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Utd must be playing Arsenal quite soon..............
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has re-opened his war of words with Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger by calling the Frenchman a "disgrace".


Sounds a bit Chav like to me
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Prediction for today's match..

Liverpool 2 Man Utd 2 :erm:

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What a plank. Hope he keeps it lol, well I certainly would...

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Wes Brown's been sent off, you watch if we go on to win this then "it's because they're a bunch of cheats".......

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They will win Russ, cheats never prosper, well scousers don't. That ref is also a joke he's never had his cards in his pocket.

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Brill result :tu: any day we beat the Scousers is a good one :D :D :D

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Ahhhh, it's always nice to beat Scouseland :)

Especially in Scouseland :D

Must be a bit of an embarrassing debut for Morientes, getting substituted in the game he was so relishing to score in.

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Excellent result, all I need now is for Oldham to pulverise Proppin's mob and it will be a perfect day.:cool:

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ref was a joke not sure how he could book all them United players then when a liverpool player did the same foul it wasn't even a free kick

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feckin' cheaters, them mancunians, good job the ref was up to it ;)

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Please explain where they cheated?

Liverpool had their fair share of free kicks and we had a man sent off so what your saying is tosh!

Man Utd away tickets to Liverpool - £28

Meat Pie - £3

Couple of beers - £7

Watching scouser Rooney scoring in front of the Kop - Priceless! :D

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"Its all gone sort of quiet at the Kop end"!

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Oh well, normal city ground service resumed today.

17 corners, one goal for, two conceded.

I'm going to cry.

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It won't be his own mobile, he'll have nicked it over christmas :D :D :D

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Arsenal lost, great day for the Red Mancs...one point behind them! :D


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"Whats that you said? Speak up I can't hear you. What? Oh, you want your mobile phone back?"

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(a la Frankie Howerd) OoooOOoooo! Did they?? :D :D Again??

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Oldham Athletic 1- Doncaster Rovers 2. Oh poo, now I will be receiving a gloating PM from Proppin over at Chetnet.:(

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Still - the Arse and the Scouse lost :D

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Yes, and you know what Oldham do to teams that have good results against Arsenal, remember City's draw at Highbury, look out you Trotters.

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Hmm, wonder where he'll be calling tonight... :LOL:

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For any Reds about at the moment, good programme on BBC1 now ;)

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Down to one point behind now, the Arsenal are losing it slowly :D
It should be a good game in February, it could be make or break for either club for this season.
Let's hope there are not any punch ups on or off the field.

Liverpool are gaining ground, but it is early days for their new manager, they will get better.

Chelsea are quite a way in front of all other teams, but I think Mourinho will be very wary of united, especially after the midweek game, when United were not at full strength.

United have played very well this week, I hope it continues until the end of this season.

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I always knew the Arse's bubble would burst, I still don't take them seriously as a world-class team. Let's hope for football's sake that they go back to their "also-ran" days of the 90s as quickly as possible.

Now Chelsea, they are interesting. There's nothing like buying success, but there's no loyalty in that team. Abramovich is like a child with the keys to a sweet shop - he tries a sweet, if he doesn't like it he throws it away. That's what he's doing with his team. He'll spend millions, if they don't fit he just discards them.

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Total load of rubbish imo... ;)

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:knock: :knock: :knock: How Dare You !!!!!

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Bleh, I'm a Forest fan, so...?

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Proves the point that Arse are a good team, not a great team and a huge part to get that status is winning back to back championships.

Last season they were good but counts for nothing this season.

Watched the game on MOTD against Bolton and they were very, very dire! :D

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You wait till he's had enough of the whole team like he did in Russia a few years ago, he'll drop them like a bomb, Chelsea cannot survive without his money, he's got players on mega money, the gate recipts, tv money, merchandise etc etc come nowhere near to covering the clubs expenses. I'll give him another season then he'll go to America to sample American football or baseball.

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Wednesday night is the big night of FA cup football and if my boys succumb to the excellence of Exeter then I hereby promise to pay £100 to Scooby/Graham F/my other half. Somehow I don't think I'll end up paying, I mean Exeter for gods sake but I sincerely hope they're not famous last words :erm: cos I'm gonna get some serious stick on Friday night and have to resign from the Forum in shame.......

