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That's Amber Rudd's take on it, but the PM has said on a number of occasions, we will be out of the EU come 29 March 2019.

The threat of no Brexit I think is designed to imtimidate the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg. If Parliament vote down the Withdrawal Agreement, there will simply be no agreement. If Theresa is as good as her word, no new votes would be put before the House of Commons and Article 50 will be invoked by way of actions already taken.

A no deal Brexit is nothing to be afraid of at all and people should stop stressing about it. Most of the frictionless trade will still be frictionless and the Irish border isuue will be seen not to have been a problem after all. WTO would not require a border, it would just require checks to take place. How this is done remains a matter between the parties.

The EU wants a no-tariff deal with the UK, and given that all our standards, etc are already harmonised, signing up to it will not take long. I dare say that some interim accord could be signed to preserve the status quo on tariffs, standards and trust while that is negotiated. It is in the interests of both sides to do so.

We will know soon enough which way this is going, and although it may sound an incredible thing to say now, I do believe the Parliament will pass this deal as it is in the national interest to do so. Corbyn and his circle will still be huffing and puffing but there are still a lot of honorable moderate Labour MPs who will either vote with the government or abstain, despite what the Corbynistas in the Commons have to say about it.

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Yes - Can you see/read properly ?

I said it can be changed by a Legislative Bill in Parliament. There will not be enough time to do that before 29th March 2019, as it will go though several 1st, 2nd and 3rd readings before it is finally signed in to law.

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See above - I did say that in my post.

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Yes, that has been what she has said all along. However, there is also the matter of EU assets in the UK and on the continent that have not been taken into account.

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I have to say if Brexit is stopped by Parliament which has no mandate to - Democracy will be killed off in the UK for a very long time and the selfish people who want Brexit stopped will get more than they bargained for when people refuse to turn out to the polling stations, in their millions.

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but the brexiteers always said don't have to pay it if no deal we do no matter what

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If Theresa May wanted to and took her party along with her, I'm sure she could. But why would she, having said all the things she has said about it?

If that's the basis on which some MPs vote the deal down because they really believe anything other than a no-deal Brexit will take place, that would be a hell of a gamble!

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I know they have said that, Dave, but can you really see us avoiding our legal obligations? However, we could make them fight for it by itemising it all and then having it all scrutinised and debated. The EU needs this money now, for the current spending round. Any delay would be very difficult for them.

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So we do have Parliamentary Sovereignty after all then?

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Agreed. Those voting against Brexit would never be forgiven. The electorate was given a say and the electorate voted to leave.

Everything else is just hyperbole.

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Den - finally, we agree!:)

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Mostly Corbyn is useless at PMQ, talking about buses and the like but this reply is funny:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...6259459/page/2

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If you frame that it will be quite valuable in a few years.;)

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All of these can be done really fast if desired. Especially since the bill would be very simple. I just did a quick Google to see the fastest bill ever passed, couldn't find it, but I did find this: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ked-parliament

And there were a few more: https://researchbriefings.parliament...ummary/SN04974

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Yes, even I found that hilarious.

But he didn't take May to task hard enough, with his follow up questions.

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Yes but that is a minor bill - you're talking about a huge bill here, it took a while to get it passed, I doubt it can be undone in just one session.

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It can be done however fast the political will wants it. Even if it's a big bill although I suspect all you need to do is revoke the previous bill in it's entirety. Unless there are other complications you could probably fit the wording into a single page.

The obstacle to stopping Brexit isn't time or Parliamentary procedures but the political will.

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Quite. As I understand the situation, there is no appetite for this anyway.

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Theresa May is on the Parliamentary record as acknowledging the possibility of no Brexit at all if they vote her deal down.

If I’m expected to trust a former Prime Minister on another continent then I’m sure our Prime Minister can be trusted to know this.