirds majority vote in the Senate to convict. Democrats are at 50 seats in the new Senate session as are GOP, granted the Dem's have VP's vote to break the tie but impeachment conviction requires a 67 vote. The numbers don't stack up.
I was thinking can McConnell effectively run out the clock by not giving the motion time prior to swearing in of the two new Senators from Georgia.

Leaving the 67 issue to the side for now.

Paul 08-01-2021 21:30
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065894)
He almost certainly doesn’t in practice.
He kinda does.

Quote:
The United States has a two-man rule in place at nuclear launch facilities, and while only the president can order the release of nuclear weapons, the order must be verified by the secretary of defense to be an authentic order given by the president ....... This verification process deals solely with verifying that the order came from the actual president. The secretary of defense has no veto power and must comply with the president's order.
So basically the Secretary would have to act illegally to stop an attack order.

Mr K 08-01-2021 21:32
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065902)
The Constitution is explicit, it requires two thirds majority vote in the Senate to convict. Democrats are at 50 seats in the new Senate session as are GOP, granted the Dem's have VP's vote to break the tie but impeachment conviction requires a 67 vote. The numbers don't stack up.
You're assuming they all vote along party lines. There's many Republicans that have belatedly woken up to the damage Trump has done. Probably looking to their own political futures mind ;)

TheDaddy 08-01-2021 21:32
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065902)
The Constitution is explicit, it requires two thirds majority vote in the Senate to convict. Democrats are at 50 seats in the new Senate session as are GOP, granted the Dem's have VP's vote to break the tie but impeachment conviction requires a 67 vote. The numbers don't stack up.
I think they'd get the votes, the republicans never wanted him until he won and I doubt they'd want him to have a chance of winning for them again, nor do they want him setting up another party and splitting their vote

jfman 08-01-2021 21:35
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36065904)
He kinda does.

So basically the Secretary would have to act illegally to stop an attack order.
This late in the day I’d guess that’s an automatic 25th Amendment. I agree that Sec Defense has no veto but can raise the alarm to VP/Cabinet.

He may well be acting illegally but I reckon he’d get a pardon.

Mick 08-01-2021 21:39
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36065907)
I think they'd get the votes, the republicans never wanted him until he won and I doubt they'd want him to have a chance of winning for them again, nor do they want him setting up another party and splitting their vote
Yes but they have their own necks to save, when it comes to midterms, they would need to keep Trump base intact and don't forget that is 75 Million Republican votes, the highest amount they have ever had for a sitting president.

jfman 08-01-2021 21:47
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065913)
Yes but they have their own necks to save, when it comes to midterms, they would need to keep Trump base intact and don't forget that is 75 Million Republican votes, the highest amount they have ever had for a sitting president.
The bean counters are FiveThirtyEight reckon that down ballot Republicans outperformed Trump when you look at their performance in Senate races and House races.

While Trump has a base - not all 75 million Republican voters are his base. While the whole Democrat controlled House is up for election it’s only 1/3 of the Senate in 2022. That said with the Senate 50/50 I doubt Trump voters are going to stay home in 2022. Too much to lose to give a Biden/Harris administration four years of controlling Congress.

Damien 08-01-2021 21:48
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36065904)
He kinda does.


So basically the Secretary would have to act illegally to stop an attack order.
I imagine they would slow walk it to get the 25h enacted first and/or just take their chances that the next administration wouldn't press charges for their failure to act.

Mick 08-01-2021 21:49
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36065904)
He kinda does.


So basically the Secretary would have to act illegally to stop an attack order.
Yeah but no president can start a war all by himself, he can only act in a defensive posture, so if the US is under sudden attack, he can order a strike back in a emergency, he cannot just start wars without Congressional approval. Trump may be the Commander and Chief of the U.S Army but just cannot start a war on his own volition by firing off a nuke or two somewhere.

Damien 08-01-2021 21:52
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065918)
Yeah but no president can start a war all by himself, he can only act in a defensive posture, so if the US is under sudden attack, he can order a strike back in a emergency, he cannot just start wars without Congressional approval. Trump may be the Commander and Chief of the U.S Army but just cannot start a war on his own volition by firing off a nuke or two somewhere.
The President can order a nuclear attack without congress theoretically.

Mr K 08-01-2021 21:56
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065913)
Yes but they have their own necks to save, when it comes to midterms, they would need to keep Trump base intact and don't forget that is 75 Million Republican votes, the highest amount they have ever had for a sitting president.
And 81 million is more than any other Presidential candidate had got. Well done Joe !

The Republicans might have lost a few of their 75 million over the last few days. Well done Donald !

Mind you Donnie got 3 million votes less than Clinton in 2016... Go figure... Lying, thieving Republicans ;)

Mick 08-01-2021 22:05
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36065920)
And 81 million is more than any other Presidential candidate had got. Well done Joe !

The Republicans might have lost a few of their 75 million over the last few days. Well done Donald !

