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Damien 07-01-2021 09:06
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Biden's win certified.

Pierre 07-01-2021 09:10
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36065529)
Quite easy to get into Parliament. Just need to turn up say you're there to see your MP and walk in. There is usual airport type security but apart from that I was quite surprised how easy it is when I went.
it's easy to enter, but there is loads of security and armed officers, it's not like walking into you local library.

Mick 07-01-2021 09:19
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36065556)
Biden's win certified.
BREAKING: President Trump has finally conceded he’s lost the Election.

Quote:
Donald Trump has said there will be an "orderly transition" after the US Congress certified Joe Biden's win in the presidential election.

"Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th," the president said in a statement, posted on Twitter by a White House spokesman.

"I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted.

"While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it's only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!"

1andrew1 07-01-2021 09:24
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Pritti Patel refuses to criticise Donald Trump's actions
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status...83720256327680

---------- Post added at 09:24 ---------- Previous post was at 09:20 ----------

A bit late now! After weeks of non-co-operation and encouraging last night's anti democratic process
Quote:
Trump promises 'orderly transition' after Biden confirmed as president

Donald Trump has said there will be an "orderly transition" after the US Congress certified Joe Biden's win in the presidential election.

"Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th," the president said.

"I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it's only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!"
https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pro...dent-12181243#

He can kiss goodbye to Trump 2024! What will happen to the campaign donations? Will he refund people?

Damien 07-01-2021 09:27
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Let's see how he acts over the next couple of weeks. I imagine his staff have pressed him into this but when he gets in front of a camera without that filter he can change his tune.

Mick 07-01-2021 09:32
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36065559)
Pritti Patel refuses to criticise Donald Trump's actions
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status...83720256327680

---------- Post added at 09:24 ---------- Previous post was at 09:20 ----------

A bit late now! After weeks of non-co-operation and encouraging last night's anti democratic process

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pro...dent-12181243#

He can kiss goodbye to Trump 2024! What will happen to the campaign donations? Will he refund people?
75 Million, 12 Million more people voted for him than they did in 2016, it’s certainly more than any other “sitting” president. He is well in with his chances in 2024. His base will not dwindle because of last night.

Maggy 07-01-2021 09:33
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36065559)
Pritti Patel refuses to criticise Donald Trump's actions
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status...83720256327680

---------- Post added at 09:24 ---------- Previous post was at 09:20 ----------

A bit late now! After weeks of non-co-operation and encouraging last night's anti democratic process

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pro...dent-12181243#

He can kiss goodbye to Trump 2024! What will happen to the campaign donations? Will he refund people?
Did she?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-55571151

1andrew1 07-01-2021 09:37
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
From Sky News, four dead and 52 arrested at last night's Capitol Hill riot.

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2021 09:39
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36065565)
From Sky News, four dead and 52 arrested at last night's Capitol Hill riot.
Some clarity, one woman shot by police, the other three were 'medical emergencies' apparently

1andrew1 07-01-2021 09:39
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36065564)
She has belatedly done so this morning, she didn't last night
https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/sta...87323528220672

Damien 07-01-2021 09:39
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065563)
75 Million, 12 Million more people voted for him than they did in 2016, it’s certainly more than any other “sitting” president. He is well in with his chances in 2024. His base will not dwindle because of last night.
His base might remain but last night will hurt him even more in the eyes of everyone else and remember the Republican vote is more than the Trump base.

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2021 09:40
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065563)
75 Million, 12 Million more people voted for him than they did in 2016, it’s certainly more than any other “sitting” president. He is well in with his chances in 2024. His base will not dwindle because of last night.
I'd be amazed if the Republicans would back him after his latest shenanigans. As an independent? who knows.....

papa smurf 07-01-2021 09:41
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
[QUOTE=1andrew1;36065559]Pritti Patel refuses to criticise Donald Trump's actions
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status...83720256327680

---------- Post added at 09:24 ---------- Previous post was at 09:20 ----------

A bit late now! After weeks of non-co-operation and encouraging last night's anti democratic process

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pro...dent-12181243#

He can kiss goodbye to Trump 2024! What will happen to the campaign donations? Will he refund people?[/QUOTE]

I think you've lost it mate, did you put your name and address on the donation?

denphone 07-01-2021 09:43
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36065569)
I'd be amazed if the Republicans would back him after his latest shenanigans. As an independent? who knows.....
My thoughts exactly.

jfman 07-01-2021 10:04
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065563)
75 Million, 12 Million more people voted for him than they did in 2016, it’s certainly more than any other “sitting” president. He is well in with his chances in 2024. His base will not dwindle because of last night.
He’s got absolutely zero chance of being elected in 2024. MAGA is dead as a credible political position and there’s no way the Republican party endorses him.

The political ads through any primary campaign would just need to include some of the vile scenes from yesterday.

It’s far more likely he will be in jail or resident outside the United States.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36065569)
I'd be amazed if the Republicans would back him after his latest shenanigans. As an independent? who knows.....
The good news would be a third party has no chance in a Presidential election.

