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OLD BOY 16-06-2019 16:08
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35999304)
We'll either have a withdrawal agreement or we won't leave.
Correction. We may have a withdrawal agreement if the EU climbs down off its high horse. Or we will make use of the protection period as provided for in Article 28 of GATT. Or we leave without a deal.

However, we will leave, one way or another.

Pierre 16-06-2019 17:11
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35999275)
I think they will if they are faced with us leaving with no deal and no payment.
Unfortunately Pops, our Parliament has nullified that threat, so they will never be faced with that outcome.

nomadking 16-06-2019 17:29
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35999325)
Unfortunately Pops, our Parliament has nullified that threat, so they will never be faced with that outcome.
When did they do that?
Link

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After Theresa May's deal was defeated, the Brexit deadline was extended to 31 October.
To avoid a no-deal Brexit on this date, the UK government must pass a Brexit divorce plan into law, obtain another extension from the EU, or cancel Brexit.

Damien 16-06-2019 17:31
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999316)
If it’s Boris, he’ll have to keep his word on the 39 billion. Sod them, they will always try to disadvantage us so we need to be smart. And we are provided the politicians sort themselves out.
And after we leave we have to go back to the EU for a trade deal. We are going to have to work out a trade deal with the large single-market in the world that's right on our doorstep. Of course they'll try to 'disadvantage' us, that's the nature of the negotiations.

heero_yuy 16-06-2019 17:51
Re: Brexit
 
We don't have to back to the EU for a trade deal. We can trade on WTO rules. That £39bn is better spent on our people than pissed up against the EU wall.

Sephiroth 16-06-2019 18:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35999327)
And after we leave we have to go back to the EU for a trade deal. We are going to have to work out a trade deal with the large single-market in the world that's right on our doorstep. Of course they'll try to 'disadvantage' us, that's the nature of the negotiations.
This is what bothers me about the Remainers on this thread. They are mostly coming from the stop Brexit end and tell us that it's better to remain because their lovely EU will always try to disadvantage us in these circumstances.

The Leavers, intent, of course on fulfilling direct democracy and gaining full sovereignty for the UK, argue that anyone trying to disadvantage us should be treated with disdain They also argue that 39 billion and tariffs on French and German cars are a useful weapon from our side. We must not allow the EU to trample on us and to Remain is to cave into bullies who will remain bullies.

Pierre 16-06-2019 18:27
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35999326)
When did they do that?
Link
Well given that we’ve passed 2no. Previous exit dates what’s makes you think this one is final?

nomadking 16-06-2019 18:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35999331)
Well given that we’ve passed 2no. Previous exit dates what’s makes you think this one is final?
The link was from 3 days ago. You claimed that a no deal Brexit wasn't possible.

Pierre 16-06-2019 18:59
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35999332)
The link was from 3 days ago. You claimed that a no deal Brexit wasn't possible.
I believe it still isn’t, I say again we’ve had 2no. Brexit dates come and go, why do you believe a 3rd wouldn’t?

Carth 16-06-2019 19:26
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35999333)
I believe it still isn’t, I say again we’ve had 2no. Brexit dates come and go, why do you believe a 3rd wouldn’t?
Boris



methinks he'll say something they don't like and 'hey presto' no extension :D

Hugh 16-06-2019 19:45
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35999329)
We don't have to back to the EU for a trade deal. We can trade on WTO rules. That £39bn is better spent on our people than pissed up against the EU wall.
We can only trade on WTO rules if none of the other countries have any objections - so far, a number have objected, and anyway, WTO rules don’t cover services – 70% of the UK economy is services.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...luck-1-6094529

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the UK must produce its own schedule covering both services and each of the 5,000-plus product lines covered in the WTO agreement and get it agreed by all the 163 WTO states in the remaining parliamentary sitting days until October 31. A number of states have already raised objections to the UK's draft schedule: 20 over goods and three over services.

The second hurdle is the sheer volume of domestic legislation that would need to be passed before being able to trade under WTO rules: there are nine statutes and 600 statutory instruments that would need to be adopted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.3e56652974b3
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So could Article 24 be invoked?

Liam Fox, the U.K. trade secretary, has already rejected the approach, saying he didn’t think it could apply since the U.K. and the EU haven’t already agreed to a trade accord. WTO Director-General Roberto Azevedo confirmed that there must be a bilateral agreement between the EU and U.K. in order to claim an implementation period under GATT Article 24. “Once they have an agreement I think Article 24 could give them some time for implementation of that agreement,” he told Bloomberg. “But the first question is the agreement itself.”

Damien 16-06-2019 20:09
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35999330)
This is what bothers me about the Remainers on this thread. They are mostly coming from the stop Brexit end and tell us that it's better to remain because their lovely EU will always try to disadvantage us in these circumstances.

The Leavers, intent, of course on fulfilling direct democracy and gaining full sovereignty for the UK, argue that anyone trying to disadvantage us should be treated with disdain They also argue that 39 billion and tariffs on French and German cars are a useful weapon from our side. We must not allow the EU to trample on us and to Remain is to cave into bullies who will remain bullies.
I am just stating my impression on our circumstances. Eventually a deal will have to be done with the EU and the reality is they were now going to be pressing in their own best interests.

It is utterly naive not to assume that anyone will attempt to disadvantage us when it comes to trade negotiations. EU, US, China. All will be trying to use their leverage to get a better deal for them.

You can't throw the toys out of the U.K. Pram every time this happens.

Sephiroth 16-06-2019 20:21
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35999343)
I am just stating my impression on our circumstances. Eventually a deal will have to be done with the EU and the reality is they were now going to be pressing in their own best interests.

It is utterly naive not to assume that anyone will attempt to disadvantage us when it comes to trade negotiations. EU, US, China. All will be trying to use their leverage to get a better deal for them.

You can't throw the toys out of the U.K. Pram every time this happens.
It's the EU we're leaving, not the US, Japan or China. We have to deal with the EU's behaviour and we have to play our cards right, which we haven't done. We have the 39 billion and we are net importers of their stuff; those cards have to be played.

The EU is meddling with our constitutional arrangements by insisting on the Backstop and Macron has threatened to keep the Backstop on if we don't give up our fishing grounds; the US and China wouldn't do that. The EU would have control over us due to the Backstop.

You really shouldn't be an apologist for the EU (you'll deny being an apologist but it's how you come across).

1andrew1 16-06-2019 21:21
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999318)
Correction. We may have a withdrawal agreement if the EU climbs down off its high horse. Or we will make use of the protection period as provided for in Article 28 of GATT. Or we leave without a deal.
Hugh's post #3521 shows why the above is incorrect and his subsequent post #3527 puts the nail in the coffin.

Chris 16-06-2019 21:26
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35999350)
Damien's post #3521 shows why the above is incorrect.
Damien’s post, quoting from The New European, currently advertising in its strapline a free Bollocks to Brexit mug when you subscribe for just £1 a week. Pardon me if I’m suspicious about the impartiality of that analysis.


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