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OLD BOY 18-05-2019 10:55
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35995267)
One thing May got absolutely right, was a controlled and measured exit from 40+ years in the EU would be the least damaging to the economy.

Sadly, the whole Brexit issue has been taken over by the "instant gratification" of a crash out exit. The winners will be the disaster capitalists, the losers will be anyone on a restricted income.
There was nothing wrong in principle with the Withdrawal Agreement (apart from the backstop) which was only designed to be a temporary measure to help both sides with the transition. Provided that at the end of the two years we had a complete divorce from the EU with no strings, that was ok with me.

Whether the ERG has overplayed its hand, I'm not sure, but I guess we'll know some time before Christmas. Hopefully, the overwhelming win by the Brexit Party at the EU elections will send a message that Parliamentarians would be foolish to ignore, and we will then start making proper preparations to leave, with or without a deal.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995269)
If we do leave without a deal, there will be a lot of pain. Then the recriminations will start, Brexiters had better start of thinking about someone else to blame, as those that supported them will want answers. The tragedy is that the main protagonists Farrage, Bozza, JRM et al will be some of the few to be ok/benefit, quelle surprise ! The masses however will come after them with burning torches - they'll probably emigrate to France like that other keen Brexiter Nigel Lawson....
The sky would not fall in if we left. I see you are still deploying your Project Fear arguments, Mr K. It's only those Remainers who won't accept the result that are promoting this view. These arguments are simply not accepted by Brexiteers and the other thinking people who just want the democratic will of the people to be enforced.

In the end, everyone will benefit from a clean Brexit, as we will take the maximum opportunities out there to increase the wealth of the country.

Mr K 18-05-2019 11:02
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995271)
There was nothing wrong in principle with the Withdrawal Agreement (apart from the backstop) which was only designed to be a temporary measure to help both sides with the transition. Provided that at the end of the two years we had a complete divorce from the EU with no strings, that was ok with me.

Whether the ERG has overplayed its hand, I'm not sure, but I guess we'll know some time before Christmas. Hopefully, the overwhelming win by the Brexit Party at the EU elections will send a message that Parliamentarians would be foolish to ignore, and we will then start making proper preparations to leave, with or without a deal.

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The sky would not fall in if we left. I see you are still deploying your Project Fear arguments, Mr K. It's only those Remainers who won't accept the result that are promoting this view. These arguments are simply not accepted by Brexiteers and the other thinking people who just want the democratic will of the people to be enforced.

In the end, everyone will benefit from a clean Brexit, as we will take the maximum opportunities out there to increase the wealth of the country.
And everyone in Toyland lived Happily Ever After !
Meanwhile back in the real world, Little England became an irrelevance, as it's aging population continued to blame everyone else on why Brexit went wrong...

Maggy 18-05-2019 11:08
Re: Brexit
 
Insouciance will only take you so far..eventually one has to get serious about where you are going in the future.Lack of planning can cause so much grief and recrimination further down the line.

Hope for the best but expect the worst isn't a bad maxim for life.

OLD BOY 18-05-2019 12:08
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35995274)
Insouciance will only take you so far..eventually one has to get serious about where you are going in the future.Lack of planning can cause so much grief and recrimination further down the line.

Hope for the best but expect the worst isn't a bad maxim for life.
Increased trade with more countries, free from EU restrictions, is where we should be going. I see no reason to be fearful of that.

I fear the EU imploding while we're still part of it. That's the scary scenario.

Hugh 18-05-2019 15:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995279)
Increased trade with more countries, free from EU restrictions, is where we should be going. I see no reason to be fearful of that.

I fear the EU imploding while we're still part of it. That's the scary scenario.
That's along the lines of (and about as realistic as) "getting divorced isn't a problem - there's lots of attractive people out there who will want to go out with me". It doesn't matter how powerful/good looking you once were, it's how you are today that counts.

It's not that simple - the world is increasingly globalised, made up of large trading blocs, which have greater negotiating power over individual countries; the exceptions to this being the USA and China due to there large economic bases and populations.

If it's you against the world, bet on the world...

papa smurf 18-05-2019 16:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995287)
That's along the lines of (and about as realistic as) "getting divorced isn't a problem - there's lots of attractive people out there who will want to go out with me". It doesn't matter how powerful/good looking you once were, it's how you are today that counts.

It's not that simple - the world is increasingly globalised, made up of large trading blocs, which have greater negotiating power over individual countries; the exceptions to this being the USA and China due to there large economic bases and populations.

If it's you against the world, bet on the world...
Much better to stay in a failing relationship and make every one miserable Eh.

OLD BOY 18-05-2019 16:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995287)
That's along the lines of (and about as realistic as) "getting divorced isn't a problem - there's lots of attractive people out there who will want to go out with me". It doesn't matter how powerful/good looking you once were, it's how you are today that counts.

It's not that simple - the world is increasingly globalised, made up of large trading blocs, which have greater negotiating power over individual countries; the exceptions to this being the USA and China due to there large economic bases and populations.

If it's you against the world, bet on the world...
How come tiny Singapore is so successful, then? What about South Korea, Taiwan and Japan?

We are one of the world's largest economies and all you an see is the geographical area we occupy.

Britain is a force to be reckoned with and all you can see is doom and gloom.

Pierre 18-05-2019 16:56
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995287)
If it's you against the world, bet on the world...
Why are we “against” the world? We want to be “with” the world.

Mr K 18-05-2019 17:05
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35995294)
Why are we “against” the world? We want to be “with” the world.
We've got a funny way of showing it ! The EU are our largest trading partner and we're divorcing them.

Sephiroth 18-05-2019 17:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995296)
We've got a funny way of showing it ! The EU are our largest trading partner and we're divorcing them.
To regain our sovereignty.

TheDaddy 18-05-2019 17:31
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995269)
If we do leave without a deal, there will be a lot of pain. Then the recriminations will start, Brexiters had better start of thinking about someone else to blame, as those that supported them will want answers. The tragedy is that the main protagonists Farrage, Bozza, JRM et al will be some of the few to be ok/benefit, quelle surprise ! The masses however will come after them with burning torches - they'll probably emigrate to France like that other keen Brexiter Nigel Lawson....
They'll blame remainers, if only people had believed more they'll whine, conveniently ignoring all the stuff that's been pointed out to them for years by experts whose opinion they dismissed out of hand

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35995240)
As the Irish have been mentioned, on this morning's R4 Farming programme, an Irish farmer said that 52% of their beef exports go to the UK and that the Brexit turmoil was causing havoc to their industry.