Mick 07-01-2021 10:08
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065573)
He’s got absolutely zero chance of being elected in 2024. MAGA is dead as a credible political position and there’s no way the Republican party endorses him.

The political ads through any primary campaign would just need to include some of the vile scenes from yesterday.

It’s far more likely he will be in jail or resident outside the United States.
Thankfully, you’ve been wrong many times on Brexit saying it will be stopped, there will be 2nd referendum yada yada, your incredibly incorrect on this as well, your political analysis is in reality, quite uninformed.

jfman 07-01-2021 10:14
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065575)
Thankfully, you’ve been wrong many times on Brexit saying it will be stopped, there will be 2nd referendum yada yada, your incredibly incorrect on this as well, your political analysis is in reality, quite uninformed.
Mick stop making false representations of my statements. I said Brexit would need to get voted for in a second referendum or an election - the latter happened.

It’s quite funny being called “quite uninformed” when some of the nonsense you’ve posted in this thread on electoral fraud is undisputably unhinged. Your boy lost emphatically in the biggest American election in history. Much like voting for Brexit was the biggest democratic event on these islands Trump lost in a rejection of the poison for which he stands.

Unfortunately you’re skewed perception of reality - and viewing absolutely everything through the prism of a one off referendum in 2016 - means you play the man, not the point, in almost every single debate you have on this forum.

Mick 07-01-2021 10:26
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
FFS he’s not my “boy”- I’ve already said if I was an American, I’d have abstained in last two elections. So you’re wrong, yet again: Stop arguing with me. Move on.

Carth 07-01-2021 10:28
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Many are writing off Trump 2024, seemingly forgetting that these are Americans we're talking about. :D

A Country full of armed religious nutcases, still looking for 'commies' under their beds, thinking they're World Leaders, obsessed with the psychoanalysis of themselves and their pets.

I bet there are some that still vote Carter & Nixon :dozey:

jfman 07-01-2021 10:39
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36065582)
Many are writing off Trump 2024, seemingly forgetting that these are Americans we're talking about. :D

A Country full of armed religious nutcases, still looking for 'commies' under their beds, thinking they're World Leaders, obsessed with the psychoanalysis of themselves and their pets.

I bet there are some that still vote Carter & Nixon :dozey:
It gives me some comfort that 15 million people who didn't vote Clinton did come out for Biden, such is the extent Trump galvanised his opposition.

Mick 07-01-2021 10:39
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36065582)
Many are writing off Trump 2024, seemingly forgetting that these are Americans we're talking about. :D

A Country full of armed religious nutcases, still looking for 'commies' under their beds, thinking they're World Leaders, obsessed with the psychoanalysis of themselves and their pets.

I bet there are some that still vote Carter & Nixon :dozey:
Precisely. Trump over the last four years has been very controversial. One last controversial act won’t diminish his loyal base. He could make a statement that red, is no longer red and they would take him for his every word.

mrmistoffelees 07-01-2021 10:41
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065573)
<snip>

The good news would be a third party has no chance in a Presidential election.

Dismissing something because it hasn't happened previously is folly... Rightly or wrongly, he has a message that people believe in and want to hear...

jfman 07-01-2021 11:01
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36065586)
Dismissing something because it hasn't happened previously is folly... Rightly or wrongly, he has a message that people believe in and want to hear...
He does to a minority of MAGA morons. However he also relies upon moderate Republicans to get to his current voter share. Whether it's 20%, 30% if he fractures the Party he still doesn't get to the share he needs.

Would be fun to watch in a morbid way though.

Damien 07-01-2021 11:37
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
The question is what happens for the remaining days? Does Trump lie low content with that last statement or does he come back and fan the flames further?

1andrew1 07-01-2021 11:49
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065585)
Precisely. Trump over the last four years has been very controversial. One last controversial act won’t diminish his loyal base. He could make a statement that red, is no longer red and they would take him for his every word.
I think because you wanted Trump to win this election, your judgement is being clouded on this issue, Mick. You predicted that Trump would win this election and he has lost it.

I think a pragmatic approach will be adopted by the Republican Party and the following questions will be asked:

1) Would you select a candidate who has lost once before in an election?
2) Would you select an ageing candidate?
3) Would you select a candidate whose tweets are linked to inciting a riot on Capitol Hill
4) Would you select a candidate who can't accept defeat at the polls?

Mick 07-01-2021 12:22
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36065591)
I think because you wanted Trump to win this election, your judgement is being clouded on this issue, Mick. You predicted that Trump would win this election and he has lost it.

I think a pragmatic approach will be adopted by the Republican Party and the following questions will be asked:

1) Would you select a candidate who has lost once before in an election?
2) Would you select an ageing candidate?
3) Would you select a candidate whose tweets are linked to inciting a riot on Capitol Hill
4) Would you select a candidate who can't accept defeat at the polls?
I did want him to win, but that doesn’t mean I support him. Joe Biden’s presidency won’t solve America’s problems. He will make them worse. That is if he is there that long. His cognitive decline will see him ousted or he may just get too frail to do the job. He may die in office. But U.S will now go hard to the left. We are probably still heading to civil war territory. The divide won’t go away.