Mind you Donnie got 3 million votes less than Clinton in 2016... Go figure... Lying, thieving Republicans ;)
Hence why I said "sitting", Biden is not yet a sitting president and once he is, he would need to maintain his 81 Million in 4 years time, if he lives or is in office that long.

3 Million votes less, but Trump won more States in 2016, that's how Electoral College rolls because we cannot have people in California and New York just decide who they want for president and ignore the middle bits of the U.S can we?

Damien 08-01-2021 22:09
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065922)

3 Million votes less, but Trump won more States in 2016, that's how Electoral College rolls because we cannot have people in California and New York just decide who they want for president and ignore the middle bits of the U.S can we?
Sounds alright to me. 1 person, 1 vote. ;) People get to vote, not land mass.

1andrew1 08-01-2021 22:10
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36065920)
And 81 million is more than any other Presidential candidate had got. Well done Joe !

The Republicans might have lost a few of their 75 million over the last few days. Well done Donald !

Mind you Donnie got 3 million votes less than Clinton in 2016... Go figure... Lying, thieving Republicans ;)
It should be record votes every election as the population of the USA grows each year.

Since 1970, it's grown by some 50%.

Mr K 08-01-2021 22:12
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065922)
Hence why I said "sitting", Biden is not yet a sitting president and once he is, he would need to maintain his 81 Million in 4 years time, if he lives or is in office that long.

3 Million votes less, but Trump won more States in 2016, that's how Electoral College rolls because we cannot have people in California and New York just decide who they want for president and ignore the middle bits of the U.S can we?
Never understood that logic. Surely your vote should count the same no matter where you live? Our system isn't much better..

At least Donnie energised the electorate. I'm sure the losing Georgia senators are grateful ;)

Mick 08-01-2021 22:33
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36065925)
Never understood that logic. Surely your vote should count the same no matter where you live? Our system isn't much better..

At least Donnie energised the electorate. I'm sure the losing Georgia senators are grateful ;)
They lost by very minute amounts.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36065924)
It should be record votes every election as the population of the USA grows each year.

Since 1970, it's grown by some 50%.
I disagree.

That would not be fair on the rust belt would it, hence why Electoral College exists.

daveeb 08-01-2021 22:37
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36065923)
Sounds alright to me. 1 person, 1 vote. ;) People get to vote, not land mass.
Sounds alright to me too. Why should clumped together people count less than spread out people?

jfman 08-01-2021 22:38
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065927)
They lost by very minute amounts.
That’s American politics all over though - Bush won by 537 votes in Florida in 2000 but it’s a winner take all environment over states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia and Florida.

75 million votes in the wrong part of the country when 80 million in the right parts vote against you lead to defeat.

pip08456 08-01-2021 22:59
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
House Democrats are currently planning to introduce articles of impeachment against President Trump as soon as Monday, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/liv...m_source=twCNN

Paul 08-01-2021 23:08
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Can you impeach an ex-president ?
Doesnt seem like they have enough time otherwise.

TheDaddy 08-01-2021 23:17
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36065938)
Can you impeach an ex-president ?
Doesnt seem like they have enough time otherwise.
Iirc you can

jfman 08-01-2021 23:37
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Twitter have permanently suspended Donald Trump from their platform.

Dave42 08-01-2021 23:37
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065941)
Twitter have permanently suspended Donald Trump from their platform.
great news


As riot raged at Capitol, Trump tried to call senators to overturn election

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/08/p...iot/index.html

Hugh 09-01-2021 00:27
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065941)
Twitter have permanently suspended Donald Trump from their platform.
Winner of tonight’s best Tweet award...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1610151877

*John Barron

jfman 09-01-2021 00:33
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36065942)
great news


As riot raged at Capitol, Trump tried to call senators to overturn election

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/08/p...iot/index.html
I'm torn on the decision to remove him from Twitter. As a general rule I support free speech - you don't have to look particularly far across the internet to see people make fools of themselves propagating conspiracy theories. That said, naively perhaps, I've always believed that common sense would prevail.

When people are acting out insurrection in the United States simply because their candidate lost an election it's clear that these people have been radicalised. They are no different from Shamima Begum and her ilk going out to fight for Isis - they've gone down the rabbit hole of radicalisation that they are detached from obvious, observable reality. The most extreme Trump supporters will not believe the word of the independent judiciary. Karl Rove - Republican strategist - told Fox News that while 'hanky panky' inevitably happens in any election the idea that someone could steal a US election was ridiculous. The Supreme Court of the United States - with 6 Justices appointed by Republicans - had no interest in hearing the case.

Only a Trump concession, which would never ever happen, would placate them.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36065950)
Winner of tonight’s best Tweet award...
:D

Hugh 09-01-2021 00:36
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065951)
I'm torn on the decision to remove him from Twitter. As a general rule I support free speech - you don't have to look particularly far across the internet to see people make fools of themselves propagating conspiracy theories. That said, naively perhaps, I've always believed that common sense would prevail.