May's weakness has allowed the tail to wag the dog instead of waving two fingers at the EU and its Backstop nonsense.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995241)
The backstop was our idea. And why are your posts in a silly colour.? ;)
Why are your posts in a silly colour

Mr K 18-05-2019 17:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35995297)
To regain our sovereignty.
Debatable we ever lost it, but sovereignty is a bit over rated, if it means we end up economically poor
.

Sephiroth 18-05-2019 17:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995307)
Debatable we ever lost it, but sovereignty is a bit over rated, if it means we end up economically poor
.
Why should we be economically poor? We're not Ireland, not Greece etc and nothing like them.

Pierre 18-05-2019 18:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995296)
We've got a funny way of showing it ! The EU are our largest trading partner and we're divorcing them.
We are divorcing the political union, they can and hopefully will still be our largest trading partner. Why do we have to be in a political union with them to still trade with them?

Mr K 18-05-2019 18:33
Re: Brexit
 
Sometimes I think those supporting Brexit, think it means we'll get the Empire back and most of the World will be pink again..... :rolleyes:

How many trade agreements has the wonderful Dr Fox set up ? How many do the EU have? If we do negotiate any deals we'll be on very weak ground and other countries will know it. The US, China, Russia and the EU will have strength, we on our own will not. Wake up to reality chaps.

Sephiroth 18-05-2019 18:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995315)
Sometimes I think those supporting Brexit, think it means we'll get the Empire back and most of the World will be pink again..... :rolleyes: [SEPH]: Sadly, we know that's what you sometimes think and it lets you down.

How many trade agreements has the wonderful Dr Fox set up ? How many do the EU have? If we do negotiate any deals we'll be on very weak ground and other countries will know it. The US, China, Russia and the EU will have strength, we on our own will not. Wake up to reality chaps. [SEPH]: A much better point to make.

papa smurf 18-05-2019 19:04
Re: Brexit
 
If we win the song contest i'll change my mind and fight to remain ;)

Pierre 18-05-2019 19:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995315)
Sometimes I think those supporting Brexit, think it means we'll get the Empire back and most of the World will be pink again.....
Well you’d be wrong then wouldn’t you.

Quote:
How many trade agreements has the wonderful Dr Fox set up ? How many do the EU have?
As you well know, we can't sign any deals until we leave. As to how many we have “ lined up” i don’t know, perhaps we’d be a bit more successful if the countries we hoped to do deals with actually thought that we were leaving. Why would you do a deal with us now? Why would you waste time and money trying to do a deal with a country whose Parliament wanted to remain in the EU??


Quote:
If we do negotiate any deals we'll be on very weak ground and other countries will know it. The US, China, Russia and the EU will have strength, we on our own will not. Wake up to reality chaps.
It’s a trade deal, not a hostage negotiation.

Angua 18-05-2019 19:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35995311)
We are divorcing the political union, they can and hopefully will still be our largest trading partner. Why do we have to be in a political union with them to still trade with them?
They will protect the Republic of Ireland as they are EU members.
Expecting an easy ride over trade as we are quitting the EU political union seems overly optimistic. Just like any large trading block, they hold the power.

Pierre 18-05-2019 19:45
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35995327)
They will protect the Republic of Ireland as they are EU members.
Expecting an easy ride over trade as we are quitting the EU political union seems overly optimistic. Just like any large trading block, they hold the power.

Easy ride over what exactly. What power?

we don’t need to be in a political union with them to trade with them.

Sephiroth 18-05-2019 20:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35995327)
They will protect the Republic of Ireland as they are EU members.
Expecting an easy ride over trade as we are quitting the EU political union seems overly optimistic. Just like any large trading block, they hold the power.
Well, of course. That's what May did wrong. She started out wanting a close and special relationship with the EU. They spotted her weakness and boom - they set the rules which she stupidly accepted. It would have been very different had we been preparing for No Deal right from the start and taking that position as one for the EU to solve if they didn't want tariffs on their goods.

Whilst on the subject of Ireland, which country immediately lent them 7 billion to tide them over at the financial crash? Yep - the UK and that's hoe that perfidious Varadkar thanks us. A reason on its own to leave with no deal.

Hugh 18-05-2019 20:59
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35995297)
To regain our sovereignty.
"sovereignty" won’t butter no muffins...

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35995289)
Much better to stay in a failing relationship and make every one miserable Eh.
Only if you believe it was a failing relationship - better for the kids (the U.K. population) if the parents tried to resolve any issues, rather than divorcing and making everyone worse off just because one of the partners had their head turned by a smooth talking Lothario* who schmoozed them by promising them the earth, but had no means, or intention, of trying to deliver it...

*our Nige

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35995329)
Easy ride over what exactly. What power?

we don’t need to be in a political union with them to trade with them.
No, but we have to negotiate with a bloc of 400 million people and a GDP six times the size of the U.K., which gives them the upper hand in negotiating.

Pierre 18-05-2019 21:20
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995331)
No, but we have to negotiate with a bloc of 400 million people and a GDP six times the size of the U.K., which gives them the upper hand in negotiating.
And what outrageous demands are you expecting from them as seen as we are absolutely aligned in regards to standards and regulations?

Sephiroth 18-05-2019 21:26
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995331)
"sovereignty" won’t butter no muffins...

<SNIP>
Sovereignty allows us to make our own way, our own muffins, without their domination, without their corrupt CAP, without their corrupt Fishing Rules, without things being skewed for France and Germany.

That's got to be worth something.

denphone 19-05-2019 06:58
Re: Brexit
 
More pain for Labour and the Conservatives.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ch-to-lib-dems

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...abandon-labour

1andrew1 19-05-2019 08:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35995206)
So which party was Farage a member of while his personal lifestyle was funded by Banks? He had stood down from UKIP and The Brexit party didn't exist.
He was an MEP whilst Banks was funding him.

Angua 19-05-2019 09:12
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35995335)
Sovereignty allows us to make our own way, our own muffins, without their domination, without their corrupt CAP, without their corrupt Fishing Rules, without things being skewed for France and Germany.

That's got to be worth something.
Sorry, but as soon as you try to claim corruption on fishing rules, it shows you have not been paying attention.