Hugh 07-01-2021 12:54
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
American "hard to the left" is European "middle of the road".

From NPR

Quote:
Sanders and "Squad" members Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib identify as Democratic Socialists, their vision is more aligned with Scandinavian nations such as Denmark and Sweden, where universal health care and a wide range of social benefits — and higher taxes — are the norm, but capitalism still prevails, rather than with countries such as Venezuela and Cuba, where the state does control major industries, and authoritarians rule.
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/25/90589...=1610024118640

Pierre 07-01-2021 13:05
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36065596)
American "hard to the left" is European "middle of the road".
Really? ANTIFA middle of the road?

The problem (well one of them) in American politics is that there is no Left or Right anymore.

Nobody says Left or Right, and there is certainly no "centre"

you are now (according to the media and others) either "far left" or "far right" regardless of where you are on the spectrum.

If you voted for Trump you're "far right" regardless of whether you are or not and vice versa.

it's too polarised and won't change anytime soon.

---------- Post added at 13:05 ---------- Previous post was at 13:00 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36065596)

From NPR
it's a common misconception to Americans that Scandinavian countries are some kind of socialist utopia.

Yes they have a well funded welfare state but Free market economies and deregulation live happily there.

jfman 07-01-2021 13:23
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065593)
I did want him to win, but that doesn’t mean I support him. Joe Biden’s presidency won’t solve America’s problems. He will make them worse. That is if he is there that long. His cognitive decline will see him ousted or he may just get too frail to do the job. He may die in office. But U.S will now go hard to the left. We are probably still heading to civil war territory. The divide won’t go away.
There's no majority in America for a swing to the left. It's a myth propogated in the bowels of the internet howled into the same dangerous echo chambers that led to the events of yesterday.

Neither is there any substantive evidence of a cognitive decline on the part of Biden. Certainly not compared to Trump, who now has the mentality of a baby, surrounding himself in a make believe world to sooth his own ego.

The divides in America may well persist, but if they do it'll be because people are ignorant to reality and arguably beyond help. Interested to know how Trump would propose to heal divides that his political success relied on stoking.

Carth 07-01-2021 13:33
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
When Trump was elected President, I thought "wow, this could be good, someone who doesn't follow the 'safe' line, has no problem saying things as they are, and has the bottle to stand up against the namby pamby brigade."

It seemed that is what Americans voted for, but have now changed their minds. I guess it's back to the usual format for the next 18 months . . until VP whatshername takes over . . then they'll probably want Trump back :rolleyes:

Everyone wants to have their cake bullets and eat them ;)

1andrew1 07-01-2021 13:49
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Biden will be a safe middle-of-the-road pair of hands for his four-year term.

I suspect the next Republican presidential candidate in 2024 will be middle-of-the-road too, to try and wean some of those who voted for Joe Biden across to the Republican candidate. With Kamala Harris likely as the 2024 Democrat candidate, this strategy could work. She will need to work to present herself as a safe pair of hands over the next four years and as his natural successor.

Mick 07-01-2021 13:56
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065599)

Neither is there any substantive evidence of a cognitive decline on the part of Biden.
Yes there is plenty of evidence of it. He is in cognitive decline - end of discussion or argument of it.

Maggy 07-01-2021 14:15
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065602)
Yes there is plenty of evidence of it. He is in cognitive decline - end of discussion or argument of it.
Have you any links?

Mick 07-01-2021 14:18
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36065608)
Have you any links?
I have posted plenty of evidence in this thread. We are no longer discussing Biden's gaffes linked to his cognitive decline as per Paul's instruction earlier in the thread and now mine.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36065277)
Thats enough about gaffs, move on people.

Damien 07-01-2021 15:56
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Facebook extending their ban on Trump.

Mad Max 07-01-2021 16:03
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36065619)
Facebook extending their ban on Trump.

Facebook should extend their ban on, well, Facebook.:p:

Hugh 07-01-2021 16:05
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36065619)
Facebook extending their ban on Trump.
FB and Instagram indefinitely, but at least two weeks until after the Transition of power.

papa smurf 07-01-2021 16:06
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36065619)
Facebook extending their ban on Trump.
To Trump loyalists this is just suppressing the truth.

Hugh 07-01-2021 16:08
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36065622)
To Trump loyalists this is just suppressing the truth.
Well, their viewpoints aren't often congruent with actuality.

I thought they were all on Parler, anyway, and had boycotted Twitter and Facebook?

1andrew1 07-01-2021 16:18
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Piers Morgan ditches Trump and says he needs to quit now, citing Trump's mental health.

