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Sephiroth 08-02-2021 11:26
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36069825)
It can sometimes come across like a football club owner declaring confidence in a failing manager whilst he's scrambling to find his successor.

On the other hand, what should a minister do if asked the question?
In these circumstances, the minister should set up a press conference and ensure that the explanations are given by the trusted professionals.

nomadking 08-02-2021 11:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
South Africa will have a higher proportion of the South Africa variant. Bit obvious really.

jfman 08-02-2021 11:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36069827)
In these circumstances, the minister should set up a press conference and ensure that the explanations are given by the trusted professionals.
If so it should be made explicitly clear if/where Ministers have diverged from scientific advice. It's not the job of public sector employees to provide Ministers a shield to hide behind if they've forged their own path.

1andrew1 08-02-2021 11:50
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36069829)
South Africa will have a higher proportion of the South Africa variant. Bit obvious really.
I don't think that's in contention.

Sephiroth 08-02-2021 12:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36069830)
If so it should be made explicitly clear if/where Ministers have diverged from scientific advice. It's not the job of public sector employees to provide Ministers a shield to hide behind if they've forged their own path.
Your last sentence - yes obviously. My reading of the JVT and Whitty performances is that they do not let the ministers hide behind their advice. Same with the Oxford labs lady.

Hugh 08-02-2021 14:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36069829)
South Africa will have a higher proportion of the South Africa variant. Bit obvious really.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36069831)
I don't think that's in contention.
FYI...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...fe5_story.html
Quote:
U.K. coronavirus variant spreading rapidly through United States, study finds

The coronavirus variant that shut down much of the United Kingdom is spreading rapidly across the United States, outcompeting other strains and doubling its prevalence among confirmed infections every week and a half, according to new research made public Sunday.
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The report concludes that the variant has been 35 to 45 percent more transmissible than other strains of the virus in the United States.
“It is here, it’s got its hooks deep into this country, and it’s on its way to very quickly becoming the dominant lineage,” said Michael Worobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona and a co-author of the new paper.

Chris 08-02-2021 14:49
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The British are coming!

jfman 08-02-2021 15:50
Re: Coronavirus
 
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/pfi...134831267.html

Quite difficult to find this good news in the more mainstream UK press but a tiny study appears to show the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine as producing and effective response to the South African variant.

Sky's opinion piece has someone describing it as a "little more effective" than the Oxford/Astrazenica one. Obviously real world results could vary, and we hope all vaccines work regardless of where they are being deployed. However it seems nobody does vaccine nationalism quite like the Great British press.

papa smurf 08-02-2021 16:33
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36069864)
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/pfi...134831267.html

Quite difficult to find this good news in the more mainstream UK press but a tiny study appears to show the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine as producing and effective response to the South African variant.

Sky's opinion piece has someone describing it as a "little more effective" than the Oxford/Astrazenica one. Obviously real world results could vary, and we hope all vaccines work regardless of where they are being deployed. However it seems nobody does vaccine nationalism quite like the Great British press.
In a study of 20 vaccine recipients, researchers at the University of Texas Medical Branch (UTMB) at Galveston, America, found that the vaccine neutralises the virus with the N501Y and E484K mutations.


No wonder it's not in the mainstream press.

Chris 08-02-2021 16:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36069864)
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/pfi...134831267.html

Quite difficult to find this good news in the more mainstream UK press but a tiny study appears to show the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine as producing and effective response to the South African variant.

Sky's opinion piece has someone describing it as a "little more effective" than the Oxford/Astrazenica one. Obviously real world results could vary, and we hope all vaccines work regardless of where they are being deployed. However it seems nobody does vaccine nationalism quite like the Great British press.
The AstraZeneca vaccine makes up the bulk of our supply at present. Stories of its effectiveness are obviously of greater interest.

A study of 20 patients has no statistical significance whatsoever - you have consistently felt entitled to question the effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine on a far larger sample of over-65s.

I think you need to decide what you believe and stick to it ...

jfman 08-02-2021 17:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36069868)
The AstraZeneca vaccine makes up the bulk of our supply at present. Stories of its effectiveness are obviously of greater interest.

A study of 20 patients has no statistical significance whatsoever - you have consistently felt entitled to question the effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine on a far larger sample of over-65s.

I think you need to decide what you believe and stick to it ...
I acknowledge it’s a tiny study and real world results could vary - I’m not sure what’s wrong about that? It obviously needs more research, and indeed as the Pfizer vaccine rolls out in the real world further data can and will emerge.

I hope the emerging data on over 65s for the AstraZeneca vaccine is good, and I’ve acknowledged the scope for other countries to use the doubts as a way to push past the “hardest to reach” and get more vaccine out there from larger sites. I’m not sure what’s wrong about that but I find it hard to believe all these scientists in all these other countries are questioning the data simply to irk the UK as the Daily Express keep telling me.

pip08456 08-02-2021 18:46
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It's only the EU countries that are doing it to irk the UK. Haven't you realised that yet?

1andrew1 08-02-2021 18:49
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36069885)
It's only the EU countries that are doing it to irk the UK. Haven't you realised that yet?
The USA and Switzerland are both in on this dastardly conspiracy too! :D

jfman 08-02-2021 19:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36069885)
It's only the EU countries that are doing it to irk the UK. Haven't you realised that yet?
And South Africa who have paused their rollout plans completely.

Mad Max 08-02-2021 20:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Not long back from getting the Pfizer jab, had to stand outside in the snow for 45 minutes in a pretty big queue, once inside it was a pretty quick turnaround, the nurse was really nice and apologised for the delay, which she said was about an hour, no idea why there was a delay, maybe something to do with the bad weather, anyway I go back in 12 weeks for second dose.


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