The UK is the only EU country that has sold fishing rights. What we have left is controlled by 5 companies, leaving independent UK fishermen fighting for the scraps.

Mick 19-05-2019 09:20
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35995349)
He was an MEP whilst Banks was funding him.
Wow, so what?

A Eurosceptic gives a Eurosceptic money. FFS this constant attacking of Farage is pathetic. Nothing illegal occurred so stop whinging, whose funding Change UK, whose funding the LedbyDonkey campaign, which is in turn, putting up pointless billboards, attacking Brexit Party?

Brexit Party is riding high in practically every poll, despite all this pathetic one sided bullshit about funding.

Pierre 19-05-2019 09:25
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35995350)
Sorry, but as soon as you try to claim corruption on fishing rules, it shows you have not been paying attention.

The UK is the only EU country that has sold fishing rights. What we have left is controlled by 5 companies, leaving independent UK fishermen fighting for the scraps.
That’s not quite accurate, but it is true that large FPOs control a large amount of the U.K. quota, but there is nothing wrong unusual in that.

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/201...-michael-gove/

Mick 19-05-2019 09:33
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995331)

[/COLOR]Only if you believe it was a failing relationship - better for the kids (the U.K. population) if the parents tried to resolve any issues,
Wrong as usual. Were you living under a rock when David Cameron tried to get reforms, tried to resolve our issues?

EU were not interested.

Have you gone blind to what they have planned?

They want to revoke the veto power, each Member State has, this is not making that disgusting corrupt entity reformed, it’s sowing the final stitches for greater dictatorship rights. The EU is Anti-Democratic. We need to get the hell out now, as we Democratically decided.

OLD BOY 19-05-2019 10:45
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35995349)
He was an MEP whilst Banks was funding him.
I'm not sure why you think this is a big issue. You are attacking Farage personally because you can't actually fault what he is saying. You are beginning to sound desperate.

Angua 19-05-2019 17:51
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995360)
I'm not sure why you think this is a big issue. You are attacking Farage personally because you can't actually fault what he is saying. You are beginning to sound desperate.
Banks support "in kind" to Farage should be declared, it wasn't.

As an MEP Farage will not be involved in Brexit negotiations, so the one pledge they seem to have cannot be implemented by them. No wonder he hasn't bothered with a manifesto.

papa smurf 19-05-2019 18:08
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995360)
I'm not sure why you think this is a big issue. You are attacking Farage personally because you can't actually fault what he is saying. You are beginning to sound desperate.
Brexit anxiety disorder [ BAD ]

For Britain’s pro-European middle classes, Brexit is akin to a psychological trauma which has left many unable to behave rationally, according to two leading experts. Far from being hyper-rational observers concerned only with what is economically sensible, many have morphed into the "Remainiacs" of Brexiteer disdain.

https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...-middle-class/

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Guess who's coming to dinner;)

White House chiefs call for Nigel Farage invitation to Trump’s royal banquet


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...e-brexit-party



That's a nice touch having president Trumps friend at the table.

pip08456 19-05-2019 18:12
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35995389)
Banks support "in kind" to Farage should be declared, it wasn't.

As an MEP Farage will not be involved in Brexit negotiations, so the one pledge they seem to have cannot be implemented by them. No wonder he hasn't bothered with a manifesto.
Wrong. Party support has to be declared.

OLD BOY 19-05-2019 19:01
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35995389)
Banks support "in kind" to Farage should be declared, it wasn't.

As an MEP Farage will not be involved in Brexit negotiations, so the one pledge they seem to have cannot be implemented by them. No wonder he hasn't bothered with a manifesto.
He has said his party will be a disruptive influence and will finally get the message through that the majority of UK citizens want out. An important message to parliamentarians will also be received if he trounces the EU elections.

I am sure Nigel Farage is quite capable of steering EU leaders towards the view that they really do have to let us go.

Why does he need a manifesto when everyone understands the situation and what he wants to deliver? How clear can it be?

pip08456 19-05-2019 19:44
Re: Brexit
 
I have oft wondered why remainers keep going on about the Brexit party not having a manefesto. IDK it could be I'm getting myself in "Game of Thrones" mode but here is what I think.

LibDem EU manifesto. Hello EU tell us what you want us to do, we'll roll over and you can tickle our bellies.

Labour EU manifesto. We haven't decided yet if we are a leave or remain party so if the EU don't mind what we'd like to do is push for a peoples vote then we don't have to decide anything.

Conservative EU manifesto. Well we think we want to leave but our leader is a remainer that keeps trying to get her withdrawal agreement through even though it can tie us into the EU for years to come and doesn't know her rectum from her elbow.

Brexit Party. No manifesto, leave.

Damien 19-05-2019 20:02
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35995394)
Wrong. Party support has to be declared.
Is that true for MEPs then?

Certainly MPs have to declare other income and donations although I am sure there will be outrage on here if the law dares make such a request of Mr Farage.

pip08456 19-05-2019 20:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35995416)
Is that true for MEPs then?

Certainly MPs have to declare other income and donations although I am sure there will be outrage on here if the law dares make such a request of Mr Farage.
If the law supported such a request then outrage would be wrong.

Please find where the law has been broken in Mr Farage's case. If you can, as a confirmed leaver I will support you and anyone else to force a legal resolution.

Put up or shut up!

Damien 19-05-2019 20:12
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35995418)
If the law supported such a request then outrage would be wrong.

Please find where the law has been broken in Mr Farage's case. If you can, as a confirmed leaver I will support you and anyone else to force a legal resolution.

Put up or shut up!
I didn't say it was against the law. I said it would be against Parliamentary rules, I think it's a law, if he did this as an MP. I literally do not know if the same applies for the EU. You would hope so.

As for criticism I think I'll continue and ignore your demand to 'shut up' since I want to hold politicians to a higher standard than not breaking the law. Although in case I have not been particularly animated about Farage's funding other than to point out that it's a valid question for the media to ask.

nomadking 19-05-2019 20:21
Re: Brexit
 
How can someone be accused of buying influence, when the whole aim was to remove that person from having any influence, not that they had any in the first place.:confused:

Hugh 19-05-2019 20:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35995416)
Is that true for MEPs then?

Certainly MPs have to declare other income and donations although I am sure there will be outrage on here if the law dares make such a request of Mr Farage.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8918946.html
Quote:
Nigel Farage is facing an investigation by European parliament authorities over claims that he failed to declare nearly half a million pounds in gifts from an insurance tycoon under investigation by the National Crime Agency.

