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That is probably it...

We will know for sure by 7am Friday morning, if not earlier. Won't be staying up to find out though. I'll wait until the sexy lady on my phone, who reads the news and weather to me in the morning as part of the briefing alarm, informs me.

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Scotland Against Vilification Vote Yes

The irony :D

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I will be heart broken if we lose to the yes vote. I cannot believe how anyone can believe Salmond, and his lies. I will be praying extra hard till the last vote comes in and the United Kingdom wins this debate, It would be a disaster for Scotland.

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If Scotland vote YES hopefully it will drive the rest of the UK to demand more autonomy, the wastelands will bloom again....
Come on Scotland, the rest of us are depending on your YES vote to rid us of the centralisation that is London.

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It's going to be a massive win for the NO camp, you watch.

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The polls show that a majority of 19-45 year old males will be voting yes - all the other age groups (including female voters) have shown a majority voting No, including 16-18 year olds....

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Reading Murray's tweets, I think he is now on the yes side. In which case might be the only time I agree with and like him. Ironic really, that it takes the Scottish referendum to make me like him a bit.

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How could the No campaign be positive about not changing? Comparatively speaking it was a positive campaign, by pointing out the negatives of change.

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The yestapo were out and about last night in some areas.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/09/25.jpg

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It seems to me that most of the bile and vitriol has emanated from the Yes side who've consistently responded to questions they can't/won't answer with accusation of 'bullying' and personal/corporate/nationalist attacks dressed up in one form or another. The SNP is characterised by this sort of behaviour and God knows why anyone buys into it. It's all very well detesting the status quo but the Scots need to be very careful what they wish for now. This isn't the hyped up prelude to an England V. Scotland match, it's going to be a life changing decision if the vote is Yes and although I'm not going to lose any sleep over the outcome I'd feel desperately sorry for those who want to remain in the UK if Salmond's cronies get their way and wind up running the show. IMHO they're a dangerous bunch of chancers who've started to believe they're own highly emotive and selective nationalist rhetoric.

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I'm sure Scotland will be a much happier place with people like that intimidating those who don't share their views. :rolleyes:

It's just the sort of thing Salmond would try to accuse the 'English' of doing to his proud Scottish nation...

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I'm fingers crossed they get what they want, sick of it all, let them go, they don't really want to stay and are just getting what they can out of it.

Sadly I bet they will just not quite do it.

Interestingly within my own extended family the young ones are all voting YES, and the old uns are voting NO.

If that pans out across Scotland, it'll be a case of will more old uns vote or young uns which will determine the end result.

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Er ... If the result is No, then that proves "they" do really want to stay. Democracy and all that. ;)

How young are the young ones in your extended family, and are they male or female? The only demographic where there is a majority for Yes is amongst males aged 19-40. Everywhere else it's a No, of varying sizes. And amongst the new voters, 16s and 17s, it's quite comfortably a No.

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Any theories on why the young and very young differ?

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Well, for a start the 19-40 demographic is quite broad. I suspect that the Yessers within that cohort are in the upper end of it. They are the ones who have grown up against the backdrop of the 1980s. Nuff said, I think.

The very young, on the other hand, are the internet-savvy citizens of the world, who don't see borders and identity in the same way that older people do. The proposal to create a border makes no sense to them, whether the justification offered is geography, politics or ethnicity.

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How much of the 'younger male' attitude stems from the sort of pride, passion and even hatred we see on the football terraces, for example, I wonder.

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Knowledge and understanding the consequences for one. Also everyone is more of a rebel when they are younger :D

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Salmond must have been a right &%$$£! when he was young then. :D

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Poor Scots don't get many options. Either Celtic or Rangers. Yes or No :p:

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Maybe that's it lol ;)

Seriously though, I do think those sort of extreme, partisan, emotions have a lot to answer for and can easily be exploited by manipulative politicians.

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Sadly it's not just the cybernats that go over the line when someone expresses an opinion.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/09/22.jpg

Sickening. :(

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I think a lot of Scots have been saying "Yes" to pollsters, but will vote "No", and will always say they voted "Yes".

So the tight 50/50 split might be far from the truth.

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That Picture on top with vandalism saying yes has just reminded me of Boots in Swansea earlier. A Boy in his mid 20s was caught shop lifting. 2 Riot Vans and a Police car totalling 14 officers on scene and here in Wales if we had vandalism like this above we are lucky to get an officer.

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Regardless of the outcome my main worry in this will be our nationalists demanding a similar referendum and the subsequent campaigns taking up the already wasteful resources of the WA.

