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Hugh 04-02-2021 11:02
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
So a virulently Anti-EU correspondent in a virulently Anti-EU newspaper says something Anti-EU?

<shocked face>... ;)

Sephiroth 04-02-2021 11:26
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36069369)
So a virulently Anti-EU correspondent in a virulently Anti-EU newspaper says something Anti-EU?

<shocked face>... ;)
What's wrong with that if it's true? Do you think that the EU has acted well in the vaccine procurement? Do you think that Brussels is exercising a power grab?

mrmistoffelees 04-02-2021 11:40
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36069381)
What's wrong with that if it's true? Do you think that the EU has acted well in the vaccine procurement? Do you think that Brussels is exercising a power grab?
The UK has done incredibly well in procurement/distribution of the vaccines.However, that success doesn't eclipse the significant issues that we're currently seeing, and potentially may worsen as things such as warehouse stocks fall after their current stockpiles dwindle.

Chris 04-02-2021 11:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36069364)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ster-brussels/

For paywall users, the above referenced article by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard has it in a nutshell. I'll quote that jewel, itself a statement made by Daniel Stelter, Germany’s corporate guru:



Ambrose-Evans also points out that the vaccine procurement was a power -grab by Brussels, as is the 750 billion recovery fund.

He also points out that Brussels is only interested in power. He exemplifies this through the Brexit negotiations (power not trade), through the vaccine negotiations (which, he says, were price led not solution driven). He underlines deep German suspicion over how VDL would use the recovery fund and how close it would bring the EU to fiscal union, which Germany would have to bankroll.

Boy are we right to be forging our own destiny.

Btw, James O'Brian on LBC today is knocking the Guymin for going "cap in hand" to the EU to ease the NI situation. He doesn't emphasise that the UK have the threat ready of invoking its own Article 16 measures. Indeed we should in order to test the resolution mechanism.
The EU proposed to use Article 16 in a way not permitted by the treaty. The hardship to be alleviated by that mechanism must already be very evident, and a notice period must be observed. The EU attempted to invoke it on the basis of theoretical attempts to avoid an export ban that had not occurred and had not caused any hardship. They also seemed to think it could be brought into force instantly.

We, on the other hand, if we do choose to go down that route, must do so fully observing the letter and the spirit of the rules.

BTW who is Guymin?

Damien 04-02-2021 11:44
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Government I guess

Sephiroth 04-02-2021 12:01
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36069390)
<SNIP>

BTW who is Guymin?
A typo version of Guvmin.

pip08456 04-02-2021 19:46
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Some good news that Andrew may not post.

Quote:
Cadbury's famous Dairy Milk chocolate bar is going to be made almost wholly in Bournville again - 115 years after it was launched.

An investment of £15 million in new production line facilities will create an "increase in efficiency" and allow the bar to be made mostly in Birmingham once more.

In 2020, Bournville produced 35,000 tonnes of Cadbury Dairy Milk - equivalent to 234 million tablets.

The new investment will see that figure add another 12,000 tonnes of capacity, meaning an additional 125 million bars to enjoy would previously have been made at other sites in Europe.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...-home-19759455

Sephiroth 04-02-2021 20:11
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Does Europe like our type of chocolate?

I really dislike theirs - too much cocoa. It's akin to the British Sausage which contains the correct amount of sawdust compared with the over-meaty European kind.

For balance, Polish mustard is the best along with Polish sour cucumbers (aka Salzgurken in German).

I though Juncker was bad, but VDL ...

Chris 04-02-2021 20:42
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36069444)
Does Europe like our type of chocolate?

I really dislike theirs - too much cocoa. It's akin to the British Sausage which contains the correct amount of sawdust compared with the over-meaty European kind.

For balance, Polish mustard is the best along with Polish sour cucumbers (aka Salzgurken in German).

I though Juncker was bad, but VDL ...
European chocolate is typically made using only cocoa butter for fat content. British everyday chocolate (dairy milk, galaxy and sweet bars derived from them) use a mix of cocoa butter and other vegetable fats with the pure cocoa butter recipes reserved for premium products.

1andrew1 04-02-2021 23:09
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Boris Johnson said he'd never agree to an Irish Sea border only to agree to one but to deny its existence. He now acknowledges there is one but says there mustn't be one. :confused:

Quote:
U-turn by Boris Johnson as he moves from denying Irish Sea border’s reality to attempting to delay some of its checks

After weeks of denial that an Irish Sea border exists, Boris Johnson’s government has U-turned to ask for major parts of the trade frontier to be delayed for years.

Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove yesterday asked the EU to extend grace periods for supermarkets and other food outlets as well as parcels and medicines until 2023 – effectively putting off key elements of the new border which the EU argued was imperative to protect the integrity of its single market.

Mr Gove also asked the EU to reverse parts of the deal already in place by creating a common travel area across the British Isles for pets and by ending the ban on British soil coming to Northern Ireland, something which has led to GB companies finding their trade in plants with Northern Ireland is now illegal.

The move represents a major change in stance from a government whose Northern Ireland Secretary, Brandon Lewis, has consistently insisted that there is no Irish Sea border and has played down the significance of the mass of new red tape now necessary to move an item from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/po...checks-3123306

Sephiroth 05-02-2021 00:13
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It's right that the Guvmin should be chipping away at the Trade Agreement. The EU opened the door with its Article 16 nonsense.

1andrew1 05-02-2021 10:21
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36069478)
It's right that the Guvmin should be chipping away at the Trade Agreement. The EU opened the door with its Article 16 nonsense.
It's daft for anyone to escalate things in Northern Ireland as some in the EU found out very quickly. The DUP is waking up to the Irish sea border being a reality and I suspect time is the only cure here.

Sephiroth 05-02-2021 10:48
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
You might be partially right about time being the cure - except that the status quo on sending food etc to NI would prolong unreasonable disaster.

In case one might respond "but that's what we signed up to", there's nothing wrong with trying to rectify the unintended consequences. If the EU say no to Gove, then there's little point in pretending that they are "our friends in Europe"; they become the enemy to a certain degree.

Gove is after two more years of grace so that we can build our software to accurately populate the crazy forms (70 pages I understand for a fish consignment to the EU). If they are "our friends", they'll say yes.

nomadking 05-02-2021 10:53
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Much of the detail of the NI Protocol was left to be decided by the Joint Committee. Any complications will be because the EU is being difficult, as usual.

IIRC The supermarkets said there would be no problems shipping their stock from GB to NI.

1andrew1 05-02-2021 11:16
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36069504)
Much of the detail of the NI Protocol was left to be decided by the Joint Committee. Any complications will be because the EU is being difficult, as usual.

IIRC The supermarkets said there would be no problems shipping their stock from GB to NI.
The supermarkets had tons of problems but this will be overcome by sourcing from Ireland and other EU countries instead of Great Britain.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55575988
https://www.newfoodmagazine.com/news...and-shortages/

Some foods can no longer be exported from NI to GB.
Quote:
Brexit: Lough Neagh eels can't be sold in Britain

Lough Neagh eel fishermen will have to find new markets for a fifth of their catch due to Brexit and the operation of the Northern Ireland Protocol.

It means finding new buyers for 50 tonnes of eels, worth £500,000, just months before the start of this year's season.

The fish would traditionally have gone to Billingsgate Market in London and been sold as jellied eels.

But the complexities of Brexit mean that trade is no longer possible.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55818519


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