It was claimed this week that the Brexit Party leader has been given as much as £450,000 in kind by Arron Banks, including a chauffeur-driven car, rent and bills on a £4.4m Chelsea home, and lavish trips to the United States to meet with right-wing politicians.

But none of the gifts, detailed in invoices seen by Channel 4 News, were declared on Mr Farage’s register of interests with the European parliament, which is designed to prevent MEPs from keeping their conflicts of interests secret.

In a letter seen by The Independent, one of the European parliament’s quaestors – MEPs responsible for the body’s financial and administrative matters – calls on the parliament’s presidency to “investigate these apparent contraventions as a matter of urgency”.

“As you will be aware, the code of conduct for members of the European parliament with respect to financial interests and conflicts of interest, in particular Article 6(1) of the implementing measures, makes it clear that members shall disclose their attendance at events organised by third parties where the reimbursement of their travel, accommodation or subsistence expenses, or the direct payments of such expenses, is covered by a third party,” Catherine Bearder, the quaestor who is also a Liberal Democrat MEP, said in the letter to Antonio Tajani, president of the European parliament.

“I can see no reference to any of the reported travel or accommodation subsidies related to Mr Farage’s US tour on any of his declarations of financial interests on the parliament’s website.”

1andrew1 19-05-2019 23:31
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995424)
Well found. Hopefully his supporters will stop their moaning and encourage him to come clean

Chris 20-05-2019 00:36
Re: Brexit
 
I’m curious whether Remainers on this thread genuinely believe any of this will dent the Brexit Party’s performance on Thursday. Whether or not there is substance to any of the allegations made against Farage, the manner and timing of them looks very much like an attempted character assassination.

Hugh 20-05-2019 00:52
Re: Brexit
 
Of course it won’t - Nigel can do no wrong.

There is substance - Nigel denied it, then Arron Banks said "yes, I did".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48315552
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When campaigning in Dudley, West Midlands, Mr Farage was asked if he had received £450,000 from Mr Banks and said "unfortunately not", adding that if he had, "it would be lovely".

But in a statement, Mr Banks said Mr Farage "would not have had a clue how much things would have cost".

The Leave.EU founder said he had "willingly helped Farage and was honoured to do so", adding: "This was all designed to help Nigel get out of politics."

"I considered it an honour to help and would do it happily again," Mr Banks said.
Reporting things that actually happened and Nigel denied actually happened ≠ character assassination.

denphone 20-05-2019 05:31
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35995429)
I’m curious whether Remainers on this thread genuinely believe any of this will dent the Brexit Party’s performance on Thursday.
Not in a month of Sunday's.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35995429)
Whether or not there is substance to any of the allegations made against Farage,
l suspect there is as politics as we know is rather a dirty business and usually there is no smoke without fire.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35995429)
the manner and timing of them looks very much like an attempted character assassination.
Welcome to the world of dirty British politics as were you not in politics Chris like Hugh? so you should know how it works.

Damien 20-05-2019 06:54
Re: Brexit
 
Yeah I don’t think it makes any difference. I doubt there is really anything that could come out by Farage that would.

Angua 20-05-2019 07:30
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35995419)
I didn't say it was against the law. I said it would be against Parliamentary rules, I think it's a law, if he did this as an MP. I literally do not know if the same applies for the EU. You would hope so.

As for criticism I think I'll continue and ignore your demand to 'shut up' since I want to hold politicians to a higher standard than not breaking the law. Although in case I have not been particularly animated about Farage's funding other than to point out that it's a valid question for the media to ask.
Similar rules apply for the EU parliament although they are somewhat poor at applying them.

The benefits "in kind" include being flown to the US, claims of "Party" benefit cannot wash, as Farage left UKIP and still personally benefitted from the house & car. Whilst more recently has been vehemently claiming no Brexit Party Ltd funding from Banks.

Maggy 20-05-2019 08:52
Re: Brexit
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...CMP=GTUK_email

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The Electoral Commission is under mounting pressure to launch an investigation into the funding of Nigel Farage’s Brexit party because of concerns that its donation structure could allow foreign interference in British democracy.

Damien 20-05-2019 09:00
Re: Brexit
 
It's probably going to the end of the £500 limit. It's not illegal to receive foreign donations of under £500, you would have to question why foreign donations of any sort are allowed.

It would be against the law if one person is using the £500 undeclared limit to make multiple donations undetected. Quite substantially so. However the only real way to make that easy to enforce would be to get rid of the £500 limit and have all political donations be domestic and trackable. Maybe even link it to the electoral register so every single donation has to be from someone entitled to vote in the election or a company who is registered in the U.K for tax purposes.

Mick 20-05-2019 09:32
Re: Brexit
 
Keep up with the pathetic one sided smears.

I laugh at those here who don’t bother to ask questions about Remain party donations, all this, whose funding who, bullshit, won’t stop me casting my vote for Brexit Party and I suspect it won’t for others who are determined to do so.

In other news. Brexit Party surges into second place in Scotland according to The Scotsman.

Damien 20-05-2019 09:41
Re: Brexit
 
Well as I said for the major parties their donations are declared routinely. The exception being Change UK and there are also questions about the Led by Donkeys' campaign. There were a lot of questions about the former when they started, they even incorporated themselves in such a way to obscure their donations at first.

The thing is I am perfectly fine with people demanding to know where their funding comes from. It's important to know. Why would I defend them just because they support Remain? I am happy with supporting Remain just as you are with supporting Leave. I don't feel compelling to suit up to defend the political parties or politicians themselves. I don't trust Change UK, the Liberals and certainly not Labour.

papa smurf 20-05-2019 09:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35995450)
Keep up with the pathetic one sided smears.

I laugh at those here who don’t bother to ask questions about Remain party donations, all this, whose funding who, bullshit, won’t stop me casting my vote for Brexit Party and I suspect it won’t for others who are determined to do so.

In other news. Brexit Party surges into second place in Scotland according to The Scotsman.
I expect all manor of crap to be thrown at Farage on the run up to the elections,then after a win it will be the usual calls of an illegal vote based on lies from the usual bunch of losers,personally i don't care i'm voting Brexit party on Thursday.