Quote:
If Trump can't be trusted to Tweet he can't be trusted with the nuclear codes – he's lost his mind and America needs to get this dangerous, deluded, despicable lunatic out of the White House now
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Trump-now.html

Quote:
I'm done with Donald Trump. I can't remain friends with someone that 'loves' a bunch of violent racist Nazi sympathisers who've just attacked the epicentre of US democracy itself - and thinks they're 'special people'.
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/stat...86019091832832

Mick 07-01-2021 16:25
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
This is censorship in it's purest form, and this will not quell or calm down Trump's base, it will just fire them back up again. Mark Zuckerberg is running a dying platform, I rarely use FB these days and Instagram, I always found a bit naff.

tweetiepooh 07-01-2021 16:27
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
With the way Mr T is behaving, wonder if they could "Truman Show" him? Slip him a mickey and move him to a set a bit like the White House, get some extras or others in "the know" to help, give him "THE BUTTON" and access to a walled off internet.
You could even televise him for comedic relief and occasionally feed in real news stories to see how he reacts and think about what would happen if in the real world.

Hugh 07-01-2021 16:45
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065625)
This is censorship in it's purest form, and this will not quell or calm down Trump's base, it will just fire them back up again. Mark Zuckerberg is running a dying platform, I rarely use FB these days and Instagram, I always found a bit naff.
How is it censorship?

Just like CF, FB has rules - if people break the rules, they get suspended/frakked/banned.

Mick 07-01-2021 16:56
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36065628)
How is it censorship?

Just like CF, FB has rules - if people break the rules, they get suspended/frakked/banned.
No CF is not like FB and Twitter at all. I know you've like often wanted to turn CF in to social media with your gifs and memes Hugh, social media is different, yes it has rules but it is a platform full of followers, Trump is still the president and a high profile person to just remove and outright ban, suspending him yesterday was justified, but an outright ban will just inflame his base and alienate millions of people who will still support him, what about when the riots started last year and buildings were torched and businesses destroyed in many States, Zuckerberg said nothing then, that I recall. Banning Trump completely, you're just going to turn up the heat on an already heated situation.

As with many things with high profile people, censoring them just increases their voice.

Damien 07-01-2021 17:11
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
They're worried about he might say next is the thing. Everyone is concerned about that and what he'll do in the next couple of weeks.

Chris 07-01-2021 17:13
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
It really isn't censorship because what Facebook and Twitter have done is not state sponsored or directed. They are commercial enterprises, with terms of use not unlike the ones we have here (except of much greater length). FB and twitter have to be a lot more careful and socially responsible than we do due to their reach and power, but they are still commercial enterprises with their own rules at the end of the day and if a user breaks them, they are entitled to kick them off the platform, just as we are.

Mick 07-01-2021 17:21
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36065635)
It really isn't censorship because what Facebook and Twitter have done is not state sponsored or directed. They are commercial enterprises, with terms of use not unlike the ones we have here (except of much greater length). FB and twitter have to be a lot more careful and socially responsible than we do due to their reach and power, but they are still commercial enterprises with their own rules at the end of the day and if a user breaks them, they are entitled to kick them off the platform, just as we are.
Yeah but the people we have kicked off over the years haven't had millions of followers or been the president of the US.

Hugh 07-01-2021 17:21
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...dency-n1253281

Quote:
Former Attorney General William Barr says President Donald Trump’s conduct as a violent mob of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol was a “betrayal of his office and supporters.”

Barr said Thursday that “orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress is inexcusable” in a statement obtained by NBC News. The Associated Press was the first to report Barr's remarks.

Barr was one of Trump’s most loyal and ardent defenders in the Cabinet.

gba93 07-01-2021 17:25
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065638)
Yeah but the people we have kicked off over the years haven't had millions of followers or been the president of the US.
But would you if they had been?

Mick 07-01-2021 17:27
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36065634)
They're worried about he might say next is the thing. Everyone is concerned about that and what he'll do in the next couple of weeks.
As much as he has said he uses twitter and facebook to get his message out there, he wouldn't need them to publicly speak out, he could walk out of the White House right now or invite the WH press pool in and they would stream his message to the world and because of where we are, practically every news network in the world would cover it.

Damien 07-01-2021 17:30
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065641)
As much as he has said he uses twitter and facebook to get his message out there, he wouldn't need them to publicly speak out, he could walk out of the White House right now or invite the WH press pool in and they would stream his message to the world and because of where we are, practically every news network in the world would cover it.
Sure but Facebook doesn't want to be the ones carrying that message. They're protecting themselves.

Mick 07-01-2021 17:31
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 36065640)
But would you if they had been?
LOL - CF may have been around a very long time, but I doubt a sitting president in that time would have visited us, being a forum based in Britain.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36065642)
Sure but Facebook doesn't want to be the ones carrying that message. They're protecting themselves.
Yeah and I get that.

joglynne 07-01-2021 17:34
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
I am afraid that this ban will only attract more followers for Trump. He will sell himself as a martyr to the cause and this will attract those Americans who feel disenfrachised and marginalised by society. He may be a selfserving, egotistical, lying opportunist but his almost marerick style obviously appeals to a lot of people.

Mick 07-01-2021 17:36
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson has just publicly condemned president Trump for inciting yesterdays attacks on the capitol building.

Quote:
In his first question, was about U.S President, Donald Trump - Mr Johnson says America has always stood for freedom and democracy and that "as you say, in so far as he encouraged people to storm the Capitol and so far as the president has consistently cast doubt on the outcome of a free and fair election, I believe that was completely wrong".

