Cable Forum - Coronavirus (OLD)

They obviously must think that driving a car is the way to test your eyesight.

Call me old fashioned but I would have thought that a visit for a eye-test in a opticians might be the way to do it.

papa smurf

26-05-2020 12:37

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36037112)

I am not an authority on driving but I know you shouldn't drive to test your eyesight.

Why didn't he just say he drove to see if he was capable of driving for a while without getting tired? He actually had time to draw up that answer!

I always test mine by taking a few pot shots at the neighbours kids with my air rifle,it's much safer than driving.

cimt	26-05-2020 12:45

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I'm due an eye test so i may have to go out on my scooter for it. It seems like the cheaper option.

Damien

26-05-2020 12:47

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Ok, I am guilty of this as well but let's keep the Cummings stuff to his own thread :)

1andrew1

26-05-2020 12:53

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36037044)

So all the moaners will have to sit in the smoking area that'll be intersting.

Maybe get rid of the smoking areas. Reduce social distancing requirements to one metre. Not all opens could re-open, more the countryside pubs in the Conservative home and shire counties which have beer gardens but focus more on food these days. Gives people a feel-good factor and gets a bit more of the economy going. But city pubs I suspect will have to hang on a bit.

papa smurf

26-05-2020 12:56

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36037120)

Maybe the smokers go inside the pub and the moaners stay outside.

Paul	26-05-2020 14:57

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36037120)

Maybe get rid of the smoking areas. Reduce social distancing requirements to one metre.

There is actually nothing special about 2 meters, its just a number the UK picked.
(I suspect more people in the UK would have understood 6 feet, rather than 2 meters).

"The World Health Organization says that a distance of one metre is safe, while others suggest 1.5m or 1.8m with the UK opting for two metres".

There isnt anything particularly magical about the often banded 15 minutes either.
Its simply a case of "the longer you spend in close proximity with an infected person, the more your chances of catching the virus go up".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52522460

jfman

26-05-2020 15:04

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That's the nature of arbitrary definitions though. 30 miles per hour in the car doesn't magically improve safety in a built up area over 31mph.

In air conditioned environments the virus has been shown to infect people six metres away, and infecting people entering in area up to 30 minutes after the originally infected individual has left. It's be unrealistic to make that a definition though off the back of one isolated example.

Taf	26-05-2020 19:54

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On a personal note:

Home Bargains. 20 minute wait, OK in the shop.

Aldi. No wait, OK in the shop.

Lidl. 15 minute wait, then almost as soon as I got into the shop an elderly gentleman in front of me got peed-off with 4 Pakistani kids running amok whilst their parents blocked the aisle as they chatted on the mobiles. He swung his trolley around to stop then bumping into him, then bellowed at them at the top of his voice. A word I have not heard in over 40 years. They all got the message and squeezed themselves against the side of the aisle and let him advance. On the way to the till, 2 huge obese women blocked the aisle whilst they had a very foul-mouthed chat. So I played curling with my heavy trolley. They got the message, as did the security guard who told them to do their shopping and then chat outside.

Tesco. A huge queue in blazing sunshine, so I came home. Lucky for me that the prescriptions won't be ready until late tomorrow afternoon.

1andrew1

26-05-2020 21:06

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36037106)

Perhaps one for the other thread, but why do you doubt a second wave ?

From this:

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Professor Karol Sikora @ProfKarolSikora
Really encouraging to read Dr María Neira, the WHO Director for Public Health, say their models are showing a second wave being increasingly ruled out.
Caution required, but she thinks that the virus will have a hard time surviving.
The most optimistic the WHO have been!

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/...32235705270272

Hugh	26-05-2020 21:16

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36037198)

From this:

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/...32235705270272

More details

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...a_second_wave/

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The director of Public Health of the World Health Organization (WHO) , María Neira , said on Monday that the models they work with are "increasingly" ruling out a second wave of the coronavirus.

However, Neira has called for "great caution" and "common sense" in this "very critical" phase of the pandemic (de-escalation), and, in statements to RAC-1, has requested that the population should not be paranoid nor should they relax too much, but they should "learn to live with infectious diseases ".

“There are many models that predict many probabilities such as a punctual regrowth or a major wave, but this last possibility is increasingly being ruled out. We are much better prepared in all areas'', said the Spanish doctor.

According to Neira, “ we have lowered the transmission rate so much that the virus will have difficulty surviving . We must be very careful to say whether this is the end of the wave, but the data at least shows us that the transmission and explosion of the first weeks have been avoided''.