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Just had flyers through the letter box from
ukip
the greens :rofl:
The English democrats [never heard of them]but they wan't English this English that and English the other.

pip08456 20-05-2019 09:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35995452)
I expect all manor of crap to be thrown at Farage on the run up to the elections,then after a win it will be the usual calls of an illegal vote based on lies from the usual bunch of losers,personally i don't care i'm voting Brexit party on Thursday.
Don't forget the Russians!

Mick 20-05-2019 10:08
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35995389)
Banks support "in kind" to Farage should be declared, it wasn't.

As an MEP Farage will not be involved in Brexit negotiations, so the one pledge they seem to have cannot be implemented by them. No wonder he hasn't bothered with a manifesto.
Oh here is that “Manifesto” term being used again, um, pray tell, why a Manifesto is so important, in today’s political climate, given none of two main parties stuck to theirs, meanwhile, Libdems, are also hypocrites, given they pledged not to increase tuition fees but then did, once they got a slice of power in 2010.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35995454)
Don't forget the Russians!
Yes, it’s laughable isn’t it. It’s glass houses stuff this. You got people here ridiculously ridiculing Farage, yet, looking at the poll, 5 members on here support Corbyn, who defended Russians during the Novichok Salisbury poisonings, rubbed shoulders with the IRA, has given vomit inducing support for Maduro, in Venezuela. Has associated himself with Hezbollah.

We’re suppose to be concerned with one man whose got money from one Eurosceptic to another and not be with another man who’s a terrorist sympathiser and defended Russia, seriously?

Mr K 20-05-2019 10:10
Re: Brexit
 
[Admin Edited].Apart from Farage, who are the candidates, what are their backgrounds, does anyone care? People don't vote on policies any longer, they just vote to on a whim, who to 'stick it to'. The practical consequences on them are irrelevant. That's tomorrow's problem, live for today and instant gratification ....

[Admin Insert: Insult removed-If you insult again, you will be given a forum holiday.]

pip08456 20-05-2019 10:20
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995457)
[Admin Edited]. Apart from Farage, who are the candidates, what are their backgrounds, does anyone care? People don't vote on policies any longer, they just vote to on a whim, who to 'stick it to'. The practical consequences on them are irrelevant. That's tomorrow's problem, live for today and instant gratification ....
The Brexit party would not exist had we left the EU in March. I wonder why we didn't?

Mick 20-05-2019 10:33
Re: Brexit
 
Insult removed-Polite Reminder:

The next person to insult or belittle anybody on here will be dealt with accordingly.

Remember, forum breaks will be given out to members who cannot help themselves and can only post insults. It stops now or action will be taken.

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 13:04
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995457)
[Admin Edited].Apart from Farage, who are the candidates, what are their backgrounds, does anyone care? People don't vote on policies any longer, they just vote to on a whim, who to 'stick it to'. The practical consequences on them are irrelevant. That's tomorrow's problem, live for today and instant gratification ....

[Admin Insert: Insult removed-If you insult again, you will be given a forum holiday.]
Of course people vote on policies, Mr K. The Brexit Party doesn't have a manifesto because it is standing for EU elections on the basis that it will get us out of the EU. That is all we need to know about the Brexit Party for that purpose. There is little point anyway in prospective MEPs having a manifesto, because once in Brussels it's the bureaucrats that determine what legislation is put forward, not the politicians. That point seems to have escaped you.

The other point you are ignoring is the intended short duration that UK MEPs are intending to serve.

If the Brexit Party is still fighting elections by the time we get to a General Election, then of course they will have a manifesto, and NG has said as much.

pip08456 20-05-2019 13:15
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995487)
Of course people vote on policies, Mr K. The Brexit Party doesn't have a manifesto because it is standing for EU elections on the basis that it will get us out of the EU. That is all we need to know about the Brexit Party for that purpose. There is little point anyway in prospective MEPs having a manifesto, because once in Brussels it's the bureaucrats that determine what legislation is put forward, not the politicians. That point seems to have escaped you.

The other point you are ignoring is the intended short duration that UK MEPs are intending to serve.

If the Brexit Party is still fighting elections by the time we get to a General Election, then of course they will have a manifesto, and NG has said as much.
Who's NG?

Damien 20-05-2019 13:15
Re: Brexit
 
I guess he meant NF

Hugh 20-05-2019 16:14
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35995450)
Keep up with the pathetic one sided smears.

I laugh at those here who don’t bother to ask questions about Remain party donations, all this, whose funding who, bullshit, won’t stop me casting my vote for Brexit Party and I suspect it won’t for others who are determined to do so.

In other news. Brexit Party surges into second place in Scotland according to The Scotsman.
How is it a smear?- a smear is to "damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander".

Arron Banks has admitted he gave the money to Nigel Farage - it is not a false accusation, but a fact.

pip08456 20-05-2019 16:33
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995518)
How is it a smear?- a smear is to "damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander".

Arron Banks has admitted he gave the money to Nigel Farage - it is not a false accusation, but a fact.
How much money does Banks say he gave to Farage? Please post source.

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 16:50
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35995491)
Who's NG?
Sorry, finger slip. I meant NF!

pip08456 20-05-2019 16:51
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995526)
Sorry, finger slip. I meant NF!
:D:D

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 16:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995518)
How is it a smear?- a smear is to "damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander".

Arron Banks has admitted he gave the money to Nigel Farage - it is not a false accusation, but a fact.
Maybe we should open a new thread on donations and the financial management of campaigns. This thread is about Brexit, and that's just a diversion.

1andrew1 20-05-2019 19:21
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995528)
Maybe we should open a new thread on donations and the financial management of campaigns. This thread is about Brexit, and that's just a diversion.
How key protagonists in the Brexit debate -are funded - be they Change UK or the Brexit Party - is relevant to the debate, however uncomfortable it might be.
You can support or oppose Brexit separately to wanting robust scrutiny of funding. Mixing the two is a diversionary tactic..

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 19:56
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35995549)
How key protagonists in the Brexit debate -are funded - be they Change UK or the Brexit Party - is relevant to the debate, however uncomfortable it might be.
You can support or oppose Brexit separately to wanting robust scrutiny of funding. Mixing the two is a diversionary tactic..
I'm not at all uncomfortable and our Nige denies wrongdoing. However, if he does get criticised for this in the end, it does not change the argument for Brexit, does it?
As I said, the expenses issue is a diversion from where the future of our country lies.

