Re: smoking and the pub
 

When you're pushing a stroller and the child is at the a
same low height constantly, there's a big difference to the average pedestrian. That's why I mentioned children in strollers specifically the first place.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Stop trying to get one over on someone by nitpicking, everyone knows what she meant and so do you.

Everyone knows that smoke within a confined space is more harmful than in an open place as the ratio of air to smoke is much higher, its common sense.

If you put as much effort into quitting as you have into defending the 'right' of the smoker, I'm sure you'd be able to survive without cigarettes.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

How the hell would you know?

Nitpicking????? I'm asking someone to quantify their point, because as it stands it's unsubstantiated. What's your issue? Think that your non-smoking comrade won't be able to either? :rolleyes: :dozey:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

That is a good point (and one I can identify with). Personally I don't drive the family into the city centre, I'd rather park and ride on the train, it's far better for everyone concerned (my family and other pedestrians) (even if the lifts at Glasgow Central low-level platform are normally broken and we have to get a ticket inspector to help lug the pram up the stairs :grind: ).

But though it may be unpleasant, car exhaust, once catalysed, does not contain anything like the carcinogens you get in tobacco smoke, and the fumes are not drawn so deeply into the lungs as they are when you smoke.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Heh, one moment your accusing other people of thinking that they are better than you because they are stronger willed, and then the next your trying to insuinuate that you are more clever than others, because we have differing views...

Re: smoking and the pub
 

There is one question that I would like to ask of those who want a complete ban on smoking in ALL public enclosed spaces.

Why do you object to a pub owner wanting to allow smoking in his establishment if he displays a prominent notice signifying that it is a smoking area at all entrances to the pub?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

AFAIK the driver gets more fumes than any pedestrains!

Re: smoking and the pub
 

And making out that smokers are "trying to murder" non-smokers is a pathetic argument.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I am just watching the news on ITV1 and they have been asking pub landlords in Burton on Trent how the proposed smoking ban would affect them. A large number said that they will stop serving food as they will lose less profit that way than keeping the food and banning smoking.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Staff

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Agreed.

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Employ only staff who smoke

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Wouldn't that be discrimination against non-smokers who wish to remain working at that pub?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Just to add something to this discussion, I thought I'd mention some of the lovely stuff you're breathing-in every time a diesel-powered car drives past you.

Diesel exhaust contains 20-100 times more particles than petrol exhaust. These particles carry cancer-causing substances known as polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). Gases in diesel exhaust, such as nitrous oxide, nitrogen dioxide, formaldehyde, benzene, sulphur dioxide, hydrogen sulphide, carbon dioxide, and carbon monoxide can also create health problems. (source: www.amicustheunion.org - the UK's largest manufacturing, technical & skilled persons' union.)

Incidentally, a lot of those chemicals are also found in cigarette smoke, so there actually is a direct correlation between tobacco smoke and car exhaust fumes.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Of course smokers take non-smokers into account. For a start they don't charge for all that free nicotine they're blowing into the air for everyone to consume. :jk: