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Mr K 28-01-2020 20:00
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023839)
Oh please. We haven't asked for anything yet - other than a comprehensive trade deal. They're demanding (as bullies) 25 year fishing rights, ECJ jurisdiction over trade and being spat on by the perfidious Varadkar.

Why are you being like this?
But our position is so strong , they will have to give way to the might of the British Empire !

Has reality dawned yet?

Hugh 28-01-2020 20:07
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023839)
Oh please. We haven't asked for anything yet - other than a comprehensive trade deal. They're demanding (as bullies) 25 year fishing rights, ECJ jurisdiction over trade and being spat on by the perfidious Varadkar.

Why are you being like this?
We haven’t asked for anything, besides a comprehensive trade deal - not asked for much, then?

So we "ask", and they "demand" - some cognitive bias occurring, methinks... ;)

Hom3r 28-01-2020 20:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36023483)
Wonder what he's doing now ....

Proberably still shoutinghis crap.

Well he would do if he hadn'd got the snot kicked out of him and his megaphone stomped on :D

Mr K 28-01-2020 20:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36023843)
Proberably still shoutinghis crap.

Well he would do if he hadn'd got the snot kicked out of him and his megaphone stomped on :D
Oh that's very nice. Peaceful protesters should be beaten up ??? Hitler would have been proud (and I'm not the one to introduce Hitler into this thread).

Sephiroth 28-01-2020 20:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023842)
We haven’t asked for anything, besides a comprehensive trade deal - not asked for much, then?

So we "ask", and they "demand" - some cognitive bias occurring, methinks... ;)
No - what I've said is fact. You're still back in the negative Remain world.

Chris 28-01-2020 20:54
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Well, normal service has resumed I see.

gba93 28-01-2020 23:22
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023844)
Oh that's very nice. Peaceful protesters should be beaten up ??? Hitler would have been proud (and I'm not the one to introduce Hitler into this thread).
Oh that he had been peaceful!

Hugh 29-01-2020 16:24
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Inappropriate post deleted - content against CF T&Cs.

Repetition of this behaviour will invoke the infraction system

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/showpost.php?p=35295114

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/showpost.php?p=35295112

Sephiroth 29-01-2020 16:24
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I want to make it absolutely clear to those who are sore about the Referendum result's implementation that the perfidious Varadkar is deliberately pissing the UK off so as to boost the anti-UK vote in the forthcoming Irish GE.

Thus anyone defending or rationalising what that perfidious politician has to say needs to re-evaluate themselves. If we drop out in 11 months' time with no deal, then his country is a far bigger loser than we would be.

We are a G7 country and as one observer put it somewhere, Ireland ranks 46 in the economy table. And when the EU federates, Ireland will not be a country, it will be a mere state akin to Iowa (but half the size and the same population) or something like that. The EU state of Poland is 4x Ireland's size and 10x population. Ireland will be nothing and may well have lost our market.

Varadkar is the last person who should be reminding us of the EU's size.

pip08456 29-01-2020 17:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023889)
I want to make it absolutely clear to those who are sore about the Referendum result's implementation that the perfidious Varadkar is deliberately pissing the UK off so as to boost the anti-UK vote in the forthcoming Irish GE.

Thus anyone defending or rationalising what that perfidious politician has to say needs to re-evaluate themselves. If we drop out in 11 months' time with no deal, then his country is a far bigger loser than we would be.

We are a G7 country and as one observer put it somewhere, Ireland ranks 46 in the economy table. And when the EU federates, Ireland will not be a country, it will be a mere state akin to Iowa (but half the size and the same population) or something like that. The EU state of Poland is 4x Ireland's size and 10x population. Ireland will be nothing and may well have lost our market.

Varadkar is the last person who should be reminding us of the EU's size.
You had to use perfidious twice when there is a wealth of alternatives?

betraying
deceitful
deceptive
double-crossing
double-dealing
faithless
false
insidious
misleading
recreant
shifty
slick
snake in the grass
traitorous
two-faced
two-timing
undependable
unfaithful
unloyal
unreliable
untrustworthy.

Sephiroth 29-01-2020 17:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36023897)
You had to use perfidious twice when there is a wealth of alternatives?

betraying
deceitful
deceptive
double-crossing
double-dealing
faithless
false
insidious
misleading
recreant
shifty
slick
snake in the grass
traitorous
two-faced
two-timing
undependable
unfaithful
unloyal
unreliable
untrustworthy.
I appreciate the sentiment, Pip. But perfidious really is the best handle. Most of the others (coloured grey above) are off the mark. Also I would appreciate greater uptake of the case I'm making out!

I try to be deliberate about my wording.

pip08456 29-01-2020 17:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023898)
I appreciate the sentiment, Pip. But perfidious really is the best handle. Most of the others (coloured grey above) are off the mark. Also I would appreciate greater uptake of the case I'm making out!

I try to be deliberate about my wording.
I was merely offering alternatives. Only the person using them would know which ones fit.