1andrew1 20-05-2019 20:41
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995551)
I'm not at all uncomfortable and our Nige denies wrongdoing. However, if he does get criticised for this in the end, it does not change the argument for Brexit, does it?
As I said, the expenses issue is a diversion from where the future of our country lies.
If key protagonists on any side of a debate are found to be acting against the law or the spirit of the law then it weakens them as spokespeople for their arguments.
In the case of Nigel Farage, he has such a simple message and powerful personality that I doubt his supporters will do much critical thinking if anything unlawful is exposed. In the case of Change UK, they have few supporters and minimal funding that I doubt they have had the opportunity to do anything unlawful.

Mick 20-05-2019 20:46
Re: Brexit
 
Oh be under no illusion, no discomfort here at all, totally satisfied with which party I support, no amount of smearing will stop me. Brexit must happen, that’s what democracy decided. So I will support whichever party has the balls to stand up to the EU, which was seen on secret tape, boasting that it had turned us in to a colony.

1andrew1 20-05-2019 21:13
Re: Brexit
 
The reactions by Farage and his supporters make for more uncomfortable viewing than the filler moments in Eurovision. And that takes a lot! :D

Gavin78 20-05-2019 23:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35995559)
The reactions by Farage and his supporters make for more uncomfortable viewing than the filler moments in Eurovision. And that takes a lot! :D

You could say the same for remain voters?

On another note it makes me laugh how they are trying to block any Leave MP's wanting a shot at Mays job

TheDaddy 21-05-2019 03:49
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35995451)
Well as I said for the major parties their donations are declared routinely. The exception being Change UK and there are also questions about the Led by Donkeys' campaign. There were a lot of questions about the former when they started, they even incorporated themselves in such a way to obscure their donations at first.

The thing is I am perfectly fine with people demanding to know where their funding comes from. It's important to know. Why would I defend them just because they support Remain? I am happy with supporting Remain just as you are with supporting Leave. I don't feel compelling to suit up to defend the political parties or politicians themselves. I don't trust Change UK, the Liberals and certainly not Labour.
Odd isn't it, attempting to use whataboutery to excuse people's behaviour, it's also odd expecting people to defend that behaviour just because they happen to favour their side of the argument, a pox on all their lying, corrupt, dishonest political houses imo


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35995455)
Oh here is that “Manifesto” term being used again, um, pray tell, why a Manifesto is so important, in today’s political climate, given none of two main parties stuck to theirs, meanwhile, Libdems, are also hypocrites, given they pledged not to increase tuition fees but then did, once they got a slice of power in 2010.
The manifesto pledges were for if they gained power they didn't, they were the junior partners in a coalition who I think did exceptionally well to get 80% of that manifesto you so easily and readily dismiss into acts of parliament and to achieve that they had to compromise, perhaps if our politicians today had been ready to compromise we wouldn't be in the mess we find ourselves in, was all do avoidable as well

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995551)
I'm not at all uncomfortable and our Nige denies wrongdoing. However, if he does get criticised for this in the end, it does not change the argument for Brexit, does it?
As I said, the expenses issue is a diversion from where the future of our country lies.
Our nige, seriously? Possibly the most ludicrous thing I've seen posted on here in a while

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35995553)
Oh be under no illusion, no discomfort here at all, totally satisfied with which party I support, no amount of smearing will stop me. Brexit must happen, that’s what democracy decided. So I will support whichever party has the balls to stand up to the EU, which was seen on secret tape, boasting that it had turned us in to a colony.
That's the part you bring up from that tape, the boasting? I was much more interested in what concessions they were prepared to give us at the start that we didn't ask for, i had a lot of sympathy for Mrs May but it's gone now and I revert to my original stance that I warned you all about when she got the top job,.that she wasn't up to it and uses delegation as a way of shielding herself from criticism

1andrew1 21-05-2019 05:28
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35995562)
You could say the same for remain voters?

On another note it makes me laugh how they are trying to block any Leave MP's wanting a shot at Mays job
Wrong on both points.
I see that British Steel is set to fall into administration. More Project Fear. :rolleyes:

nomadking 21-05-2019 06:48
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35995566)
Wrong on both points.
I see that British Steel is set to fall into administration. More Project Fear. :rolleyes:
Quote:
British Steel has secured a £100m loan from the government to pay its EU carbon bill, a source close to the company has said.
From Oct 2015(before Brexit vote)
Quote:
Why are loads of British steel plants closing all at once?
Tata Steel is the latest company to announce that it's cutting jobs in Britain.
The Indian-owned firm has announced plans to get rid of 1,170 people at its plants in Scunthorpe and Lanarkshire.
It's the latest in a series of recent losses across the steel industry in the UK.
Caparo Industries is in trouble and the SSI steel plant at Redcar closed last month, with 2,200 jobs going.
...
Tata Steel is blaming collapsing prices, high electricity costs, green taxes on energy prices and the strong pound for its decision to cut back its UK operations.
Basically it's too expensive to make steel in the UK in a highly competitive world market.

Hugh 21-05-2019 08:00
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35995521)
How much money does Banks say he gave to Farage? Please post source.
From the previous page, there is a link to the BBC article in post #2344

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995430)
Of course it won’t - Nigel can do no wrong.

There is substance - Nigel denied it, then Arron Banks said "yes, I did".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48315552

Reporting things that actually happened and Nigel denied actually happened ≠ character assassination.
It states
Quote:
Nigel Farage received £450,000 from the founder of pro-Brexit group Leave.EU in the year after the Brexit referendum.

Items paid for by Arron Banks included Mr Farage's London home, his car and trips to the US to meet Donald Trump.

A spokesman for Mr Banks confirmed the amount and what it had been used for, saying it was an "honour to help".
Hope this helps...

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35995568)

Quote:
British Steel has secured a £100m loan from the government to pay its EU carbon bill, a source close to the company has said.
From Oct 2015(before Brexit vote)
You appear to have missed a bit out from the source of your first quote, which was from the BBC last month.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48113303
Quote:
British Steel has secured a £100m loan from the government to pay its EU carbon bill, a source close to the company has said.

The money means the private equity-owned firm will avoid a steep EU fine.

The firm said earlier this month it needed the funds to settle its 2018 pollution bill due at the end of April.

Sky News said the government money was used to pay for the company's carbon credits - and that British Steel would repay the money on commercial terms.