Damien 07-01-2021 17:36
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065643)
LOL - CF may have been around a very long time, but I doubt a sitting president in that time would have visited us, being a forum based in Britain.
To be fair they might be already here under a different name.:erm:

gba93 07-01-2021 17:36
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065643)
LOL - CF may have been around a very long time, but I doubt a sitting president in that time would have visited us, being a forum based in Britain.

---------- Post added at 17:31 ---------- Previous post was at 17:30 ----------



Yeah and I get that.
That wasn't the question - would you care to answer the one posed?

Mick 07-01-2021 17:41
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 36065649)
That wasn't the question - would you care to answer the one posed?
I am well aware what the question was - I don't think I need to answer it because it is a moot point. A sitting president with millions of followers, would not register and post on a British forum.

But if it helps you to understand this. The rules on here apply to all who use the site.

gba93 07-01-2021 17:54
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065654)
I am well aware what the question was - I don't think I need to answer it because it is a moot point. A sitting president with millions of followers, would not register and post on a British forum.

But if it helps you to understand this. The rules on here apply to all who use the site.
Thank you, so shouldn't Facebook be able to apply their rules in the same way regardless of wealth, power or position if they so choose.

1andrew1 07-01-2021 17:58
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
The article was from four hours ago so I assume they decided against taking such drastic action.
Quote:
Trump's cabinet 'consider forcibly removing him from office' as Republican loyalty disintegrates

Donald Trump’s own cabinet members are reportedly considering whether to forcibly remove him from office via the 25th amendment after his actions before the storming of Congress triggered widespread condemnation.

CBS News reported that discussions about invoking the manoeuvre, once derided as a liberal dream by Trump supporters, were under way at the top of the US government after a mob smashed their way into the US Capitol.

The extraordinary move, which would see Mr Trump removed from post and replaced by his vice president Mike Pence, would need support of a majority of the cabinet and Mr Pence himself.

It remains unclear whether the reported discussions will lead to action, given Mr Trump has just two weeks remaining in post and such a decision could trigger a backlash from his supporters.

But it is a reflection of how infuriated and concerned previously ultra-loyal members of Mr Trump’s own administration have become by his fanning of the flames of anger over the election result.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

Mick 07-01-2021 18:51
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
John Bolton just said on Sky News that not many people understand the implementation of the 25th Amendment, there is 13 days left of the Trump presidency, his cabinet could invoke the 25th, but Trump only needs to write a letter back to congress, to say he is fit and healthy, Congress then has 21 days to debate it.....Bolton also said it could lead to two people declaring themselves president.

From what I understand is happening now, while he still is president, he will be being bypassed already, whilst he has the nuclear codes, his authority to order a nuclear strike may have already been revoked like Nixons was in 1974, before he left office.

Quote:
The scene from the White House south lawn on August 9, 1974, is vivid in the nation’s memory. That morning, President Richard Nixon famously boarded Marine One for the final time, put on a wide grin and fired off a final double-V to the assembled crowd.

But one of the most interesting aspects of that day is what didn’t happen on the south lawn: Even though Nixon had more than two hours left in his tenure, the most critical tool of the modern presidency had already been taken away from him. He never noticed it, but the nuclear “football” didn’t travel with him as he boarded the helicopter, and later, Air Force One for his flight back to California.

In a democratic country without hereditary power, royal crowns or bejeweled thrones, the nuclear football is in some ways the only physical manifestation of our nation’s head of state.

Yet, on that August day, it had been quietly removed from Nixon’s hands—remaining behind at the White House with the incoming commander-in-chief, Gerald Ford.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...d-nixon-215478

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BREAKING: Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao is resigning, per two officials. Cites yesterday’s events as reason in email to DOT colleagues, per draft. First Cabinet secretary to resign. Chao is married to Mitch McConnell.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 36065658)
Thank you, so shouldn't Facebook be able to apply their rules in the same way regardless of wealth, power or position if they so choose.
From what I understand, they are only revoking his access through fear or potential trouble Trump could still cause, which is fine. But in doing that ban, they are regardless of right to do so or not, alienating millions of people.

Chris 07-01-2021 19:10
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065638)
Yeah but the people we have kicked off over the years haven't had millions of followers or been the president of the US.
Well we have still had people emailing us to moan we've infringed their human rights after we've banned them :D

I agree, the influence they have means they have to act far more carefully, but their influence also means they can't get away with inaction. It's a fine line to tread, but to be honest I think Trump has only made things easier for them over the past couple of days. The way he has addressed this crisis has been absolutely shocking.

1andrew1 07-01-2021 19:55
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Whilst it's correct to criticise Trump's incitement and his mob of supporters who invaded Capitol House, what strikes me is that this was a known event. Not a spontaneous reaction to something.

The question that comes to mind are why weren't reinforcements - be it other police forces, the National Guard, etc ready and waiting to defend Capitol House against the mob?

