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I think you have to take into account the numerious other sports that Sky cover when considering costs it is not soley about football. As my avatar shows I am a bigger fan of the NFL than of the EPL, I also enjoy golf and International Rugby. So for me Sky represents good value. During the summer I will be watching Eurosport and the their great covereage of Le tour. For me Eurosport is a major reason to take xl tv.

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Yup (except grid iron doesn't do much for me)

I love football, and get sky for that. But if that was all they had, i'm not sure I would get ti. But add in all the other sports, it becomes value. Or to be precise, value to me.

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Posted on DigitalSpy, price increases for Sky customers:
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...7&postcount=60

So according to that, all the SS channels will be £22pm

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As a SKY customer those prices will be applicable to me. Must admit, not as bad as I feared.

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Ouch! :D

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Yes, I agree. Not as many feared

And BT sports for free...all sounds good

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Much better than I feared , my increase will be £2.50 I can certainly live with that.
Didn't someone on here say the Sky Sports increase on VM was by £3.25 ? :confused:

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Virgin add a little bit..seasoning

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Not abd for me at all. Alot better than i had first thought. £2.50 ectra a month isnt too bad. Of course i would have wished no rise but that would never happens so not too bad

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"And far more expensive as well dear chap."

Any match is MORE fun than sitting watching them on TV . Well at least if its Rugby , Football ( American -sorry ) or baseball hi even softball!!!

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I think that Sky is by far the best concerning cost of their channels.

If they are putting up the average cost by £1.00 for the year, why is VM ripping off customers by charging more.

I would have thought that VM would have reduce prices to accommodating customers.

Sorry it does not make sense when all these customers are figting it out for for the best service. And yet they dont know who to choose.

I am seriusly thinking of going back to Sky and just have the normal service, which would be far cheaper than VM.

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Oh dear here we go again with the usual gang up to their old tricks.;):D

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bet your shocked Den mate NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

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Why is Sky Sports more expensive on Virgin then? Genuine question - I had always assumed Virgin were skimming.

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Well you can take horses to water but you can't make them drink from it.:waving::naughty::D

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As we all know Sky charge Virgin a extortionate wholesale rate and thus Virgin have to cover their costs.

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Because you can take a horse to water...and if its a virgin customer, you can make them drink it, no matter the price :D

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Or Virgin is charging you extra, because they know you likee lots :D

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It's a difficult one, that, because I'm paying Virgin a hell of a lot less than I used to pay Sky for a comparable package, and I've received a much better service to boot.

You will, of course, find Sky customers who have had the exact opposite experience and think they're better off where they.

So what I would say is this - it's useless to say one company is more expensive than the other when the truth is actually that if you sign a contract with either company for a 12 month period that means you have to pay the full headline price every month for the duration of that contract then actually you are an idiot. And you should also always consider the total price paid over the course of the contract, as opposed to the monthly amount, when comparing deals.

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Do we know this though? Are Sky actually charging Virgin more wholesale than they are charging their own subscribers retail?

Surely that cannot be the case?

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The full SKY Sports package is only £16.00 on Smallworld Cable.

http://www.smallworldcable.com/Cable-TV/Sky-Sports

Are Smallworld taking a massive hit on each customer taking SKY Sports, or do they have a favorable wholesale rate with SKY? £16.00 per month is amazing value!

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no HD at all but would good to know if they taking a hit or sky is charging them less than VM

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Got to be a massive hit as Sky would want those customers for themselves. If only I lived about 50 miles north.

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While no HD is correct, it is all 6 channels;

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2013/06/5.png

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They only have a small customer base when compared to VM so they may be able to cover the costs from other areas of there business? if not they'll be taking a hit for sure it wouldn't be like sky to give something cheap to a rival

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totally agree with that

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If SmallWorld are taking a hit then that suggests that there is at least no contractual reason why Virgin could not lower the price, doesn't it?

I suspect, much like the reason that UPC have more Sky HD channels, the reason lies in Sky wanting to prove to the regulator that they are actually nice people to do business with,

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Maybe sky see smallworld more as a rival to virgin than themselves and like the idea of helping one of their competitors?

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Virgin & SM only operate where the other doesn't so it can't be that.