The firm has been hit by a European Union decision to suspend UK firms' access to free carbon permits until a Brexit withdrawal deal is ratified.

The EU's emissions trading system's rules allow industrial polluters to use carbon credits to pay for the previous year's emissions, or trade them to raise money.

nomadking 21-05-2019 08:09
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995569)

You appear to have missed a bit out from the source of your first quote, which was from the BBC last month.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48113303
But for the period 2018/19 we were still in the EU irrespective of any withdrawal agreement. Either the EU carbon tax didn't apply or the free carbon permits still did.



Still leaves from Oct 2015:-
Quote:
Tata Steel is blaming collapsing prices, high electricity costs, green taxes on energy prices and the strong pound for its decision to cut back its UK operations.
Basically it's too expensive to make steel in the UK in a highly competitive world market.

Mick 21-05-2019 08:13
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995569)
From the previous page, there is a link to the BBC article in post #2344



It states

Hope this helps...

---------- Post added at 08:00 ---------- Previous post was at 07:43 ----------

You appear to have missed a bit out from the source of your first quote, which was from the BBC last month.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48113303
So in essence, what you’ve shown there Hugh, is just how much of a bully, EU is by Suspending Free permits for British Steel, so they rack up a bill that’s caused them to go further in to red. Good old corrupt EU and people want to align and remain in this disgusting and cancerous union that likes to boast that it’s successfully turned us in to a colony of the EU. :shrug:

OLD BOY 21-05-2019 08:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35995552)
If key protagonists on any side of a debate are found to be acting against the law or the spirit of the law then it weakens them as spokespeople for their arguments.
In the case of Nigel Farage, he has such a simple message and powerful personality that I doubt his supporters will do much critical thinking if anything unlawful is exposed. In the case of Change UK, they have few supporters and minimal funding that I doubt they have had the opportunity to do anything unlawful.
Whatever you may think about Nigel Farage, don't let it escape you that his views on Brexit are the same as his supporters.

The reason he is drawing so much attention from people such as your good self is that they are remainers who appear to be uncomfortable with his straight forward views and they have nothing to counter them that is in any way convincing. That is why they go for character assassination and yogurt throwing.

It's pretty pathetic, really.

Mick 21-05-2019 08:26
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35995564)
Odd isn't it, attempting to use whataboutery to excuse people's behaviour, it's also odd expecting people to defend that behaviour just because they happen to favour their side of the argument, a pox on all their lying, corrupt, dishonest political houses imo




The manifesto pledges were for if they gained power they didn't, they were the junior partners in a coalition who I think did exceptionally well to get 80% of that manifesto you so easily and readily dismiss into acts of parliament and to achieve that they had to compromise, perhaps if our politicians today had been ready to compromise we wouldn't be in the mess we find ourselves in, was all do avoidable as well



Our nige, seriously? Possibly the most ludicrous thing I've seen posted on here in a while

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That's the part you bring up from that tape, the boasting? I was much more interested in what concessions they were prepared to give us at the start that we didn't ask for, i had a lot of sympathy for Mrs May but it's gone now and I revert to my original stance that I warned you all about when she got the top job,.that she wasn't up to it and uses delegation as a way of shielding herself from criticism
The EU were not acting in good faith so the concession would have been hardly existent, because the EU, were even caught saying they cannot be seen to give UK a great deal on departure, because that would invoke further members to want to leave their con job union. To see the sneering and disdain on public show in that vid, totally validated my decision to vote leave and now, more than ever, do we now need to get out of this horrible union.

Damien 21-05-2019 08:30
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995574)
The reason he is drawing so much attention from people such as your good self is that they are remainers who appear to be uncomfortable with his straight forward views and they have nothing to counter them that is in any way convincing. That is why they go for character assassination and yogurt throwing.

It's pretty pathetic, really.
I don't understand why you get so invested in politicians to the point you deem it a personal affront if people criticise them.

Mr K 21-05-2019 08:43
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35995575)
The EU were not acting in good faith so the concession would have been hardly existent, because the EU, were even caught saying they cannot be seen to give UK a great deal on departure, because that would invoke further members to want to leave their con job union. To see the sneering and disdain on public show in that vid, totally validated my decision to vote leave and now, more than ever, do we now need to get out of this horrible union.
Genuine questions Mick. If we leave the EU, and it isn't better, or even a lot worse, who will you blame then? What/who would you vote for? Will you bring Nigel to account? Always easy to be a populist and point the finger and promise goodies tomorrow. What if we have goodies and don't realise it?

papa smurf 21-05-2019 09:23
Re: Brexit
 
Nigel Farage vows to press charges against 'radicalised Remainer' who pelted him with a £5.25 MILKSHAKE during European election tour to Newcastle as politicians from BOTH sides slam 'violent and intimidating’ trend


Mr Farage tweeted afterwards: 'Sadly some remainers have become radicalised, to the extent that normal campaigning is becoming impossible.'

He later told reporters that the milkshake was 'yobbo flavoured' and he is understood to have made a statement to Northumbria Police.


He should press charges and hopefully a severe example will be set.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tion-tour.html

Mr K 21-05-2019 09:35
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35995578)
Nigel Farage vows to press charges against 'radicalised Remainer' who pelted him with a £5.25 MILKSHAKE during European election tour to Newcastle as politicians from BOTH sides slam 'violent and intimidating’ trend


Mr Farage tweeted afterwards: 'Sadly some remainers have become radicalised, to the extent that normal campaigning is becoming impossible.'

He later told reporters that the milkshake was 'yobbo flavoured' and he is understood to have made a statement to Northumbria Police.


He should press charges and hopefully a severe example will be set.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tion-tour.html
tbh hope he's lactose intolerant....

Don't condone it but l, unless it was a salted caramel milkshake, it's hardly 'radical'. It's not on the same scale as what happened to Jo Cox. The true nasty nutters come from the right.

papa smurf 21-05-2019 09:37
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995579)
tbh hope he's lactose intolerant....

Don't condone it but l, unless it was a salted caramel milkshake, it's hardly 'radical'. It's not on the same scale as what happened to Jo Cox. The true nasty nutters come from the right.
I can see what he means by radicalised when i read your posts.

Mick 21-05-2019 09:47
Re: Brexit
 
Absolute first-class hypocrisy from Remainers and @peoplesvote_uk, their own website literally says that they set their donation limit at £499 "which means that individual donors don't have to be checked" re £500 foreign donation legal limit. But all the funding suspicions get levied at Brexit Party. One sided bias because they cannot accept the fast success of the BP.