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woo hoo

i'm in the money :D

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Beckham has said he'd like to go back to Man U if he ever left Real Madrid.. even if Fergie was still there..

interesting that he would say that now when he's not playing well and rumoured to be on the new coaches hit list..

I'd like to see him back as no one can cross the ball as well as him and he's more consistant than Ronaldo and has more vision for passing to other team mates..

not sure if i'd like all the off field circus that goes with him though..

in other news our World Cup winner Kleberson is a target for Benfica.. i've seen more of him in the papers than i have on the pitch.. still not even sure if he is an attacking midfielder.. defensive or winger

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Its just a pity OGS got injuried. He always did a good job on the right. Lets home he can recover from his injury!

Hes supposed to be a defensive midfielder, but who ever heard of a defensive brazilian?

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Better with us than Chelsea. It would indeed be a sad day for football if he went there.

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What's wrong with Chelsea?

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We don't want football in the UK to be all about buying power, there needs to be more home grown talent coming through the clubs themselves. Chelsea is all about spending and many other clubs are following their lead. Although United have been partially guilty of this, their youth policy is well documented and this way of cultivating players is IMO the best way to bring talent in to the game. Chelsea are leading the way in to taking the game apart. This may be the footballing culture in other countries (Spain, for instance) but it's certainly not wanted here.

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Buying power means naff all if it's poorly managed though.

Blackburn, Newcastle, Liverpool are testament to the assertation money does not buy success- and Bolton, Everton etc on the other hand!

Chelsea just happen to not only have the cash but the right manager. And the key players (Terry, Lampard) were all there pre-Abramovich. Mourinho is the closest thing to OBE in the game, arrogant with the talent to match.

What Chelsea are doing is no different to what Manure and the Arse have done, albeit on a faster timescale, and they could well walk away with a clean sweep of 4 trophies this season.

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Except 'Manure' have an unrivaled youth policy history.

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There is a difference in that Man Utd and Arsenal have earnt the money they spend by being successful and good business practices.

I'm sure every team would love a Sugar Daddy.

I'm sure Notts Forest fans would like it if someone like Abramovich took over from your current chairman.

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Yes but also enough money to spend on van Nistlerooy, Forlan, Taibi, Barthez, Ferdinand, Heinze, Saha, Smith, Keane (from whom ;)), Silvestre, etc etc.

They have a youth setup which has produced players for them- but they've also bought a fair whack as well.

Chelsea have brought a fair few through as well- Huth, Terry, and developed other players they've bought - Lampard, Gudjohnsen.

Fact is money does NOT buy success which was my point.
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Yes I would, IMO our chairman is a ******* ******, a ****, ****, **** and want him out now. But that misses the point.

Man U have a massive fanbase worldwide, they fill the ground practically every game, countless others in merchandise and MuTV- and it was almost as big before '92 as well.

Arsenal not so much- Wenger has been astute and they are in debt- manageable though- but still spent money on the squad.

Success breeds success and Chelsea will probably get substantial return in prize money, etc, on the initial outlay, as Manure and Arse have done.

Not really success and good business practice.

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you missed out the £25mill ion plus they spent on Rooney :p:

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Yes, I said United have spent BIG - but also have a very successful youth policy. Chelsea just had some russian appear from nowhere and start throwing the cash about, thus eliminating any last traces of a 'sport'.

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Yes but they spent before as well.

Lampard (11m), Hasselbaink (7.5m), Gudjohnsen (4m) being a few salient examples. Di Matteo, Zola... list goes on!

They're only speeding up the team building process. They didn't spend that much last summer and they probably won't this. Mourinho only wants a small squad.

United have spent big? Let's take a look at the team from Saturday.
Man Utd: Carroll (Wigan, 2.5m, 2001), Phil Neville (YTS), Brown (YTS), Silvestre (Inter, 4m, 1999), Heinze (6.9m, PSG, 2004), Fletcher (YTS), Keane (Forest, 3.5m, 1993), Scholes (YTS), Ronaldo (Lisbon, 12.24m, 2003) (O'Shea (YTS) 67), Rooney (Everton, 20m, 2004) (Bellion (Sunderland, 2m, 2003) 90), Saha (Fulham, 12.82m, 2004) (Fortune (A Madrid, 1.25m, 1999) 79).
Subs Not Used: Howard (MLS, 2.3m), Miller (Celtic, free, 2004).

Total- 5 YTS players in first 16, £67.51m . That's spending big.

