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1andrew1 25-08-2020 09:57
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The two recurring issues are fishing rights and a level playing field.

If a suitable deal on fishing des not happen, a free trade deal won't happen. And no deal will result in French fishermen blocking Calais and no market for our fish. If a deal is reached, expect cash (hidden to keep the Breixters happy) to pension off some of the French fishing fleet over time and a gradual withdrawal from British waters.

The EU has free trading deals with all the main trading blocs and countries though its recent one with the US seems quite limited. Such deals confer on the signatories improvements to the deals if the EU negotiates deals with other countries. So the EU is not going to start removing its level playing field requirement with the UK as it will open the floodgates globally to subsidised goods being dumped in the single market.

The EU has made its red lines in these areas quite clear.

Let's remind ourselves of the cards held. The UK has trade deals with South Korea, Switzerland and Liechenstein.

The EU has its own market of 450m people plus trade deals with most blocs and countries in the world including Japan and Canada. And and its team negotiating with NZ was praised whilst the UK's was called "not match fit".

Anyone still think we hold all the cards? Thought not!

papa smurf 25-08-2020 10:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36047679)
The two recurring issues are fishing rights and a level playing field.

If a suitable deal on fishing des not happen, a free trade deal won't happen. And no deal will result in French fishermen blocking Calais and no market for our fish. If a deal is reached, expect cash (hidden to keep the Breixters happy) to pension off some of the French fishing fleet over time and a gradual withdrawal from British waters.

The EU has free trading deals with all the main trading blocs and countries though its recent one with the US seems quite limited. Such deals confer on the signatories improvements to the deals if the EU negotiates deals with other countries. So the EU is not going to start removing its level playing field requirement with the UK as it will open the floodgates globally to subsidised goods being dumped in the single market.

The EU has made its red lines in these areas quite clear.

Let's remind ourselves of the cards held. The UK has trade deals with South Korea, Switzerland and Liechenstein.

The EU has its own market of 450m people plus trade deals with most blocs and countries in the world including Japan and Canada. And and its team negotiating with NZ was praised whilst the UK's was called "not match fit".

Anyone still think we hold all the cards? Thought not!
Does anyone think we don't hold all the cards ? thought not :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Carth 25-08-2020 10:15
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But Andrew, you said in an earlier post that 'there are plenty of non UK fish in the sea', so why do they desperately need our fish?

Can't wait for the French to start blockading ports again, years since we've seen so much fun. :D

and do you really think that if a 'secret' deal was struck by the UK to pension off the French fishing fleet, it would stay out of the news?

papa smurf 25-08-2020 10:19
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36047686)
But Andrew, you said in an earlier post that 'there are plenty of non UK fish in the sea', so why do they desperately need our fish?

Can't wait for the French to start blockading ports again, years since we've seen so much fun. :D

and do you really think that if a 'secret' deal was struck by the UK to pension off the French fishing fleet, it would stay out of the news?
You might find it easier to communicate with him using semaphore,get a couple of white flags and wave them around it's the only language he understands;)

Hugh 25-08-2020 10:35
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You forgot this bit from the article, explains the blame game will be in the UK team, not the EU...
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An EU insider said: "Outsiders don’t realise how pessimistic we’ve become.

"We expect the mood to switch rapidly to contingency planning, in expectation the UK will throw itself into the blame game rather than the end game.

"The idea that if we do end up with no deal it’ll be because the EU underestimated the UK’s determination is misplaced.
Ooh le heck,le reality ezz not what vous thought eet was.

papa smurf 25-08-2020 10:43
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36047694)
You forgot this bit from the article, explains the blame game will be in the UK team, not the EU...

Ooh le heck,le reality ezz not what vous thought eet was.
I deed not forgeet it it waz in zee article,and by zee way your French eez le terrible;)

1andrew1 25-08-2020 10:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36047686)
But Andrew, you said in an earlier post that 'there are plenty of non UK fish in the sea', so why do they desperately need our fish?

Can't wait for the French to start blockading ports again, years since we've seen so much fun. :D

and do you really think that if a 'secret' deal was struck by the UK to pension off the French fishing fleet, it would stay out of the news?
Fish is a generic term - perhaps the species the French like are in our waters? Blockading ports and disrupting medicine supplies is not a great place to be in, especially with Covid still present. There's been plenty of financial deals struck so far with the EU giving billions away (think our shares in the EIB for example ) so something like this for a few million extra in development funds for the ports of Calais and Dover can easily be done, no issues. When the Government's chopping down money tree forests the size of the Amazon, such things won't be apparent.

Hugh 25-08-2020 11:00
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36047698)
I deed not forgeet it it waz in zee article,and by zee way your French eez le terrible;)
My apologies - I should have said "you conveniently omitted this part, which contradicted what you posted".

I'll try to be clearer next time... :D

nomadking 25-08-2020 11:34
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The EU buy and eat fish caught in UK waters. How are they going to make up any shortfall? The EU fishing quotas will have been reduced because of the reduction of the potential fishing area, so increasing fishing in non-UK waters isn't an option.

papa smurf 25-08-2020 11:45
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36047712)
The EU buy and eat fish caught in UK waters. How are they going to make up any shortfall? The EU fishing quotas will have been reduced because of the reduction of the potential fishing area, so increasing fishing in non-UK waters isn't an option.
Theft probably.

Sephiroth 25-08-2020 12:00
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36047698)
I deed not forgeet it it waz in zee article,and by zee way your French eez le terrible;)
... et tres obtusement.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36047712)
The EU buy and eat fish caught in UK waters. How are they going to make up any shortfall? The EU fishing quotas will have been reduced because of the reduction of the potential fishing area, so increasing fishing in non-UK waters isn't an option.
The same way the Scots will make up the £25 billion (or whatever)!

Carth 25-08-2020 12:09
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* How are they going to make up any shortfall? *

Well they could go cap in hand to Norway or Iceland and hope to persuade them to increase the EU quota allowed ;)

Hugh 25-08-2020 22:40
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36047715)
... et tres obtusement.

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The same way the Scots will make up the £25 billion (or whatever)!
https://memeguy.com/photos/images/yo...ies-311724.gif

Hamster, elderberries, etc., etc.. :D

1andrew1 26-08-2020 00:11
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Looks like the Government has acknowledged its negotiating team is indeed not "match fit" and is desperately bringing some business expertise on board.

Better late than never!
Quote:
Some of the City of London’s most prominent business leaders have been drafted in by the government to consult on the UK’s ongoing trade negotiations.

Leaders from companies such as EY, Barclays and HSBC will be members of the Department of International Trade’s newly formed trade advisory groups.

The government is simultaneously negotiating trade deal with the EU, US, Japan, Australia and New Zealand as the UK prepares to leave the EU’s customs union and single market on 31 December.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...ns/ar-BB18mIGn

Carth 26-08-2020 01:58
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
Bankers & Accountants . . . just what we need to screw things up again :rolleyes:


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