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TheDaddy 30-10-2025 23:33

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36205613)
Indeed, Russia’s problem is that they have hinted from the very start of this, that any intervention from the West would be regarded as an act of war. Supporting Ukraine - that’s WW3; supplying weapons to Ukraine - that’s WW3; supplying weapons that can hit targets in Russia itself - that’s WW3.

Except, the West has done all of these, and we still seem to be here.

Russia probably can't trust their nuclear weapons anyway, nothing else they have military wise is maintained after all

Sephiroth 30-10-2025 23:50

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
You can be sure that at least the one of those aimed at us will get through.

Hugh 31-10-2025 01:31

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36205639)
You can be sure that at least the one of those aimed at us will get through.

No, you can’t…

Carth 31-10-2025 03:38

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Why would they waste an expensive missile (or three) on a Country that is already going under?

Hugh 31-10-2025 10:14

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36205646)
Why would they waste an expensive missile (or three) on a Country that is already going under?

To stop your constant negativity and whinging? ;)

Carth 31-10-2025 11:51

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36205653)
To stop your constant negativity and whinging? ;)

One mans negativity and whinging is another mans reality :p:

Anyway it's a valid point, the UK seems to be fast becoming the dumping ground of Europe (if not the World) . . which I believe was talked about (quietly, so as not to upset the easily panicked people) a few years ago. ;)

Hugh 31-10-2025 12:06

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dumping ground of Europe
In what way?

Sephiroth 31-10-2025 14:09

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36205645)
No, you can’t…

Sod's law.

Chris 17-11-2025 20:44

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp85g86x0zgo

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Poland's prime minister has said an explosion on a railway line leading to the Ukraine border this weekend was caused by "an unprecedented act of sabotage", and vowed to catch those responsible "regardless of who their backers are".
Visiting the scene this morning, Donald Tusk said the damage done to the railway tracks on Sunday was deliberate and likely aimed at blowing up the train. He expressed relief there were no casualties.
Speaking later in Warsaw, after an emergency meeting of security officials, Poland's special services minister said there was a "very high chance" that the blast was carried out on the orders of "foreign services".
Behind closed doors at least, I hope the leaders of European nations understand and accept that we are in fact already at war with Russia.

Carth 17-11-2025 21:00

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36206445)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp85g86x0zgo

Behind closed doors at least, I hope the leaders of European nations understand and accept that we are in fact already at war with Russia.

War *tut* what's it good for . . .

well actually, if your Country has a shortage of Jobs, Housing, and facing a growing problem with Food & Water due to an ever growing population that also needs Health Care and Education (which are also feeling the squeeze), it seems a decent enough way to solve a few problems . . as long as all parties involved don't go overboard and start throwing nukes about ;)

Pierre 17-11-2025 22:20

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36206445)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp85g86x0zgo



Behind closed doors at least, I hope the leaders of European nations understand and accept that we are in fact already at war with Russia.

Indeed, it was a legitimate target, from a Russian perspective.

NATO I would hope have done van assessment of other potential “legitimate” targets.

Hugh 17-11-2025 22:40

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36206452)
Indeed, it was a legitimate target, from a Russian perspective.

NATO I would hope have done van assessment of other potential “legitimate” targets.


By that interpretation of the Russian perspective, any weapon production site* in the UK that has produced munitions being used in Ukraine's defence against the Russian invasion could be regarded as a legitimate target...

*(Stevenage - Storm Shadow missiles, Belfast - Martlet missiles, Sheffield - artillery barrels, Bolton - RAVEN Ground Based Air Defence Systems and Brimstone 2 missiles, East Anglia - Ukrainian Army training, etc., etc.)

Chris 17-11-2025 22:52

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36206454)
By that interpretation of the Russian perspective, any weapon production site* in the UK that has produced munitions being used in Ukraine's defence against the Russian invasion could be regarded as a legitimate target...

*(Stevenage - Storm Shadow missiles, Belfast - Martlet missiles, Sheffield - artillery barrels, Bolton - RAVEN Ground Based Air Defence Systems and Brimstone 2 missiles, East Anglia - Ukrainian Army training, etc., etc.)

Sobering thought, isn’t it.

Pierre 17-11-2025 23:35

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36206454)
By that interpretation of the Russian perspective, any weapon production site* in the UK that has produced munitions being used in Ukraine's defence against the Russian invasion could be regarded as a legitimate target...

*(Stevenage - Storm Shadow missiles, Belfast - Martlet missiles, Sheffield - artillery barrels, Bolton - RAVEN Ground Based Air Defence Systems and Brimstone 2 missiles, East Anglia - Ukrainian Army training, etc., etc.)

I’ll refine…but only a little bit…..Legitimate grey target.

The Poland incident……..might be Russia, might not …classic grey zone operation on a remote piece of infrastructure, that is difficult to attribute to the relevant actor.

A targeted attack on facilities in Stevenage, Belfast, Sheffield etc, on U.K. soil would be a lot harder to plausibly deny.

But as an ex-military individual, I thought you’d know that?

Damien 17-11-2025 23:44

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
This is a country which has attempted and committed an assassination on UK soil and killed a British citizen in doing so. I don't think they care. Obviously, an attack on British infrastructure would be a further escalation.


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