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Ok didn't know that

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No but it is a way of making customers think that Virgin is a rip off because other cable companies are able to undercut them.

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I couldn't imagine anyone outside of the borders, scotland or tv provider forums even have a clue who Smallworld is.

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Yep, fair point.

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The wholesale costs for Sky Sports 1 , Sky Sports 2 or Sky Sports 1&2 are set by OFCOM I believe , bear in mind these only include SD so all other channels are extra I'd imagine , the link below shows the wholesale cost from Sept 13.

http://media.ofcom.org.uk/analysts/regulated-prices/

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IF, VM is a much larger company than Smallworld Cable, then why can't VM charge the same as Smallworld, who to me is such a smaller cable company.

If this is the case then VM are ripping us customers off big time, I am a big footie fan and IF,IF VM doesn't have BT Sports by the Friday of the new football season then will take my business to Sky.

At least there prices rise by just £1.00 OR £2.00 per year, not like VM who have increased there price THREE times in the past 16 months.

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So am I to take from that smallworld take quite a big hit on their prices and VM are reasonably fair?

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Because if Virgin lost £5 for every Sky Sports Collection customer they'd be haemorrhaging money, Smallworld can because they don't have enough customers for the loss to massively affect their revenue.

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Why don't Sky offer it at £16 Arthur? Are they gonna rip you off for charging more than Smallworld when/if you join them?

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Again :D

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I see that the England u20s were dumped out of the World cup losing to Egypt 2-0. This is yet another example that despite all the money going into the EPL via tv money that our game is being destroyed .

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I was listening to the radio earlier today and heard an interesting story. Former Scotland manager Craig Brown was interviewed a couple of weeks ago and was taking about money in the English Premiership. Craig Brown stated that every senior player at every team in Englands top 20 is a millionaire. Even some of the youth players at the bigger clubs have already earned a million, or are just about too :shocked:

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Talk Talk have published the below comparison table on their website. I think the fact they are openly showing they don't carry BT Sports and ESPN suggests they know they definitely won't be getting the channels.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1263/9qf8.jpg

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we should find out in july if VM getting it

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And l for one believe we will get it.

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That is actually what Virgin charge for the individual channels, I believe. It's when it comes to pricing of the whole suite that things get a bit murky, but your link suggests there is no regulated price for that?

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Well nether operate in my postcode

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Didnt you already go to Sky and left within 14 days? What has changed since you left a few months ago?

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Unless BT are even stupider than even I think ;)

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Don't underestimate stupidity..:D

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yes think so too it just what the price is what we all want to know

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Being stupid is one thing as we are all stupid from time to time but being absolutely brainless is another thing.

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Or maybe young footballers playing for other country's don't think that now they have a pro contract that they have made it and as soon as this wretched tournament is over they can jet off and try and get into P Diddys latest Ho party.

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Why drink water when we can drink wine..;), Oh,and in HD at that...:D

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The trouble is old bean the wine has gone a bit sour as Pimms me dear chap is the drink for us who want that little bit more when we are watching the sport.;):D

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Den,can you please define "more",I'm a little confused..:confused: I thought you still had Virgin Media??...:rolleyes:

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Overall Virgin have always had the better all round package as its nice to have broadband that works smoothly and is quick :Yes: and is not the dial up type rubbish speeds :omg::redcard: l am experiencing on holiday with my parents at this current moment.

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I don't think SKY Sports 3, SKY Sports 4 and SKY F1 are price regulated. Of all the providers that do carry all SKY Sports channels, Virgins prices aren't the worst.

1. Talk Talk - £30.00 per month
2. UPC Ireland - £29.00 per month
3. Virgin Media - £25.75 per month
4. Wight Fibre - £22.50 per montj
5. SKY - £21.00 per month
6. Smallworld - £16.00 per month

With prices varying so greatly, I can't see it being SKY who are dictating what providers must charge. There is no way Talk Talk would accept SKY telling them they must charge almost double what Smallworld do. Smallworld must be taking a hit whilst everyone is is turning a profit. With the wholesale price of SKY Sports 1&2 jumping up to £20.78 from September, it will be interesting to see by how much the above prices jump. Wasn't the last wholesale price for SKY Sports 1&2 set at £10.63?