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Come on Scots vote yes lets end this once and for all.

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Voted.:2cents:

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Stephen.
Just seen your comment re Celtic NOT playing in English football, if the vote is yes.

Is this the reason why certain papers in London are asking for the fans of Celtic and Rangers to vote NO.

As they WILL NOT be able to play in English football, if the vote is YES. I suggest you read the media.

I am NOT saying it, the media is.

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No it's not and that is a pathetic thing to say/do.

However when you look at the rhetoric used by both sides it seems to me that the Yes group have resorted to this sort of thing far more than their opponents. Even their leaders have used direct threats!

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Last word on the polls goes to the London Evening Standard, bizarrely. Don't know whether that's something to do with electoral law or not. Anyway, Ipsos-MORI have given No a 6-point lead, 53-47 excluding don't knows (Y45, N50, D/K 4). Bizarrely, it's been incorrectly plotted on the What Scotland Thinks website, so if you read it there first it looks like it's predicting a shock last-gasp surge for Yes. :erm: :D

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...n-9740413.html

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I wasn't bothered about wether they would be excluded or where it was reported but that YOU said you thought it would be the wordt thing about a Yes win.

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I'm sure Harry will be speaking with a few of your colleagues in the not too distant future.

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I don't like Murray but that is too far.

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I really am hoping a lot of those really vocal Yes mob end up chickening out and just vote No.

Just have to wait and see the final result.

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Seeing what has happened with this referendum gives a good idea of what would happen if we ever get a chance to vote on leaving the EU. Pretty sure the politicians will soon start a campaign to influence and brainwash a "stay in" vote.

If Salmond was right and Cameron only said yes to the Scots having a referendum as he thought they had no chance, then I don't think he will risk giving us an EU referendum....

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Well, after all the promises, it'll be political suicide for him and his party if he doesn't.

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Question, can the Welsh vote for independence as if my history is correct the Welsh were conquered by the English (yes it was a few years ago.)

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The Yes mob are still gathered on George Square. Waving flags and partying like they have won.

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Wales has never been an independent country on anything like its current borders and it does not have its own body of law. Negotiating its independence would be a nightmare. It's pretty hard to see what the economic case for it would be. The Plaidos' case, so far as I can tell, is to voluntarily make Wales a vassal of Brussels. As with the Nats here in Scotland, you don't have to scratch far beneath the surface before you find "anyone but London, at any cost".

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... and they could be just about to find out at what cost.

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Yes

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Well that's me voted, I was surprised at how quiet it was when I went at 4.15.

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We're just back from voting. 10 No's dropped in the ballot box by the Chad family :)

The place was dead. The YES and No guy outside where very chatty with each other and having a banter. The polling station was at my old primary school. Not been there for nearly 23 years. The booth was in my old primary 1 class room. The only thing that has really changed is the black board is now a white board :)

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Did you know even S4C is broadcasting tonight result live.

Also on (Confirmed broadcasters):

-BBC One Scotland - Scottish only one.
-BBC Two Scotland - UK Wide one.
-STV
-STV Glasgow
-BBC News - UK Wide one.
-Sky News
-BBC Parli - Scottish only one.
-BBC Radio 4 (FM & LW)
-BBC Radio 5 Live
-BBC Radio Scotland

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Is there an early projected result? I heard a neighbour in their garden saying it was a 52/48 yes vote an hour ago.

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From Guido

Is that what Cameron and the other parties are offering as a consolation prize?

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:nono::nono:

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Looks like the green party banner?

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We may get an 'exit' poll just after 10pm but BBC was reporting this morning before I voted that the result may not be confirmed until about 7am on Friday morning.

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The best projection you're going to get is the Evening Standard's Ipsos-MORI poll which gave No a six-point lead this afternoon. BBC reported last night that there would be no exit poll. Your neighbour has been listening to someone who has been listening to someone who has been listening to someone who hasn't got a clue what they're talking about.

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My polling booth had no pens, only pencils. Is that the same for everyone else who votes? I can't ever remember using a pencil previously. Surely a pencil vote is not a secure vote.

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It's an indelible wax pencil, designed not to run even if the ballot paper gets wet. Ballot booths always have these pencils, they never ever have ink because of the risk of it transferring a mark to the wrong box when you fold the paper. X in more than one box = spoiled ballot.

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Yep. Media can't do anything while the voting is going on but the moment the polls close an exit poll will be released.

The exit poll from the last general election was remarkably accurate.