If they had deployed sufficient law enforcement resources to ensure Capitol House was not breached, then the outcome will have been far more positive and the anti-Western press in Iran, China and Russia would not be gloating.

pip08456 07-01-2021 20:22
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065664)
John Bolton just said on Sky News that not many people understand the implementation of the 25th Amendment, there is 13 days left of the Trump presidency, his cabinet could invoke the 25th, but Trump only needs to write a letter back to congress, to say he is fit and healthy, Congress then has 21 days to debate it.....Bolton also said it could lead to two people declaring themselves president.

From what I understand is happening now, while he still is president, he will be being bypassed already, whilst he has the nuclear codes, his authority to order a nuclear strike may have already been revoked like Nixons was in 1974, before he left office.



https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...d-nixon-215478

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BREAKING: Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao is resigning, per two officials. Cites yesterday’s events as reason in email to DOT colleagues, per draft. First Cabinet secretary to resign. Chao is married to Mitch McConnell.

---------- Post added at 18:51 ---------- Previous post was at 18:41 ----------



From what I understand, they are only revoking his access through fear or potential trouble Trump could still cause, which is fine. But in doing that ban, they are regardless of right to do so or not, alienating millions of people.
John Bolton is incorrect.

Quote:
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
https://constitutioncenter.org/inter.../amendment-xxv

Mr K 07-01-2021 21:30
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36065680)
Whilst it's correct to criticise Trump's incitement and his mob of supporters who invaded Capitol House, what strikes me is that this was a known event. Not a spontaneous reaction to something.

The question that comes to mind are why weren't reinforcements - be it other police forces, the National Guard, etc ready and waiting to defend Capitol House against the mob?

If they had deployed sufficient law enforcement resources to ensure Capitol House was not breached, then the outcome will have been far more positive and the anti-Western press in Iran, China and Russia would not be gloating.
The 'protestors' weren't black Andrew. Makes all the difference in Trump's US of 2020. In 4 years he's made the country go back 60 years...

1andrew1 07-01-2021 22:23
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36065690)
The 'protestors' weren't black Andrew. Makes all the difference in Trump's US of 2020. In 4 years he's made the country go back 60 years...
I wish you were joking but; as I think Chris said; if the rioters were Black they would have left Capitol Hill in body bags and not in their gas-guzzling SUVs.

Was thinking of your joke about invading the US via Canada. :D Maybe all the MAGA stuff can be amended to Make America Great British Again. :D

Mick 07-01-2021 22:44
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Four of the rioters did end up in body bags. You and Mr K posting without researching as usual. :rolleyes:

Chris 07-01-2021 22:44
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36065693)
I wish you were joking but; as I think Chris said; if the rioters were Black they would have left Capitol Hill in body bags and not in their gas-guzzling SUVs.

Was thinking of your joke about invading the US via Canada. :D Maybe all the MAGA stuff can be amended to Make America Great British Again. :D
We invaded the US via Canada in 1812 ... apparently that was the last time anyone successfully stormed the Capitol. To be fair to us though, we actually had to fight our way in, the defenders didn’t basically just get out the way and leave us to get on with it.

1andrew1 07-01-2021 23:07
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36065695)
We invaded the US via Canada in 1812 ... apparently that was the last time anyone successfully stormed the Capitol. To be fair to us though, we actually had to fight our way in, the defenders didn’t basically just get out the way and leave us to get on with it.
Things ain't what they used to be!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065694)
Four of the rioters did end up in body bags. You and Mr K posting without researching as usual. :rolleyes:
Three who died from medical conditions and one shot for what looked like treason, who died in hospital.

Paul 08-01-2021 01:24
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36065693)
I wish you were joking but; as I think Chris if the rioters were Black they would have left Capitol Hill in body bags and not in their gas-guzzling SUVs.
Thats enough of your stupid racist accustions (and anyone else).
If you want to start spouting such nonsense I'm sure there are BLM forums you can join.

Damien 08-01-2021 07:32
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Two members of his cabinet have resigned.

Lots of people running away from Trump now. Ted Cruz even has released a statement criticising Trump, Lindsey Graham who was his biggest fan after being one of his biggest critics and said this will be judged by history badly. Even Tucker Carlson his biggest ally on Fox News is distancing himself.

Hom3r 08-01-2021 10:50
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Sky or BBC have at times switched to US broadcasters, one said that Trump can still be impeached after the 20th of January, which if passed would stop him for running for President.

cimt 08-01-2021 11:11
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
An officer who was injured in the riots has now died from his injuries. Hopefully his killer is charged with the most severe punishment allowed. This was a failed revolution, they need to be punished.

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/pr...ian-d-sicknick

papa smurf 08-01-2021 11:31
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cimt (Post 36065737)
An officer who was injured in the riots has now died from his injuries. Hopefully his killer is charged with the most severe punishment allowed. This was a failed revolution, they need to be punished.

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/pr...ian-d-sicknick
A revolution in a single building? it was a protest that turned nasty, it was hardly a revolution by any standard.

Chris 08-01-2021 11:36
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
It was a deliberate and coordinated attempt to prevent democratic processes from proceeding, with the ultimate aim of forcing a legitimate election result to be usurped. “Revolution” would be crediting the assorted QAnon and other far right goons with far too much. “Protest” on the other hand is a serious misrepresentation and understatement. It was an act of insurrection.

tweetiepooh 08-01-2021 11:37
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Well Trump thinks everything revolves around him, is that revolution?

