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Police surround kosher Paris supermarket
9 January 2015 Last updated at 15:07 GMT
A gunman has seized hostages at a kosher supermarket in Paris, while police in northern France have cornered the two Charlie Hebdo massacre suspects.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30739510

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As an addendum to that a couple of Wikipedia entries that may give my viewpoint on the whole freedom of speech argument more clarity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_relativism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism

I go to Saudi Arabia, smuggle in beer and bacon, and start munching and drinking in public I get what's coming to me, because I'm not ethnocentric and don't expect my actions to be judged in terms of my own culture. Loathsome as I find Saudi Arabia's culture if I go to their back yard I'd have to play by their rules. Same bag here, whatever people who think they're liberal may say.

On that note it's astonishing how many people I've read over the past days who consider themselves liberal because they are largely left-wing in their economic viewpoints, think gay marriage is fine, are all for mass immigration, etc, but when it comes to freedom of speech think that the 'right' to be offended should trump it. They really don't grasp that they are being every bit as fascistic as those they would profess to despise.

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I prefer courageous.

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I don't mean to sound patronising but you've truly shocked me with that.

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OK let's all go around provoking the terrorist element in Islam and not bat an eyelid when they retaliate by killing innocents :shrug:

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Dear oh dear do you not realise they'll be killing anyway, how on earth you equate killing innocents or even the guilty for that matter with any form of provocation is beyond me, the terrorists are the problem not the cartoonists and no blame or guilt should be apportioned for said terrorists behaviour to them

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Do YOU not realise that although they kill anyway certain responses will paint even more targets on our backs??

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Even more than is already there, let them do their worst, chances are they'll do it anyway, I'm not going to live in fear of them or change anything thing I do to accommodate them and if people think pandering or appeasing them will stop them or even put of the inevitable for long then they're as deluded as the nuts getting killed for virgins.

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So if we stop the cartoons and they kill more innocents because there religion is offended by the next reason they can find. Should we then stop that as well. I am offended by them killing innocents i bet they don't stop killing in the name of there god however.

The time as come to stop giving in to them because something offends them from a story book that was written years ago. They live to a book that related to a time where life was cheap and they still think it's ok to kill in the name of that book and there god. Then you wonder why i have no truck with religion.

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:clap:

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You don't believe in those freedoms?

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Is anyone suggesting we 'pander' to them?

Do you think the people at the magazine would still be dead if they hadn't run those cartoons?

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Are you so afraid?

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I believe in using freedoms wisely. Everyone goes on about the "right to freedom of speech". Not many people respect the responsibility of free speech.

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No.

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Maybe not but its inevitable that those two would have killed someone in the end. Did the copper die because he published the cartoons btw. What was the reason for the shop killing did they publish the cartoons or were they just unbelievers who should be killed.

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Well considering they the fundamentalists are offended by everything we do from women wearing revealing clothing,to dancing and playing/listening to music,drawing/painting the human/animal form as well as not being Muslim it's pretty hard to see how less offensive we can get.

Seems to me that satire and ridicule is a very good weapon against such thinking.