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Hammer hits the nail on its head :D. He will worm his way out of it somehow you can bet.

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I just hope the Scots vote NO. I think it is disgusting that ALL Scots cannot vote.

There must be thousands of Scots all roung the world who want to vote, but cannot.

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TBH if you can't be bothered to live in the country why should you have a vote.

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It's only those living in Scotland that are allowed to votes. That includes those from other countries.

Why should people get a vote if they don't live in the Country?

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Polls close at 10pm.

If you have an vote - USE IT.

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Because in certain circumstances they are allowed to.

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Polls now closed. Hopefully the right decision has been made.

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Fingers crossed for you! :tu:

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Latest YouGov poll of over 3000 voters have it NO 54% YES 46%. YouGov are 99% confident No will be clear winners tonight.

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A YouGov on-the-day poll (not quite an exit poll, but the next best thing) gives No an 8-point lead. SNP and Greens are both on BBC Scotland's coverage claiming a "victory for democracy" and hailing the "unprecedented engagement" - they sound very much like they're laying the foundations for accepting defeat and then trying to claim credit for a political awakening which, I assume, they would like to claim the right to direct and channel. Danny Alexander, meanwhile, is trying to sound measured and cautious but is clearly having a hard time not sounding confident of victory.

As things stand, the two most recent polls show the gap has widened again in the last 48 hours, and all involved are expecting the actual results to reflect that.

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Personally speaking, no matter the poll outcome, I think Scotland are the winners.

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Westminster quietly confident according to SKY News. If they are so quietly confident, how do SKY know? :)

Of course it's just an opinion poll, not an exit poll, and opinion polls have been wrong before. The margin of error on their polls are usually 3%. If they've got this wrong they've lost all credibility. They do however appear very confident.

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Whatever the result there is work to be done to heal the split. I would say however I've never, ever seen so many people interested in politics amongst my family, friends and neighbours. Scotland where given a choice and EVERYONE participated. A political awakening.

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Well. Let's see what state George Square's in by tomorrow lunchtime, eh. I don't wish for trouble, but if the result is No, as looks most likely right now, there are some people who have been told so assuredly, for so long, that Yes was on the march, they are going to have a very hard time accepting it.

Missus has friends on her Facebook feed right now, swapping rumours of a poll that gives Yes 63% and asking if a No win is therefore sufficient evidence in itself of ballot rigging. Others have been telling each other not to trust the pencils all day, and have been taking their own pens to the ballot stations, despite warnings that ink impressions folded onto the wrong part of the paper actually increases the chances of their ballot being spoiled.

In all honesty, some of the talk sounds like what you would expect from people who have just been rescued from a religious cult. And they are going to take a while to de-programme.

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bookies are offering 20/1 against a yes vote.

I want it trounced though.

this crap has rumbled on for 2 years, the lying and distortions of truth have been despicable.

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Symptomatic of any highly politicised vote involving nationality, really.

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I wonder how much support Murray will get next year now after coming out in favour of the yes vote. No matter how much he backtracks now, he will have done irreversible damage to the support he can expect to get.

Also, SKY and BBC are saying that 97% of the electorate turned out to vote. Maybe we should have a referendum every election time, that way we could guarantee a decent turnout. Wonder what sort of turnout figure a referendum on leaving the EU would get?

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Really?

Perhaps, I think the rest of the UK are the losers, and I think the people of Scotland have used up just about all the goodwill available from the rest of the UK.

If it is a No, which looks likely. They would do well to go quiet for a bit.

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CNN showing their usual factual reporting capabilities.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/09/20.jpg

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry
Personally speaking, no matter the poll outcome, I think Scotland are the winners.

I agree with Pierre here, though I'm clearly biased being English...

Mr A has a point too though, although in this case Scotland are only 'winning' regardless of the outcome because our spineless politicians are trying to bribe unwilling family members to stay in the family.

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Really hope it's a yes so this is all finished and over with because there is a core of fanatical Scots that will not accept anything but yes and the SNP will find a way to accuse someone of rigging the vote. If no wins this open sore is just going to seep until the next referendum that they will campaign for as soon as possible. There is little to no goodwill left for Scotland and nearly everyone I know off as well as online has no time for this anyone. Scotland winners yeah right their international profile has been damaged a section of the population has shown itself to be very close to out and out thuggery and your politicians are seen in worst light then most politicians quite the achievement scotland the winners in this don't make me laugh there were or are no winners out of this complete mess.

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Not exactly. 97% of all those entitled to be on the electoral roll, are on it. That in itself is a very high number, but what we don't yet know is how many of those who got on to the roll, have actually turned out to vote.