When people are acting out insurrection in the United States simply because their candidate lost an election it's clear that these people have been radicalised. They are no different from Shamima Begum and her ilk going out to fight for Isis - they've gone down the rabbit hole of radicalisation that they are detached from obvious, observable reality. The most extreme Trump supporters will not believe the word of the independent judiciary. Karl Rove - Republican strategist - told Fox News that while 'hanky panky' inevitably happens in any election the idea that someone could steal a US election was ridiculous. The Supreme Court of the United States - with 6 Justices appointed by Republicans - had no interest in hearing the case.

Only a Trump concession, which would never ever happen, would placate them.

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:D
Why they removed him.

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topic...uspension.html
Quote:
Assessment
We assessed the two Tweets referenced above under our Glorification of Violence policy, which aims to prevent the glorification of violence that could inspire others to replicate violent acts and determined that they were highly likely to encourage and inspire people to replicate the criminal acts that took place at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021

This determination is based on a number of factors, including:
President Trump’s statement that he will not be attending the Inauguration is being received by a number of his supporters as further confirmation that the election was not legitimate and is seen as him disavowing his previous claim made via two Tweets (1, 2) by his Deputy Chief of Staff, Dan Scavino, that there would be an “orderly transition” on January 20th.

The second Tweet may also serve as encouragement to those potentially considering violent acts that the Inauguration would be a “safe” target, as he will not be attending.

The use of the words “American Patriots” to describe some of his supporters is also being interpreted as support for those committing violent acts at the US Capitol.

The mention of his supporters having a “GIANT VOICE long into the future” and that “They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” is being interpreted as further indication that President Trump does not plan to facilitate an “orderly transition” and instead that he plans to continue to support, empower, and shield those who believe he won the election.

Plans for future armed protests have already begun proliferating on and off-Twitter, including a proposed secondary attack on the US Capitol and state capitol buildings on January 17, 2021.

As such, our determination is that the two Tweets above are likely to inspire others to replicate the violent acts that took place on January 6, 2021, and that there are multiple indicators that they are being received and understood as encouragement to do so.

Mick 09-01-2021 01:07
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Jack Dorsey = Fascist.

jfman 09-01-2021 01:13
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Read an entertaining tweet that the joke in South America is that the coup failed because there wasn't a US Embassy in Washington D.C. providing logistical support.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065955)
Jack Dorsey = Fascist.
Ah come on Mick, surely you must empathise with having the power to silence those who disagree with you. :D

Mick 09-01-2021 01:47
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065956)
Read an entertaining tweet that the joke in South America is that the coup failed because there wasn't a US Embassy in Washington D.C. providing logistical support.

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Ah come on Mick, surely you must empathise with having the power to silence those who disagree with you. :D
I’ve never banned anyone for disagreeing with me, at any time.

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Funnily enough. They banned his personal account but not the official potus handle. He’s also put out a message via press pool. They cannot silence him by simply banning him. Stupid fools.

jfman 09-01-2021 01:57
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
I don't think they are trying to silence him, simply curtail him.

Could he call for insurrection via @potus - probably not if it's run by Civil Servant type characters. I doubt he could call into question the results of a Federal Election on a US Government account without some process to call into question whether that's worthy of Government publications or it's the whim of a madman.

Funnily enough @NicolaSturgeon often gets critisism for not using @ScotGovFM for messaging from time to time, although the latter will retweet the personal account.

EDIT: Oh dear Twitter are now deleting @potus tweets, so they saw that ruse coming.

denphone 09-01-2021 05:31
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065941)
Twitter have permanently suspended Donald Trump from their platform.
And not before time, too..

Damien 09-01-2021 07:11
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
The fallout from this has been extraordinary. People are focusing on Trump but elsewhere we've had newly elected Congressmen/women being spotted at the march and at least one has been arrested by the FBI. The others - assuming there isn't an arrest for them coming - might be facing removal.

Two senators are getting condemnation from their local state parties and newspapers which backed them.

A police officer has been murdered which in DC carries a life sentence so at least one of the mod will be in serious trouble when the FBI catch up with them.

The FBI is also investigating if there was a plot to do more such as kill or take hostage Senators. There seems to have been people who turned up with ties and armed gear and posts on the now removed Trump subreddit discussing such things. The FBI no doubt will be going thought Reddit and other social media to see who else was conspiring.

TheDaddy 09-01-2021 07:35
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36065968)
The fallout from this has been extraordinary. People are focusing on Trump but elsewhere we've had newly elected Congressmen/women being spotted at the march and at least one has been arrested by the FBI. The others - assuming there isn't an arrest for them coming - might be facing removal.

Two senators are getting condemnation from their local state parties and newspapers which backed them.

A police officer has been murdered which in DC carries a life sentence so at least one of the mod will be in serious trouble when the FBI catch up with them.