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Erm, I'm sure you didn't intend to but thanks for backing up my point....

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The only point I backed up was the one we were in accord over ie United had spent big.

Chelsea spent before Abramovich and will continue to do so.

The fact you were so ready to gloat about United's kids, so good they're not in the team- where did I back that up?

Oh and compare Utd's XI with Forest's arguably best XI:

Gerrard (Everton, free, 2004), Louis-Jean (Le Havre, free, 1998), Rogers (Leicester, free, 2004), Dawson (YTS), Morgan (YTS), Commons (Stoke, 300k, 2004), Derry (loan), Bopp (YTS), Reid (YTS), King (Gillingham, 950k, 2003), Harris (Millwall, free, 2004)

4 YTS players (and plenty in reserve), 4 free transfers, total assembled 1.25m.

Look outside the premiership and that is pretty common.

Now come again...

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Who said I was gloating over United's kids? Why would I do that when their youth policy is well documented??

And and on the subject of comparing Forest with United, take a quick look at their respective league positions before you make any more comparisons in future ;) :D

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as i think Russ said a few posts ago yes we have spent big of late..but only after we started earing that on and off the pitch.. Ruud, Rio and Rooney being the big ones we have always had a youth setup as well ever since the days of Busby.. we have always relied on this coupled with a few big buys..

i don't think we are as bad as Chelsea but I don't think in today's day and age we could do a 99 and get all the way to the treble with just a youth setup.. you have to buy now to compete with the other clubs going for the title but you have to spend well or you end up like Leeds..

if you don't buy you don't win..

it does seem silly the prices some players go for though..

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How many champions league wins again?

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2 overall :)

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Hehe, ok, you win. I won't mention Premier league titles or FA Cup wins ;)

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Surely it should be a draw? Forest have won it the same amount of times as Man Utd.

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Competitions for reserve teams don't count.

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....really? I wasn't aware you were making up the rules as you go along. In that case, perhaps that's why we've not mentioned the league cup.

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Definately a draw. 1968 & 1999 for us and was it '76 & '77 for forest (could be '77 & '78)

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79 and 80 was it not?

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One point to the man in the [dunno] coloured shirt... it was 79-80. Meaning exactly 25 yrs ago we're going down again.

Of course, when Utd won it in 99 they weren't champions.

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Well not going into the start of the comp, but going into that final we were... ;) :) :D

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i think you are right that's when forest won it.. they did it back to back and we did it with 2 teams not sure what it better there.. was harder when forest done it as you had to win the league to get in it the way it should be and you could be drawn against any team.. they alse set the unbeaten league run that arsenal beat last year..

not sure how many players they used but would be something like 15

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Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but didn't we do the double that year??

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If you mean '99, yes you are wrong, it was the treble... :)

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Ahh yes, that's right. Winning so much, it's easy to get mixed up :D

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we were the first team to win it who hadn't won their league the year before

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Anyone seen the Liverpool score lately?
Burnley 1 - Liverpool 0 :erm: Oh well, never mind.

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burnly just beat liverpool ! the fa cup is still alive :tu:

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Yeah. Paul said, just before you.

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Shhhh ;) Let him have his moment of glory. It's worth repeating anyway :p:
Burnley 1 - Liverpool 0

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You did the treble- but the fact is you weren't champions in the qualifying season 97-98 (Arsenal were) so you shouldn't really have been in a competition for clubs who WON their league (ie the Champions' League) but FIFA pandering to the wishes of the big teams again.

It was harder to win it when it was unseeded draw, 2 leg knockout, competition, now you can draw your group games and still go through.
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something pathetically small. SBC had a definitive first XI that in the event of no midweek game he'd even take off for a friendly! And he'd still play them all the time.
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Well of course we've only won the league once but we won the thing so entered as holders the second time round.

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It's amazing how bitter people become after their teams' glory years are just a fading memory :D

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What, like yours will be after you lose to Exeter, and in a few years when chelsea are cleaning up all and sundry...

Fact remains that Clough took a team of misfits and cheap players from 16thish in the second division to league champions straight after promotion, and the best team in Europe, twice in two years. That will NEVER be done again.

No-one can take that away from Forest. They'll be back as soon as they can remove that prat of a chairman.

And in any case. If bitterness were a pill Man Utd and their whinging idiot of a manager would have ODed on it and be in intensive care having their stomach pumped on a life support. Pfft.