Damien 21-05-2019 10:58
Re: Brexit
 
You shouldn't throw milkshakes on people, pretty simple, and if you do then face the consequences of your actions. The guy now faces a criminal record for that idiocy.

mrmistoffelees 21-05-2019 11:22
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35995591)
You shouldn't throw milkshakes on people, pretty simple, and if you do then face the consequences of your actions. The guy now faces a criminal record for that idiocy.
He should have one already for purchasing something containing 'salted caramel'

Pierre 21-05-2019 11:58
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995577)
Genuine questions Mick. If we leave the EU, and it isn't better, or even a lot worse, who will you blame then?
the contra-argument is also applicable.

I would expect any government to do the best they can to make it as successful as possible, and if they don't we get to decide every 5 years on those that make the best argument for the future. Which may even include re-joining.


Quote:
Will you bring Nigel to account?
for what?

Quote:
Always easy to be a populist and point the finger and promise goodies tomorrow. What if we have goodies and don't realise it?
Decision has already been made.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995579)
tbh hope he's lactose intolerant....

Don't condone it but l, unless it was a salted caramel milkshake, it's hardly 'radical'. It's not on the same scale as what happened to Jo Cox. The true nasty nutters come from the right.
It's wrong, whether it's a milkshake, egg, fist or knife.

Damien 21-05-2019 12:43
Re: Brexit
 
May will be making an announcement on her 'offer' to MPs to pass the withdrawal deal later.

Hugh 21-05-2019 12:55
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35995578)
Nigel Farage vows to press charges against 'radicalised Remainer' who pelted him with a £5.25 MILKSHAKE during European election tour to Newcastle as politicians from BOTH sides slam 'violent and intimidating’ trend


Mr Farage tweeted afterwards: 'Sadly some remainers have become radicalised, to the extent that normal campaigning is becoming impossible.'

He later told reporters that the milkshake was 'yobbo flavoured' and he is understood to have made a statement to Northumbria Police.


He should press charges and hopefully a severe example will be set.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tion-tour.html
That's not how our Criminal Justice system works - he can't press charges; if the police decide a crime has been committed, it then goes to the Crown Prosecution Service to see if there is enough evidence to take it to trial.

(I think there is more than enough evidence, but NF can't "press charges" under the UK Law system).

Chris 21-05-2019 13:18
Re: Brexit
 
While “press charges” may be from the realms of the soap opera, in practice if a victim of a relatively minor crime such as common assault refuses to cooperate with police enquires it is unlikely the CPS would conclude there was sufficient evidence for trial.

Damien 21-05-2019 13:26
Re: Brexit
 
An actual criminal charge might make it stop though. I don't think, aside from the Corbyn incident (when it appears he was actually hit as well) previous eggings/milkshakings haven't led to anything.

Chris 21-05-2019 13:28
Re: Brexit
 
I agree, the police should pursue it. It has become too much of a thing. It is common assault and should not be normalised or celebrated as if it’s a grand old part of our political tradition. I’m just observing that without the victim’s cooperation it is difficult for the police to act. There is a pressure on politicians to “rise above it” as it were. I’m glad Farage has given a statement and I do hope the magistrates hand down a deterrent sentence.

papa smurf 21-05-2019 14:03
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995604)
That's not how our Criminal Justice system works - he can't press charges; if the police decide a crime has been committed, it then goes to the Crown Prosecution Service to see if there is enough evidence to take it to trial.

(I think there is more than enough evidence, but NF can't "press charges" under the UK Law system).
Man, 32, is charged with assault and criminal damage after Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage was pelted with a milkshake during European election tour to Newcastle

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...milkshake.html

Damien 21-05-2019 14:49
Re: Brexit
 
Still can't get over what a stupid way to inconvenience your life forevermore. :dunce:

He probably didn't even think much of it, just got caught up in the 'excitement' of it all and now he is facing a criminal record. What is the point? :rolleyes:

papa smurf 21-05-2019 14:56
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35995616)
Still can't get over what a stupid way to inconvenience your life forevermore. :dunce:

He probably didn't even think much of it, just got caught up in the 'excitement' of it all and now he is facing a criminal record. What is the point? :rolleyes:
He could of quite easily approached Farage and engaged in conversation and then put forward his view which would have been on camera for the world to see and hear

Mick 21-05-2019 16:22
Re: Brexit
 
BREAKING: Electoral Commission finds no Electoral irregularities in the Brexit Party campaigns funding according to a party MEP candidate.

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BREAKING: News just announced at
@brexitparty_uk candidate meeting that the Electoral Commission has found no evidence of any impropriety with our funding system. HUGE cheers goes up from all 70 candidates. Gordon Brown utterly failed #ChangePoliticsForGood

3:33 pm · 21 May 2019 Martin Daubney @MartinDaubney

Hugh 21-05-2019 16:45
Re: Brexit
 
Surprising, as according to NF, it is "full of Remainers".

https://news.sky.com/story/full-of-r...nding-11725530
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Nigel Farage has launched a furious attack on the Electoral Commission, claiming it is "absolutely full of Remainers".

The Brexit Party leader claimed the watchdog - which visited the party's headquarters on Tuesday as part of a review into its donations system - was full of establishment figures and not neutral.
"not neutral" - doing their job...

papa smurf 21-05-2019 16:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35995616)
Still can't get over what a stupid way to inconvenience your life forevermore. :dunce:

He probably didn't even think much of it, just got caught up in the 'excitement' of it all and now he is facing a criminal record. What is the point? :rolleyes:
What about this idiot?
A CHARITY boss has been suspended as part of an investigation into a Twitter post about the milkshake attack against Nigel Farage which read “I’d prefer ACID”.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...weet-milkshake

Hugh 21-05-2019 16:49
Re: Brexit
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48357017
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Theresa May has told MPs they have "one last chance" to deliver Brexit, as she set out a "new Brexit deal".

MPs will get a vote on whether to hold another referendum if they back the EU Withdrawal Agreement Bill, she said.

The bill also contains new guarantees on workers' rights, environmental protections and the Irish backstop as well a customs "compromise".

If MPs reject the bill, she warned them a negotiated exit would be "dead in the water" and Brexit could be stopped.


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