The FBI is also investigating if there was a plot to do more such as kill or take hostage Senators. There seems to have been people who turned up with ties and armed gear and posts on the now removed Trump subreddit discussing such things. The FBI no doubt will be going thought Reddit and other social media to see who else was conspiring.
This is all very exciting but I feel we aren't talking enough about the guy who died after tasering himself in the balls

Damien 09-01-2021 09:21
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1784668.html

Lindsey Graham did a quick 180 on Trump after he became the President and was one of his loyalist allies. He breaks with him a bit and now he is a Traitor, learning the same lesson Mike Pence did that it doesn't matter how loyal you are they will turn on you.

1andrew1 09-01-2021 10:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065955)
Jack Dorsey = Fascist.
Can you expand a bit on your reasons please, Mick? Are you saying that social media owners should not be able to ban people?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36065968)
The fallout from this has been extraordinary. People are focusing on Trump but elsewhere we've had newly elected Congressmen/women being spotted at the march and at least one has been arrested by the FBI. The others - assuming there isn't an arrest for them coming - might be facing removal.

Two senators are getting condemnation from their local state parties and newspapers which backed them.

A police officer has been murdered which in DC carries a life sentence so at least one of the mod will be in serious trouble when the FBI catch up with them.

The FBI is also investigating if there was a plot to do more such as kill or take hostage Senators. There seems to have been people who turned up with ties and armed gear and posts on the now removed Trump subreddit discussing such things. The FBI no doubt will be going thought Reddit and other social media to see who else was conspiring.
Filming people inside Capitol House and posting it on social media was a bit daft as it provides evidence against fellow protestors/rioters/insurrectionists.

According to Trump himself, damage to such a property now carries a ten-year sentence. "I have authorized the Federal Government to arrest anyone who vandalizes or destroys any monument, statue or other such Federal property in the US with up to 10 years in prison, per the Veteran’s Memorial Preservation Act, or such other laws that may be pertinent.", the president wrote on Twitter.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9580916.html

Mick 09-01-2021 11:02
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Granted Twitter and Facebook are private companies, but Trump hated him or not is until 20th Jan the Democratically elected President of the United States. They have cut him off his preferred communication channels, in a fascists, overreach way.

Even folks from the other side are questioning the power these Big Techs have:

Jo Maugham:

Quote:
Has anyone worked out if it's a good thing that private capital gets to decide whether a democratically elected politician can speak directly to the people?
Anyone celebrating this mass censorship of a political leader just because you hate the man, remember, the pendulum can swing both ways.

1andrew1 09-01-2021 11:12
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065992)
Granted Twitter and Facebook are private companies, but Trump hated him or not is until 20th Jan the Democratically elected President of the United States. They have cut him off his preferred communication channels, in a fascists, overreach way.

Even folks from the other side are questioning the power these Big Techs have:

Jo Maugham:

Anyone celebrating this mass censorship of a political leader just because you hate the man, remember, the pendulum can swing both ways.
If social media owners then can't decide who is banned, which organisation should? Individual governments?

Chris 09-01-2021 11:21
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
You have the absolute right to free speech. If you find it impossible to abide by this document, then please feel free to contact one of the many good web hosting companies out there and set up an account, create your own discussion board and exercise that right to your hearts content.
https://www.cableforum.uk/about/21/terms-and-conditions

:angel:

It’s a difficult balancing act though. On the one hand these are commercial enterprises, they have ownership and they get criticised if they allow their property to be used to facilitate criminality. On the other hand they have deliberately sought market dominance and that gives them extraordinary power to control terms of public debate (unlike Cable Forum).

To be honest I’m a little more worried about Google and Apple denying access to their app stores to services like Parler. They are a step removed from what goes on within the app and it is an uncomfortable development if these two companies between them are going to decide this stuff for almost all mobile phone users in most of the world.

Google suspends Parler, Apple threatens to: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55598887

Damien 09-01-2021 11:22
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
The issue is they have so much power in being the main communication platforms on the internet that there is a real-world consequence to them deplatforming a politician. That said the flip side of that is there is a real-world consequence to them giving people a platform from which they can incite.

Trump has been a headache for ages for social media companies. I think they probably wanted to do this for ages but now Trump is on his way out, significantly weakened his support in congress and given them a reason they took it.

I really don't know the answer because we also don't want the Government regulating it either.

Mr K 09-01-2021 11:28
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36065997)
The issue is they have so much power in being the main communication platforms on the internet that there is a real-world consequence to them deplatforming a politician. That said the flip side of that is there is a real-world consequence to them giving people a platform from which they can incite.

Trump has been a headache for ages for social media companies. I think they probably wanted to do this for ages but now Trump is on his way out, significantly weakened his support in congress and given them a reason they took it.

I really don't know the answer because we also don't want the Government regulating it either.
Pretty clear myself where the line is. If you're advocating, harm injury, or inciting hate, then you're over the line. Otherwise you can spout whatever waffle you want. Trump was over the line repeatedly, not acting sooner has cost lives.