This seems to have wandered anyway.

Chelsea are a joy to watch, play good, honest, football based on solid defending. Mourinho may not exhude classic one liners like SBC did but he's as close as one can get (Porto, european champions? :LOL: ) to a modern SBC. There is nothing wrong with their spending. They only brought in 5 this year and I can't see them buying much more.

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Ok. I'll let you have your moment of glory.

And thanks for reminding the rest of us about who Nottm Forest are. Most people here are either to young to remember their glory days or have simply forgotten :D

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Idiot. We were in the Premiership up until recently (your lot won 8-1 at our place once- which kind of flattered you lot really, don't think our defence turned up but the rest weren't too bad), reached the QFs of the UEFA cup in 1996, and third in PL in 95. League Cup in 89 and 90.

That's not too far away.

Although we're gonna be the first Euro Champs to be demoted to the third tier of their league :( Sort it out Megson...

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First of all, if you want to keep posting here, you won't call me or anyone else on this site an idiot and you'll refrain from any further personal attacks.

Secondly....where are Forest in the league? And where are United? Case closed :D

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Well if Mr Wenger had his way and we had video evidence, Porto would not have got past the 1/4 finals of last seasons Champions League, would Jose have become Chelsea manager if it a half wit of a linesman had not disallowed Paul Scholes perfectly legitimate goal.

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Pfft. It was in the same vein to your comments about my side and was hence a joke- but if you were offended, sorry... :(
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But the goal was disallowed, and so they went through. You can't live on "if n goal wasn't disallowed then blah" because Porto may have won after the goal anyway.

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Don't worry all my fellow Man Utd supporters cause even if Chelsea win the league this season they will become like the Arse, one season wonders! :D

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Blackpool 0 Leicester 1 ;)

:D

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Ahem... you still needed a replay to beat the side 20th in League One... :LOL::D

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Djimi "Zidane" Traore
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Cracking goal.

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Talk about stating the obvious Link :2up:

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Prediction for tonight's game, I don't know what the team is for united yet, but I will go for Exeter 0 Man Utd 4


I hope :erm:

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i read that moments ago, dont worry cockyness and arrogance wont get you far... just look at arse..nal ;)

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Is it just me or is anyone else wondering what the hells going on in this match :eek:

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Oh I can tell you - poor finishing plus that annoying phenomenon where the goalkeeper of teams which United should swat aside goes out and has the best game of his life.... :grind:

edit: ahhhhhh!!!

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Phew, thats just saved me £100 :D :D :D :D :D

Bring on those Boro boys now ;)

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Give them their due, Exeter put up one hell of a fight. It raised their profile and that keeper is definately going places.

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Phewww...

Just a question, I thought that Exeter's home strip was red and white strips, so why were they playing in their away strip for?

Exeter did play well though. :clap:

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Apparently the two teams agreed after the last match to wear the same kits.

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Just wondered why. Thanks.

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must admit it wasn't the greatest performane we have ever done and if we play like that boro will beat us in the next round..

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So what do you gooners think of Arsenal's new kit for next season.

http://www.arsenal.com/images/Previo.../item1_big.jpg

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its a shame we carnt see the front of the kits.

Are them 2 homosexual?

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Insulting...

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Don'tthink they have released a photo of the front yet. Wonder if they'll use the old or new badge.

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looks more like a polo shirt than a football kit though

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Not at all a simple question. :)

I'm not in anyway homophobic. :angel: I have a few friends that are gay so no worries. :D

I have never seen the players and just wondered :confused:

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Are you now? As much as it pains me to admit it, I seem to remember Villa being relegated to the old third division in the mid-80s (about 8 years after we won the European Cup).

Oh well, thanks for giving me a chuckle - Forest can't even fall apart first ;) :D

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:rofl: :rofl:

well they are french and they like kissing ;) im not an arsenal fan skunk4u, my team is man utd :hyper:

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Oh how I wished I supported them when I was a kid. :dozey: I think I would be so much happier supporting a team that wins all the time. ;) Too late now Leicester till I die :D

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shoot those damn foxes :D ;)

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Not what I meant, I meant the kit change is insulting. I shouldn't have used Fast Reply. :(

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dunno about what the gooners think of their new kit but to me the phrase "big girls blouses" springs to mind.......
20LEgend

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...to homosexuals? :D