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Each company have their pros and cons. Virgin offer a great all round service, which SKY are close to emulating. I would say that I was happy with my Virgin services until 1 price increase too many last year. Since then Virgin have done a great job adding lots of missing HD channels, and niche SD channels. At the same time SKY have improved their fibre network and on demand service.

As a consumer I thing both offer great all rounds services. I'd be happy to jump back and forth between the 2 companies without feeling like I'm missing out on too much. If Virgin can add BT Sports, add SKY Atlantic, ease up on traffic management and hold prices for 12 months I'd have to say that Virgin would be the overall best service provider in the UK.

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Nope £19.41
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a

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Blame it on the hot weather Maggy J :D

Hopefully more will be revealed this coming month about BT Sport...

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Will BT Sports be on Virgin Media at all?

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No one knows at the moment but the consensus is that if VM do manage to get BT sports it will be fairly expensive and an additional cost to customers.

Still a chance BT sports will not come to VM too.

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I still think we will only get it (if at all) on BTs terms, billing the customer direct so they can offer it free if they switch to infinity.

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Which is a total non-starter for me.

Wonder if VM would accept BT emailing their customers trying to pinch them.. even Sky don't do that directly.

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Not sure that is any different to Virgin sending out a few letters/leaflets a month via snail mail to customers of other providers. No one likes to be bothered by unsolicited email or leaflets but it obviously works otherwise they wouldn't keep doing it. Virgin is the most aggressive of advertisers I find.

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It is Sky, Talk Talk and BT where i live

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It is very very different when you do a deal with a competitor to show channels then target the customers and try to pinch them.

VM should tell BT where to get off if they try that.

In my experience the advertising is anything but aggressive from VM round here.

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Obviously they all target different areas differently.

What I found frustrating is my previous area was heavily oversubscribed and had been for half a year yet Virgin would send so many leaflets through all the doors, sometimes 8 or so a month. They couldn't handle the customers they already had and were not in any rush to resolve that but were trying to add customers like crazy.

Talktalk were the next most aggressive in my previous area. Maybe 4 or 5 leaflets a month.

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As a member has said that l went to Sky, l did go back to Sky but l was given a HD box which needed an extra fee to obtain certain items.

I already have a Sky box, just need it switch on, l already have Freesat.

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Change of subject a bit. Does anyone know who will televising pre season friendlies and if so what games.

I am interested in Spurs V Espanyol

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Sky Sports can charge more on BT and Virgin:

http://www.cityam.com/article/sky-sp...-bt-and-virgin

"Virgin Media – which does not make a significant profit on selling Sky Sports – is understood to be likely to pass on the hike, though BT has no plans to do so. If BT chooses to freeze Sky Sports prices on its BT Vision platform, it would cut into its profit per user, signalling its willingness to sacrifice margins in order to sign up customers."

" “BT has no immediate plans to review its prices for Sky Sports 1 and 2,” a spokesperson said. Virgin Media did not comment."

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prices will only ever go up and up :mad::mad::mad::mad: totally getting beyond a joke now think could be last year on pay tv

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It makes sense for BT to take the hit as many customers will stay with a provider once with them unless the price become silly.

Also good for them to make the statement about price rises so that customers can make a decision now and the fact Virgin had the no comment line, pretty sure that isn't good for Virgin customers. Virgin really has to do something to limit the customers that will leave them for BT knowing this.

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Got a feeling it will not be shown as the Championship and lower leagues will have kicked off and be playing.

Quick note to say you can see Barclays Asia Trophy on Sky Sports 1 on July 24th from 10.30am when Spurs play Sunderland (Man C v South China from 13:00) and Third Place playoff same time on 27th and the Final from 13:00.

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As usual Ofcom has failed again.:td::(

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yep Ofcom are as much use as a chocolate fireguard Den mate :mad::mad::mad::mad:

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They can be quite useful if you want loads of melted chocolate :D

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So what's the story with ESPN? We lose it at the end of this month from the XL package. Surely this must be reflected in the cost of the XL package?