1andrew1 09-01-2021 11:41
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36065998)
Pretty clear myself where the line is. If you're advocating, harm injury, or inciting hate, then you're over the line. Otherwise you can spout whatever waffle you want. Trump was over the line repeatedly, not acting sooner has cost lives.
Yup - basically he broke the rules of the various social media platforms and the platform owners banned him. As is their right.

This seems to be a rule that holds true regardless of the size of the platform unless you believe that the Government has the right to over-rule site-owners.

If tech companies over-reach themseleves, then I can see governments getting more involved, perhaps insisting on independent appeals procedures, etc for the bigger sites. But I think they've been pretty patient with Trump, perhaps because he has driven large numbers to their platforms and for fear of a backlash from Trump's supporters.

Damien 09-01-2021 11:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36065996)
To be honest I’m a little more worried about Google and Apple denying access to their app stores to services like Parler. They are a step removed from what goes on within the app and it is an uncomfortable development if these two companies between them are going to decide this stuff for almost all mobile phone users in most of the world.

Google suspends Parler, Apple threatens to: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55598887
The biggest question there is if Amazon pull the plug since it's apparently hosted on their AWS services.

Some of the stuff on there though is direct advocacy of violence, it's pretty explicit look though some of the content on there. Even before the weekend, you had people whose Twitter accounts were more moderate whereas on Parlar they were directly advocating for people's deaths.

It might be a step removed from Apple/Google's reach but if the developers of the application are not showing any desire to remove this content and even openly celebrating the fact they won't then I think Apple/Google's decision is made a whole lot easier.

I think that is actually an easier decision than the Trump on Twitter one.

jfman 09-01-2021 11:45
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36065996)
On the other hand they have deliberately sought market dominance and that gives them extraordinary power to control terms of public debate (unlike Cable Forum).
However we have the only people worth debating with. ;)

1andrew1 09-01-2021 11:50
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36066000)
The biggest question there is if Amazon pull the plug since it's apparently hosted on their AWS services.

Some of the stuff on there though is direct advocacy of violence, it's pretty explicit look though some of the content on there. Even before the weekend, you had people whose Twitter accounts were more moderate whereas on Parlar they were directly advocating for people's deaths.

It might be a step removed from Apple/Google's reach but if the developers of the application are not showing any desire to remove this content and even openly celebrating the fact they won't then I think Apple/Google's decision is made a whole lot easier.

I think that is actually an easier decision than the Trump on Twitter one.
Yes. I think for Apple in particular it's a reputational one. A disillusioned teenager downloads an app on their iPhone, becomes radicalised and commits grave acts. The parents and media will blame Apple for making this easy.

Hugh 09-01-2021 12:03
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065992)
Granted Twitter and Facebook are private companies, but Trump hated him or not is until 20th Jan the Democratically elected President of the United States. They have cut him off his preferred communication channels, in a fascists, overreach way.

Even folks from the other side are questioning the power these Big Techs have:

Jo Maugham:



Anyone celebrating this mass censorship of a political leader just because you hate the man, remember, the pendulum can swing both ways.
He can still use the POTUS account until then...

On a lighter note (ish)
Quote:
What's the difference between the US Capitol Building and Mordor?

One does not simply walk into Mordor

Mick 09-01-2021 15:39
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
No he cannot use potus account, Dorsey locked that one and deleted the tweets Trump posted after his own personal one was locked.

Chris 09-01-2021 16:00
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36066022)
No he cannot use potus account, Dorsey locked that one and deleted the tweets Trump posted after his own personal one was locked.
They should phone us for help spotting and banning re-registrations and duplicate accounts, there was a time on CF when we were plagued by idiots and this became a primary mod skill. I’m sure we could come up with a reasonable hourly rate. :D

1andrew1 09-01-2021 16:31
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Quote:
Can Trump be impeached? Democrats plot move to oust 'unhinged' president over nuclear fears

Following the violent siege of the US Capitol, opponents are seeking the White House incumbent's immediate removal from office.

Moves are under way by Democrats in Congress to impeach Donald Trump for a historic second time, amid fears of the "unhinged" president having access to the nuclear codes.

In the wake of the violent siege of the US Capitol by Trump supporters that left five dead, opponents are seeking his immediate removal from office, declaring him "unstable".

With less than two weeks before he is due to leave the White House, there are also those within Mr Trump's own Republican Party who want to see him gone sooner.
On a private conference call with Democrats, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said: "We must take action."

Prominent Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska also told the Anchorage Daily News that Mr Trump "needs to get out".
https://news.sky.com/story/can-trump...fears-12183103

Damien 09-01-2021 16:37
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
https://twitter.com/sarajust/status/1347942663778168833

Quote:
Former Vice Presidents are not entitled to lifetime Secret Service protection the way former Presidents are. Trump lit a match that could mean Pence is in danger from this mob and like-minded people forever.
Now, if there was a way Pence could become President before he leaves office in a week......