However, she pointed out that "it is worth not making many forecasts because the next few weeks are a very critical phase."

«With reopening you have to see how the virus behaves. We hope there will be no other outbreaks, but it will be a day-to-day battle. In two or three weeks we will see what has happened and if it is necessary to correct it surgically ”, she said about the de-escalation in phase 1 that all of Spain has entered.

1andrew1

28-05-2020 09:14

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UK suffers highest death rate from coronavirus

FT analysis of data from 19 countries finds Britain hit hardest, ahead of US, Italy, Spain and Belgium.

The UK has suffered the highest rate of deaths from the coronavirus pandemic among countries that produce comparable data, according to excess mortality figures. The UK has registered 59,537 more deaths than usual since the week ending March 20, indicating that the virus has directly or indirectly killed 891 people per million.

At this stage of the pandemic, that is a higher rate of death than in any country for which high-quality data exist. The absolute number of excess deaths in the UK is also the highest in Europe, and second only to the US in global terms, according to data collected by the Financial Times.

The country fares no better on another measure: the percentage increase in deaths compared with normal levels, where the UK once again is the worst hit in Europe and behind only Peru internationally.

I think the second sentence is an important point:

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David Spiegelhalter, Winton professor of the public understanding of risk at Cambridge university, said: “If we can believe the data from other countries, then the UK has done badly in terms of excess deaths. The issues now concern what will happen for the rest of the year, and trying to understand the processes contributing to our large excess.”

The full article can be read free of charge here: https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-...2-648ffde71bf0

Sephiroth

28-05-2020 09:40

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Yes - this is an important piece of analysis by the FT.

Although no such graph was presented, the stark fact is that the XS deaths amplitude is higher the further along the X axis (date of lock down implementation) you go.

Of course, this now goes to what you want to do with the facts. Blame? That's too easy and would exercise people with political motives. Lessons learned? Probably - but stable door comes to mind. Inform next steps? Possibly - but we need to see how the other countries are doing and assess the WHO's suggestion that a 2nd wave might not occur.

But there's plenty of stuff there for Boris/Cummings haters to chew on.

On an objective basis, it would seem that the wise government policy, almost fully supported by the peops, came a fortnight too late.

1andrew1

28-05-2020 09:53

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Will the 14-day quarantine process for in-bound travellers happen?

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As Boris Johnson appeared to concede that travel quarantine would be a “three-week wonder” travel businesses have demanded that the scheme should be scrapped before it even begins.
Leaders of high-profile companies call the plan for 14 days of self-isolation “poorly thought-out, wholly detrimental to industry recovery and more or less unworkable”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9536001.html

Meanwhile, what better than to make the public forget Cumminsgate? Talk up pubs re-opening of course!

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New moves to ease the two-metre social distancing rule could bring more cheer. Boris said: “We may be able to do things faster than I thought.”The PM said pubs, restaurants and hotels may all reopen next month.

He is also expected to announce new rules allowing two households to meet for barbecues at tomorrow afternoon’s three-week review of the coronavirus lockdown. The hospitality sector was due to be shuttered until July 4 at the earliest under the PM’s roadmap for easing restrictions.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/117228...n-coronavirus/

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36037380)

On an objective basis, it would seem that the wise government policy, almost fully supported by the peops, came a fortnight too late.

Spot on and if i were in a position of power I'd been keen to ensure that I could not be associated with the herd immunity policy.
The key thing to learn now is what other factors may have led to this situation arising so we can ensure they're being addressed by the measures we're implementing.

Pierre

28-05-2020 10:31

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36037199)

More details

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...a_second_wave/

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However, Neira has called for "great caution" and "common sense" in this "very critical" phase of the pandemic (de-escalation), and, in statements to RAC-1, has requested that the population should not be paranoid nor should they relax too much, but they should "learn to live with infectious diseases ".

Sounds very much like "stay alert" to me, you know the very much ridiculed and supposedly confusing message from HMG.

---------- Post added at 10:31 ---------- Previous post was at 10:29 ----------

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36037377)

I think the second sentence is an important point:

the first sentence is also important:

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David Spiegelhalter, Winton professor of the public understanding of risk at Cambridge university, said: “If we can believe the data from other countries, then the UK has done badly in terms of excess deaths. The issues now concern what will happen for the rest of the year, and trying to understand the processes contributing to our large excess.”

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