"Sire the peasants are revolting!", "Yes they are!" (Wizzard of Id??)

Mick 08-01-2021 11:40
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36065724)
Two members of his cabinet have resigned.

Lots of people running away from Trump now. Ted Cruz even has released a statement criticising Trump, Lindsey Graham who was his biggest fan after being one of his biggest critics and said this will be judged by history badly. Even Tucker Carlson his biggest ally on Fox News is distancing himself.
You obviously didn’t watch all of Lindsay Graham’s statement. It wasn’t all bad that was said.

I have to ask this though...Where is the outrage when Democrats were encouraging the Portland riots last year?

Would not accept Trumps help with the National Guard. Those ******* rioters destroyed business after business. The Democrats lapped this up, are no better. In fact they are *******s. They run their cities in to the ground, turn them in to shitholes. Just look at what New York has become, a Democrat stronghold that’s become a crime invested mess. America is now ****ed with them holding the power. :td:

papa smurf 08-01-2021 11:44
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36065740)
It was a deliberate and coordinated attempt to prevent democratic processes from proceeding, with the ultimate aim of forcing a legitimate election result to be usurped. “Revolution” would be crediting the assorted QAnon and other far right goons with far too much. “Protest” on the other hand is a serious misrepresentation and understatement. It was an act of insurrection.
Act of desperation i would accept, and it was over very quickly. 4 protesters dead and nothing achieved.

1andrew1 08-01-2021 11:53
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36065744)
Act of desperation i would accept, and it was over very quickly. 4 protesters dead and nothing achieved.
Momma Smurf must be very happy with your definition of "over very quickly". ;)

Paddy1 08-01-2021 12:13
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36065695)
We invaded the US via Canada in 1812 ... apparently that was the last time anyone successfully stormed the Capitol. To be fair to us though, we actually had to fight our way in, the defenders didn’t basically just get out the way and leave us to get on with it.
Some context

Hugh 08-01-2021 14:38
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...h=7de9e5af20f2
Quote:
Dominion Voting Systems filed a lawsuit against former Trump campaign legal advisor Sidney Powell Friday for defamation, court records show, after the attorney promoted a baseless conspiracy theory tying the company’s voting machines to widespread election fraud, which the company has threatened could be the first in a series of lawsuits targeting Trump allies who have spread the false claims—and potentially the president himself.

Powell is largely responsible for spreading the far-right conspiracy theory claiming Dominion voting machines helped to fraudulently elect President-elect Joe Biden, and continued to push the false fraud narrative after Dominion sent the attorney a cease and desist letter in December demanding she retract her “knowingly baseless” claims.

There is no evidence of any election fraud tied to Dominion machines—which were actually used in many counties that voted for President Donald Trump—and Powell’s lawsuits involving the fraud claims have all failed in court due to lack of evidence.

Dominion filed the lawsuit after previously saying in its cease and desist letter the conspiracy theory had “put Dominion’s employees’ lives at risk and caused enormous harm to the company.”

The lawsuit was officially filed Friday in federal court in the District of Columbia, and the docket shows prosecutors are asking for $1,303,470,000 in damages.

While going after Powell was Dominion’s first priority, the company has suggested it may file subsequent lawsuits against others who have spread the conspiracy theory. Dominion has sent letters warning of potential litigation to the White House, Fox News, Newsmax, One America News and a number of Trump-allied individuals, including his lawyer Rudy Giuliani, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News personalities Sean Hannity and Maria Bartiromo, conservative attorney Lin Wood and Melissa Carone, who Giuliani has pushed as a witness to the purported election fraud. “We’re looking at everybody...every actor that has made these types of false allegations about us, and also the news media outlets that have allowed these allegations to be amplified, unfettered and unchecked,” Dominion CEO John Poulos told Axios Monday, saying their legal efforts would be “thorough and exhaustive.” Poulos has also not ruled out that the company could sue Trump himself.

Paul 08-01-2021 14:45
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
The Americans do love their lawsuits :D

Mick 08-01-2021 14:51
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
America and it's litigation culture, what a backwards country it's become and it will be more so under Biden. :rolleyes:

jfman 08-01-2021 15:08
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
The Trump campaign is on a bad run in court I expect them to settle out of court rather than face more scathing remarks from the independent judiciary.

Hugh 08-01-2021 15:54
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1610121266

joglynne 08-01-2021 16:02
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36065811)
No doubt his presence will be sorely missed.

papa smurf 08-01-2021 16:14
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36065811)
Well that was a short ban :shocked:

pip08456 08-01-2021 16:14
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36065813)
No doubt his presence will be sorely missed.
There's a reason he isn't going.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErLshd7V...jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErL6URVV...pg&name=medium

jfman 08-01-2021 16:15
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
There’s a lot of interesting debate on the merits of 25th Amendment vs impeachment floating around. I doubt either will happen, certainly not reach a conclusion before he leaves office.