1andrew1 09-01-2021 16:39
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36066032)
https://twitter.com/sarajust/status/1347942663778168833

Now, if there was a way Pence could become President before he leaves office in a week......
See what you're saying, Pence now has a pretty good motive for impeaching Trump!

Damien 09-01-2021 16:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
I imagine if there is a serious threat he'll get Secret Service project. Biden could probably order it anyway.

pip08456 09-01-2021 16:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36066032)
https://twitter.com/sarajust/status/1347942663778168833



Now, if there was a way Pence could become President before he leaves office in a week......
Then you would expect Pence to push forward with Ammendment 25.

Hugh 09-01-2021 16:47
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36066022)
No he cannot use potus account, Dorsey locked that one and deleted the tweets Trump posted after his own personal one was locked.
He/his staff can still use it, but not to re-post the tweets that got him banned (or more like them).

It's not locked/suspended - people have the ability to retweet/reply to previous tweets on it.

pip08456 09-01-2021 16:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065955)
Jack Dorsey = Fascist.
Factual infograph.:D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1610211488

Paul 09-01-2021 18:52
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
I read the reasons twitter gave for banning him.

They basically read as ;
"we are absolutely desperate to get rid of you, so we have 'interpreted' your tweets in the most wierd & obscure way we possibly could, to justify our actions"

I dont use TWITer so I wont miss him, and neither I suspect will most people, but the excuses given were very flimsey at best.

1andrew1 09-01-2021 19:14
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36066053)
I read the reasons twitter gave for banning him.

They basically read as ;
"we are absolutely desperate to get rid of you, so we have 'interpreted' your tweets in the most wierd & obscure way we possibly could, to justify our actions"

I dont use TWITer so I wont miss him, and neither I suspect will most people, but the excuses given were very flimsey at best.
Twitter didn't need to explain in detail why they banned his personal account, but they did. Given his previous incitement of the failed coup and the threat for this to be repeated, Twitter have acted with remarkable self-restraint.

Perhaps this has something to do with the usage of Twitter that Trump's active Tweeting has encouraged. "Never kill the goose that lays the golden egg, until you absolutely have to" seems to be the situation here.

Paul 09-01-2021 19:37
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Perhaps it was because the day ended with a "y". :rolleyes:

Mad Max 09-01-2021 19:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
There's probably loads of instances on twatter where the line has been overstepped, and no action is taken, because of who it is twatter are saying " hey, look at us we're the good guys"

Mr K 09-01-2021 20:37
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36066058)
There's probably loads of instances on twatter where the line has been overstepped, and no action is taken, because of who it is twatter are saying " hey, look at us we're the good guys"
There's not many instances of people 'overstepping the mark', causing deaths/insurrection/invasion of a national assembly, hoping to subvert a democratic vote, and possibly causing an international crisis/instabity.

Those in power, and that have that influence, need to behave better than any old interweb troll.

TheDaddy 09-01-2021 22:27
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
After events the other day Mexico has decided it will pay for the wall after all, Canada wants one to

Damien 09-01-2021 22:41
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Twitter have a difficult problem with Trump because in isolation what he has been saying probably isn't enough to ban him entirely but faced with his following and the context of the violence on Wednesday there is always the risk he kicks things off again.

Now they're going to be forever faced with questions of 'why isn't 'y' banned'? The line is clearly flexible and based on judgement calls.

papa smurf 10-01-2021 09:06
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36066074)
Twitter have a difficult problem with Trump because in isolation what he has been saying probably isn't enough to ban him entirely but faced with his following and the context of the violence on Wednesday there is always the risk he kicks things off again.

Now they're going to be forever faced with questions of 'why isn't 'y' banned'? The line is clearly flexible and based on judgement calls.
No, it's based on who you vote for.

Hugh 10-01-2021 09:33
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36066089)
No, it's based on who you vote for.
It’s based on actions, which is aligned, in this case, with how they voted...

They gave him free reign for 10 years because it got them more subscribers - that was the issue, not the fact they finally worked up enough gumption to stop his rants that gave those who stormed the Capitol tacit support.

Damien 10-01-2021 22:18
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
The stories of what happened on Wednesday are coming out and what we're seeing is that this came close to be even worse. People had turned up with weapons, in one case pipebombs, and with zip ties as at least some of them were trying to find senators. There were chants of 'Hang Mike Pence'. Also staff of Nancy Pelosi were in an office beyond her office that had been invaded, one door away from the protestors who thankfully didn't inquire enough to break in further. One person has been arrested after he turned up with a rifle and had told people on social media that he wanted to shoot Pelsoi: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cy-Pelosi.html

It's unbelievable how bad it almost became. It is terrorism.

