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You are just as one sided as those members you keep attacking. Several members here need to wind it in, or topic rests will be in order. I'm fed up of reading this thread everyday and all I see is certain members attacking each other. |
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If the IDF have bombed a hospital they should rightly be condemned and held accountable, but I’m disinclined to accept Hamas’ claims on face value. Because I know that generally they’re very trustworthy nice people, just trying to get along. But I don’t think that staging the odd false flag attack and making accusations to stoke up tensions around everything is beyond them, in fact I’m pretty sure it’s part of their playbook. Hamas value the lives of Palestinians arguably less than Israel. |
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An even wiser man suggested topic rests earlier, I’m sure things will be clearer tomorrow either way so I’m calling it a night. |
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Military missiles do of course leave telltale debris behind - that’s how we first knew that Ukraine has begun using American ATACMS long range missiles. The debris is characteristic. If Israel did this then debris matching the magnitude of destruction will be found. Given the ubiquity of mobile phone cameras and CCTV, no doubt footage showing a detonation typical of an Israeli missile (as opposed to an IED loaded with low-explosive and gas canisters) is also likely to be found. ---------- Post added at 22:13 ---------- Previous post was at 21:42 ---------- (Edit) There is also the possibility of an accidental hit either by the IDF or Hamas. Plenty of video doing the rounds this evening supports the claim that an outbound Hamas rocket was responsible for this. Though I still believe Hamas is perfectly capable of doing this deliberately. |
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I am hoping that the US has satellite images that show beyond any doubt where these rockets were fired from.
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The IDF are understandably going all in on a denial.
It’d have been helpful if some of their video footage wasn’t old and subsequently deleted from their own social media accounts, and if the time stamps matched the events. Similarly, one of Netanyahu’s digital comms people claimed it then quickly deleted which doesn’t help get facts out there when you have already got dubious credibility for attacking schools, hospitals and other civilian infrastructure. Equally warning the hospital to evacuate doesn’t sound like the actions of a military that doesn’t hit hospitals. I would imagine at this point if America had anything useful to back Israel at this point they’d be publicly backing them instead. The usually complicit media just gave the IDF spokesperson a hard time which indicates none of them have had a nod to toe the line. |
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As predicted, daylight reveals a lot of fire and no crater. In other words, burning fuel from a failed terrorist rocket, not an IDF missile strike (big flash, even bigger crater, small fire).
Nevertheless, the nature of this conflict is that all sides will believe what they want to believe and act accordingly - c.f. Arab states blaming Israel with surprisingly indecent haste last night, even before any evidence, however contested, had been presented. |
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Here’s the key image circulating this morning. It’s from Quds News Network - Hamas sympathetic if not outright controlled. So no need for any breathless commentary about mismatched time-codes.
No crater. Next to no building damage. Obviously an extensive fire. The most likely conclusion is that this was the result of a terrorist rocket that fell short. As we know, they don’t have large warheads and don’t cause a large amount of damage in and of themselves - except when they’re still carrying most of their propellant, in which case they do this. https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1697619108 |
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You are seriously over-thinking this. My starting point assumes the previous history and is perfectly adequate for leading up to where we are now. Btw, you didn't mention the Balfour Declaration of 1917, to which the UN gave effect in November 1947. Your final sentence is utter rubbish. I've dismissed nothing - having merely started at a sensible point in history. Hamas wouldn't be able to recount the history you've added to mine. |
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As for the extent of the fire, bear in mind hospitals have large quantities of stored oxygen. |
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If there’s missile damage, i.e. a crater and extensive building damage, or even more fire damage accelerated by hospital oxygen, where’s the photos and videos of that? Why just circulate images of an incidental fire, if that’s all there is? I appreciate you wanting to keep an open mind, but I do challenge your starting assumption here, which appears to be that the Hamas claims made last night are most likely to be true. |
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It was indeed a Hamas rocket that caused the damage, just not necessarily fired by Hamas rather fired by the iDF Neither side are exactly bastions of the truth |
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