25th Amendment if Trump gets wind of it he can fire the Cabinet members who would vote against, and it’d only take one loyal to Trump (he appointed them after all) for him to know. As it stands, the Cabinet can arguably stop him from acting as he gets increasingly unhinged and monitor the situation for now. If they got sacked they’re suddenly out of some of the decision making processes or chain of command.

Impeachment would almost certainly take too long but could in theory stop him running for public office but unlikely to conclude before January 20th.

Hugh 08-01-2021 16:19
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065817)
There’s a lot of interesting debate on the merits of 25th Amendment vs impeachment floating around. I doubt either will happen, certainly not reach a conclusion before he leaves office.

25th Amendment if Trump gets wind of it he can fire the Cabinet members who would vote against, and it’d only take one loyal to Trump (he appointed them after all) for him to know. As it stands, the Cabinet can arguably stop him from acting as he gets increasingly unhinged and monitor the situation for now. If they got sacked they’re suddenly out of some of the decision making processes or chain of command.

Impeachment would almost certainly take too long but could in theory stop him running for public office but unlikely to conclude before January 20th.
If impeached, he could be disqualified from holding Federal Office (permanently), which only requires a simple majority, not 2/3rds.

Could put a snag in his fund-raising efforts...

jfman 08-01-2021 16:30
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36065819)
If impeached, he could be disqualified from holding Federal Office (permanently), which only requires a simple majority, not 2/3rds.

Could put a snag in his fund-raising efforts...
Well, reality hasn’t stopped fundraising to date. :D

1andrew1 08-01-2021 16:41
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36065816)
There's a reason he isn't going.
It was also rumoured he would be away in Scotland playing golf but the First Minister has said that Covid would prevent a leisure trip.
Quote:
Earlier in the week, citing a source at the Prestwick airport in southwest Scotland, the Sunday Post reported that there was a booking for an American military Boeing 757 plane on January 19, the day before Biden’s inauguration.

While a special version of the larger Boeing 747 is used for Presidential flights under the call sign Air Force One, he has on occasions flown on the smaller jet. The Trump Turnberry resort, however, is located in a region that is under Tier 4 Covid-19 lockdown, the harshest tier, which bans all inward and outward travel. Trump is expected to skip Biden’s inauguration which would be a major departure from presidential norms.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladit...and-come-here/

pip08456 08-01-2021 16:49
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36065817)
There’s a lot of interesting debate on the merits of 25th Amendment vs impeachment floating around. I doubt either will happen, certainly not reach a conclusion before he leaves office.

25th Amendment if Trump gets wind of it he can fire the Cabinet members who would vote against, and it’d only take one loyal to Trump (he appointed them after all) for him to know. As it stands, the Cabinet can arguably stop him from acting as he gets increasingly unhinged and monitor the situation for now. If they got sacked they’re suddenly out of some of the decision making processes or chain of command.

Impeachment would almost certainly take too long but could in theory stop him running for public office but unlikely to conclude before January 20th.
Articles of Impeachment have already been drafted.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1347226169792458756

papa smurf 08-01-2021 16:54
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Trying to remove Trump from office could be the spark that ignites the fire, my advice would be calm down and wait it out and keep Biden off the TV cos he aint helping.

Paul 08-01-2021 17:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Whats the point in trying to remove him now :confused:

He's going to be gone is less than 2 weeks anyway

Hugh 08-01-2021 17:46
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36065826)
Trying to remove Trump from office could be the spark that ignites the fire, my advice would be calm down and wait it out and keep Biden off the TV cos he aint helping.
Isn't that giving into terrorists?

pip08456 08-01-2021 17:52
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36065834)
Whats the point in trying to remove him now :confused:

He's going to be gone is less than 2 weeks anyway
If impeached he would not be able to run in 2024.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36065740)
It was a deliberate and coordinated attempt to prevent democratic processes from proceeding, with the ultimate aim of forcing a legitimate election result to be usurped. “Revolution” would be crediting the assorted QAnon and other far right goons with far too much. “Protest” on the other hand is a serious misrepresentation and understatement. It was an act of insurrection.
Tell the goons that.:D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1610128492

Mr K 08-01-2021 18:10
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36065834)
Whats the point in trying to remove him now :confused:

He's going to be gone is less than 2 weeks anyway
Only takes a few seconds for him to access the nuclear codes in a hissy fit. There's a real security risk, he's unstable.

papa smurf 08-01-2021 18:21
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36065836)
Isn't that giving into terrorists?
no

Chris 08-01-2021 18:22
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36065837)
If impeached he would not be able to run in 2024.

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Tell the goons that.:D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1610128492
That’s one seriously self-incriminated goon ... :D

jfman 08-01-2021 18:26
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
One of the 40 people arrested to date required a Russian interpreter.

Would be interesting to know if any spies got in and what (of any) mischief they would have gotten up to. Bugging Nancy Pelosi's office would make for an interesting listen, and I'd assume the Vice President (as President of the Senate) has some kind of room/office within the building although would rarely be present.

I read a thread on Twitter (I know, I know) and it went into great length about the cyber security implications of devices being bugged or the potential for rogue firmware being installed on 'smart' devices, etc.


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