Dave42 10-01-2021 22:30
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36066145)
The stories of what happened on Wednesday are coming out and what we're seeing is that this came close to be even worse. People had turned up with weapons, in one case pipebombs, and with zip ties as at least some of them were trying to find senators. There were chants of 'Hang Mike Pence'. Also staff of Nancy Pelosi were in an office beyond her office that had been invaded, one door away from the protestors who thankfully didn't inquire enough to break in further. One person has been arrested after he turned up with a rifle and had told people on social media that he wanted to shoot Pelsoi: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cy-Pelosi.html

It's unbelievable how bad it almost became. It is terrorism.
exactly it is terrorists trying a coup attempt thankfully it failed

1andrew1 10-01-2021 22:46
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36066145)
The stories of what happened on Wednesday are coming out and what we're seeing is that this came close to be even worse. People had turned up with weapons, in one case pipebombs, and with zip ties as at least some of them were trying to find senators. There were chants of 'Hang Mike Pence'. Also staff of Nancy Pelosi were in an office beyond her office that had been invaded, one door away from the protestors who thankfully didn't inquire enough to break in further. One person has been arrested after he turned up with a rifle and had told people on social media that he wanted to shoot Pelsoi: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cy-Pelosi.html

It's unbelievable how bad it almost became. It is terrorism.
It's pretty unbelievable for this to have occurred in what is a mature democracy.

Pierre 11-01-2021 09:25
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36066149)
It's pretty unbelievable for this to have occurred in what is a mature democracy.
Not really. this is what happens when people think democracy has failed them, or they have been cheated.

People refused to accept Trump as president and now the other side is refusing to accept Biden.

papa smurf 11-01-2021 09:32
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36066157)
Not really. this is what happens when people think democracy has failed them, or they have been cheated.

People refused to accept Trump as president and now the other side is refusing to accept Biden.
Some have very short memories, they should have a peoples vote;)

Mr K 11-01-2021 09:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36066157)
Not really. this is what happens when people think democracy has failed them, or they have been cheated.

People refused to accept Trump as president and now the other side is refusing to accept Biden.
More likely its because a few in influential folk in security let them walk in. Either through incompetence or deliberately. A few sackings in order I think.

Those that didn't want Trump as President didn't invade the Capitol and kill people.

Pierre 11-01-2021 09:58
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36066159)
More likely its because a few in influential folk in security let them walk in. Either through incompetence or deliberately. A few sackings in order I think.

Those that didn't want Trump as President didn't invade the Capitol and kill people.
Antifa & BLM trashed cities all over the US for months.

https://www.heritage.org/progressivi...r-the-election

Lots of people have been killed...on both sides.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-unrest-acled


funny thing is though try to find any news articles on the months and months of Left wing violence in America, on Google at least, and there is very little..........................

Almost as if some major corporation is controlling the news and flow of information....................

Nah, I'm just imagining it.

Chris 11-01-2021 10:03
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36066000)
The biggest question there is if Amazon pull the plug since it's apparently hosted on their AWS services.

Some of the stuff on there though is direct advocacy of violence, it's pretty explicit look though some of the content on there. Even before the weekend, you had people whose Twitter accounts were more moderate whereas on Parlar they were directly advocating for people's deaths.

It might be a step removed from Apple/Google's reach but if the developers of the application are not showing any desire to remove this content and even openly celebrating the fact they won't then I think Apple/Google's decision is made a whole lot easier.

I think that is actually an easier decision than the Trump on Twitter one.
Amazon AWS has now pulled the plug on Parler.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55615214

Mr K 11-01-2021 10:12
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
This is going to hurt Donnie more than any Twitter ban. They've taken the golf away from him ! :D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/55615022
Quote:
Trump National in Bedminster has been stripped of the US PGA Championship in 2022 as its organisers felt using the course as host would be "detrimental".

The PGA of America voted to terminate the agreement on Sunday.

US President Donald Trump, who owns the course, has been accused by Democrats and some Republicans of encouraging last Wednesday's riot in Congress.

A representative for the Trump Organization said they were "incredibly disappointed" with the decision.

Hugh 11-01-2021 10:16
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36066157)
Not really. this is what happens when people think democracy has failed them, or they have been cheated.

People refused to accept Trump as president and now the other side is refusing to accept Biden.
They introduced a false idea, spreading it by every available means (Fox, Twitter, etc.). Then, once people are talking about it, and some believe it, they cited its prevalence as evidence that it might be true - this is the trick by which the propaganda and lies they spread validates itself.

I don’t remember before Trump’s inauguration the losing Candidate refusing to accept the result, or gee-ing up her supporters to march on Congress?

Pierre 11-01-2021 10:22
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36066165)
This is going to hurt Donnie more than any Twitter ban. They've taken the golf away from him ! :D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/55615022
The program to fully ostracize Trump is now a go.

Given that much of the "Trump" branded hotels and buildings are actually owned by other people and his name is licenced, expect to see many of these buildings renamed very soon.

Business is business, but expect to see anyone that does business with Trump, themselves ostracized.

It's fairly agreed that Trumps business empire is a bit of a house of cards, expect to see the cards fall.

---------- Post added at 10:22 ---------- Previous post was at 10:17 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36066166)
I don’t remember before Trump’s inauguration the losing Candidate refusing to accept the result, or gee-ing up her supporters to march on Congress?
True, Obama didn't.