The turnout will be announced at each count, as it is calculated. The only one we know so far is Edinburgh, which is 89%. BBC Scotland political editor Brian Taylor is saying he does not believe a high turnout will favour one side or the other. He thinks everyone in Scotland has been equally fired up for this.

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Ah, must have misread the ticker at the bottom of the screen.

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And now Alex Salmond has vanished, and nobody knows when or where he might make an appearance. A planned marquee party in his home village, which he was meant to be at, has been cancelled. He's not now expected to show up at the Aberdeen count, either. Sme suggestions that a Lear jet has been seen leaving Aberdeen bound for Edinburgh. With any luck it'll connect with a flight to Havana and we'll be shut of him for good ...

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Disappointed with A Murray, he should have kept his to himself, He does not have to care about money etc, I may still support him in tennis

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That was a bit odd Nashie, for him to manage to sit on the fence right through the whole thing and then come out for Yes only after it was too late to make a difference.

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He's put himself in a tough position. Every Scot was behind him 100% willing him on to win a Slam. His comments about supporting anyone England played against a few years ago still dogs him today. He's now alienated himself from a huge part of his support in Scotland and the rest of the UK.

He could become the first Brit to get booed at Wimbledon.

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The No's have pished this.............:)

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Pished this in a good way, or bad way?

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A good way imo.......:)

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According to stv the Highlands postal votes are 60% No and 40% Yes.

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I'd say the vote will end up 56% No, 44% yes, :)

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I start work at 9:00am. I didn't plan to, but I'm staying up all night! I've got a feeling there's going to be some silly sleepy moments in the office tomorrow.

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Are you a NO man Chad?

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Braw!

To break things up a little, this Our Wullie the movie trailer was posted on Youtube earlier today. It's unseen footage from Burniston.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv5p...ature=youtu.be

It's not great but 1:08 mins in has had me in stitches over and over again :D

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100% Never considered YES at all at any stage. Never really been interested in politics and have never voted before however I'm a proud Scot, and a proud Brit, and have felt that my identity and way of life was at risk.

Can't count our chickens yet though, nothing officially confirmed at all.

Yourself? You've not been involved in the vote rigging in Glasgow have you? :)

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100% No, the jacobites can **** off.......:D

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Braw

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Boom, Clackmannanshire in the bag

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'No' starts the day in the lead.

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:)

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And finishes that way too!

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Clackmannanshire goes to No. Orkney should be confirmed soon.

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SNP have just confirmed they have lost my area, West Lothian. I think West Lothian could be a decent sized win for No.

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Orkney a 67% victory for No

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They think it's all over.............................................. .........................












it is now........:)

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Boy I'm getting tired. Ironically the last time I stayed up all night through the week with work the next day was to watch my former hero Andy Murray winning the US Open

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Early speculation that YES have lost Edinburgh. Looking at 60% for No in that one.

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More reports from Edinburgh that it's going to be a big NO win

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Shetland votes No 64%

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There's no way back for the yes voters, they've lost! If it had been the other way around I would have accepted their choice, that's democracy and all that.

As they say, live by the sword, die by the sword. If I'm not back later on, order my coffin lol.............;)

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Western Isles vote NO by 53%

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Inverclyde votes NO by 50.1% Less than 100 votes!

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Rengrewshire votes NO 53%

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Dundee votes YES by 57%

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Polls sitting at 49% YES 51% NO

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West Dunbartonshire vote YES by 54%

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Ok now I am getting worried!!

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Polls now 50/50

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Midlothian votes NO 56%

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51% just now for no.

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East Lothian vote NO by 62%

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Back up to 52.37% for NO

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Stirling vote NO by 60%

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Falkik votes NO by 53%

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Angus votes NO 56%. Aberdeen votes NO by big margin but missed the %. Dumfries votes No by 66%

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East Renfrewshire vote NO by 63% YES had taken some massive hits in the past 15 mins

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East Dunbartonshire votes NO by 61%

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NO now in the lead by 56%

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North Lanarkshire votes YES by 51%

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South Lanarkshire votes NO 55%

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Perth votes NO by 60%

YES 779,689 NO 965,790

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Glasgow expected to vote YES. Result coming soon

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West Lothian vote NO 55%

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Glasgow votes YES 53%. Not as big as expected

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Scottish Borders NO 67%

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It's almost all over for YES

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North Ayrshire vote NO 51%

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Balls. Come on yes vote, get your act together.