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If you feel that angry about the costs cancel it and watch highlights on MOD (BBC) won't cost you anything on top of your tv license SIMPLES :D

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Rumoured we might get Sky Atlantic SD/HD, Sky News HD & Sky Sports News HD in replacement...

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Well everything is up in the air until we know what happens with BT Sports or possible other plans that might be afoot with VM.

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As of July 1st.

All ESPN Channels will stop broadcasting on Virgin Media on July 31st.

If VM can sign an broadcast deal with BT ESPN will become part of the BT Sport Package from August 1st.

Virgin will not cut the cost of the XL Package but we may see more new channels coming online as Virgin will reuse the money save on ESPN to get new channels deals signed.

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Disagree Den, Virgin have know that we were going to lose these premium channels for months, the launch of BT sports and wether it will launch on Virgin or not is a separate issue for me.

Given the price rise on Sky Sports I'm pretty sure I won't subscribe to BT sport if Virgin get it, if it was £10-£15 p/m it would take my bill to over £130 p/m :( Enough is enough

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...ay-tv-entrants

This is, mainly whining. One moment BT are the greatest thing since sliced bread the next they are poor little newcomers who cannot compete with the might of BSkyB without help from the authorities.

Sigh....

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Sports on Freeview news.

Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 has now close on Freeview Channels 41 and 42.

The following BT Sports channels has now been added to Freeview.

CH. 57: BT Sport - showing promo video
CH. 58: BT Sport 1 - no audio, video or MHEG stream yet
CH. 59: BT Sport 2 - no audio, video or MHEG stream yet

Freeview viewers may need to reset your box to get BT Sport.

Info thanks to braysoj1.

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Gotta have some rumours to keep customers but Atlantic is very unlikely to be a channel VM get.

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Well talks have reopened so there's a fair chance that we will get it.

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Hope so Den but I feel we will get something!

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Are there any plans to get more sky sports HD channels on VM?

2 out of 6 is pretty lame for the extra £7.50 a month.

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Well hopefully given the planned price rise in October the missing HD channels will be forthcoming.

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not unless sky change there with holding channels policy which I cant see happening at all

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The talks have been ongoing for at least eight months now and VM still don't have Atlantic. I don't see anything changing unless the regulator get's involved and even then that would add another six month delay.

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it would make it price rise more bearable Den but just cant see sky allowing it at all

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Would it not be nice if you were actually positive about Virgin for once rather then constantly posting incessant repeated negativity about them as there is far more that Virgin do better then they do badly.:)

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Well we shall see Dave.

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How was my post you quoted negative towards Virgin? Would it not be nice if you stopped making these random accusations and taking threads off-topic ;)

It's your own problem if BT and Sky can offer better packages that Virgin.

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l think you will find that overall Virgin offer the better all round package Sir.

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I would disagree and as this thread is regarding sports, it looks like BT is offering the best Sports package at the moment. VM has lost ESPN too although I don't know how popular that was.

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how can say that when BT only got 2 of 6 sky sports channels and no HD proves your statement wrong there and VM is only one that got any sky sports HD channels other than sky

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Not in to sports myself so I am going by what my friends who are say. Seems a bit pointless for BT not to have the HD versions of channels in the sports arena. Do they really negotiate HD channels as a separate thing?

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BT lack variety and four Sky channels as you say. They look like what they are, an expensive extra set of channels which whilst I would love to have, I will have to do without because of the cost.

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sky best by far for sports as they got bt sports too and all HD channels but I think VM will get bt sports too so they be 2nd for sports

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That is my view too Den.

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yes so true Den and that's why sky wont let VM have the missing with held channels as it make VM even better value and sky know that

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Really hope we can get SS3HD, its rather annoying when WWE looks better on YouTube than it does on the TV I'm paying through the nose for.

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So BT sports channel is such a big thing because it got the premier league football games or something like that?

BT obviously have their own sports channel but not some of the sky channels. Sky have BT sports as well as their own channels. Virgin have the Sky channels but not BT sports. Have I got that right?

Apart from the cost (don't know the price differences) it would seem Sky is the best choice as it has the full monty off sports channels.

Just trying to get the full picture. Still don't quite understand why BT sports is so important to some.