However, the Democrats have never recognised the legitimacy of Trumps presidency and have done everything they possibly could to remove a democratically elected president.

Don't get me wrong, the republicans did the same with Obama, casting doubt on his status as a US citizen,

And I'm pretty sure the democrats tried and failed to impeach GWB, and Clinton was definitely impeached.

So the US has a long history of trying to remove their elected presidents, so why would anybody be surprised that we have got to this point?

tweetiepooh 11-01-2021 10:26
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36066167)
.

So the US has a long history of trying to remove their elected presidents, so why would anybody be surprised that we have got to this point?
Not surprising at all, the whole country was founded on violently removing their rightful rulers.:angel:

jfman 11-01-2021 10:36
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
And built upon slavery the only difference is now the people are enslaved by capitalism and a system that doesn’t represent their interests.

It’s as true when Trump says it to his supporters (the ones you see) as when Black Lives Matter leaders tell their supporters.

Damien 11-01-2021 10:36
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36066167)
True, Obama didn't.

However, the Democrats have never recognised the legitimacy of Trumps presidency and have done everything they possibly could to remove a democratically elected president.

Don't get me wrong, the republicans did the same with Obama, casting doubt on his status as a US citizen,

And I'm pretty sure the democrats tried and failed to impeach GWB, and Clinton was definitely impeached.

So the US has a long history of trying to remove their elected presidents, so why would anybody be surprised that we have got to this point?
Impeachment is a different kettle of fish to storming Congress with weapons looking for lawmakers whilst the President demands the Vice President doesn't certify the results.

People using - albeit maybe you can call it abusing - the Democratic process to unseat a President is at least using the mechanisms legally provided to them in order to do it.

Likewise, when Trump was using the courts to try and overturn the results it was within the bounds of normality because that's what they're are there for and - as predicted - the process held firm and he didn't get anywhere.

So then he demanded the Vice President do something he isn't legally able to do and his supports resorted to violence.

1andrew1 11-01-2021 11:35
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Useful insight.
Quote:
US Capitol riots: Arnold Schwarzenegger compares pro-Trump rioters to Nazis who attacked Jews during Night of Broken Glass

Arnold Schwarzenegger even uses the sword from Conan The Barbarian to illustrate his point about the value of democracy.

Arnold Schwarzenegger has compared the Donald Trump-supporting Capitol rioters to Nazis in a heartfelt video recalling his experience of growing up in the aftermath of the Second World War.

The movie star-turned-politician used his Twitter account to release an emotional piece to camera condemning the mob that stormed the building in Washington DC earlier this week.

In it, Schwarzenegger said the rampage was America's "Night of Broken Glass" - referring to the Kristallnacht of 1938 when shards of broken glass littered the streets of Nazi Germany after the windows of Jewish-owned stores, buildings and synagogues were smashed by paramilitary troops and civilians alike.

And he went further, describing the people who committed those acts as the "Nazi equivalent of the Proud Boys" - the far-right, neo-fascist, male-only American group of today, which Mr Trump has publicly failed to condemn and even mentioned during a presidential debate back in September.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-capito...glass-12184271

papa smurf 11-01-2021 11:39
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36066179)
The mans a prat.

1andrew1 11-01-2021 11:46
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36066167)

True, Obama didn't.

However, the Democrats have never recognised the legitimacy of Trumps presidency and have done everything they possibly could to remove a democratically elected president.

Don't get me wrong, the republicans did the same with Obama, casting doubt on his status as a US citizen,

And I'm pretty sure the democrats tried and failed to impeach GWB, and Clinton was definitely impeached.

So the US has a long history of trying to remove their elected presidents, so why would anybody be surprised that we have got to this point?
Eh? The Democrats ensured a smooth handover and attended Trump's inauguration.

The Democrats have not done everything they possibly could to remove a democratically elected president. Far from it. You only have to look at Trump's call for a march on Capitol Hill and phone calls to find votes to understand what everything possible looks like.

Yes, they've held Trump to account and impeached him but thy would be negligent not to have done so. That's a world apart from Trump's efforts.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36066180)
The mans a prat.
Playing the man and not the ball?

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36066171)
Impeachment is a different kettle of fish to storming Congress with weapons looking for lawmakers whilst the President demands the Vice President doesn't certify the results.

People using - albeit maybe you can call it abusing - the Democratic process to unseat a President is at least using the mechanisms legally provided to them in order to do it.

Likewise, when Trump was using the courts to try and overturn the results it was within the bounds of normality because that's what they're are there for and - as predicted - the process held firm and he didn't get anywhere.

So then he demanded the Vice President do something he isn't legally able to do and his supports resorted to violence.
Exactly. False equivalence.

Pierre 11-01-2021 11:51
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36066181)
The Democrats have not done everything they possibly could to remove a democratically elected president.
Earth to planet Andrew. Pointless getting into a debate with you if that's your starting point.


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