Sephiroth 29-01-2020 17:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36023899)
I was merely offering alternatives. Only the person using them would know which ones fit.
That's disappointing! I thought you were with me!

pip08456 29-01-2020 18:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023900)
That's disappointing! I thought you were with me!
I didn't say I wasn't.

Sephiroth 29-01-2020 18:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36023902)
I didn't say I wasn't.
You're doing a sort of "Hugh" on me!

Chris 29-01-2020 18:28
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
We are hugh

pip08456 29-01-2020 18:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36023905)
We are hugh
One thing I'm not is Hugh!

As regards Varadkar Seph, I take a tougher line than you. Screw him and what he thinks or wants.

Sephiroth 29-01-2020 18:33
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
On another note - the EU Parliament had fun and games a couple of hours ago as Farage's lot waved Union flags (and were told to take them away and go) whilst the Lib-Dems (the 'Bollocks to Brexit mob) sang Auld Lang Syne.


Hugh 29-01-2020 18:50
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36023905)
We are hugh
Resistance is futile... :D

Hugh 29-01-2020 18:54
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023904)
You're doing a sort of "Hugh" on me!
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1580324065

;)

Damien 29-01-2020 19:10
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023907)
On another note - the EU Parliament had fun and games a couple of hours ago as Farage's lot waved Union flags (and were told to take them away and go) whilst the Lib-Dems (the 'Bollocks to Brexit mob) sang Auld Lang Syne.

Most of them sung Auld Lange Syne. It’s a song of friendship and reconciliation. It was meant as a nice gesture.

Sephiroth 29-01-2020 19:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36023914)
Most of them sung Auld Lange Syne. It’s a song of friendship and reconciliation. It was meant as a nice gesture.
... As in "bollocks to Brexit"?

papa smurf 29-01-2020 19:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023915)
... As in "bollocks to Brexit"?
They didn't just mean brexit they meant democracy.

jonbxx 30-01-2020 10:16
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Here's a really interesting long article about Brexit and how we got here, comparing supranational influence vs. sovereign control and whether Brexit is a radical or conservative issue - https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ontrol/605734/

Hugh 31-01-2020 12:59
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...sels-swz25spl0

Quote:
In a speech on Monday he will say that he (Boris Johnson) is ready to accept the “off-the-shelf” model first proposed by the bloc’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier.

The so-called Canada model allows for almost tariff-free trade in goods but entails border checks and does not include the UK’s large services sector.

Sephiroth 31-01-2020 14:06
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A momentous day, this is.

The day that the UK leaves the EU and unshackles itself from their obsession with a superstate, their obsession with placating the French, their domination (perhaps waning) by German economic power and from the ECJ.

We are free to make our own laws, be judged ultimately by our own people, forge trade agreements around the world, particularly for food products. We regain control of our fisheries and we can spit in the eye of the French government who are demanding 25 years' rights. Two fingers to that lot until they become more reasonable, no matter how big they are as a collective.

Two fingers to the perfidious Varadkar and we should source all our beef in the UK and from places like Argentina and so on.

The guvmin has passed a law that puts all the negotiation outcomes into their sole decision, allowing them to fulfil their election obligations without Parliament getting up to its tricks again.

Bleaters are almost certain to put forward some form of anti-democratic charge and prophesies of doom.

But this is a day on which we become free again.

Hugh 31-01-2020 14:52
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Well, in 11 months time, anyway...

Sephiroth 31-01-2020 15:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024040)
Well, in 11 months time, anyway...
Canada agreement as offered by Barnier some time ago.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8059701.html

That preserves our independence.

And Boris agrees with me.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...sels-swz25spl0

Hugh 31-01-2020 15:52
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I know, I posted it above at 12.59...

But BJ said to NI exporters in November
Quote:
“There will be no forms, no checks, no barriers of any kind. You will have unfettered access.”
And the ”Canada’ model allows for almost tariff-free trade in goods but entails border checks...

btw, from further down in the Times article
Quote:
The EU leaders explicitly warn Mr Johnson that they will reject any attempt by Britain to negotiate a Canada-style free trade agreement unless the government signs up to abide by key European rules.

Simon Coveney, the Irish foreign minister, also warned that a post-Brexit trade deal would not be possible without a “level playing field”.

“Standards will have to be maintained in regards to environmental standards, or workers’ rights and so on,” he said. “That is only half of the challenge, the other half is around fair competition. If the UK is trying to derive a competitive advantage for its own companies in order to trade into the EU — if that’s the objective there will be no trade deal.

“The EU is pragmatic and wants to work in partnership with the UK, but make no mistake, they will defend their own interests, that’s what a trade deal is about,” he added. “The EU is an open book, very predictable, very treaty based, and the UK knows only too well, if they’re not willing to approach negotiations in that knowledge, we’re going to have real problems. The EU will not be taken for granted and will always protect the interests of those staying in the union first and that’s why things may be difficult.”
Anyhow, we’re in the Transition Period for another 11 months, following all the EU Rules, paying our contribution, and subject to EU laws.

Mr K 31-01-2020 16:32
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024047)
But BJ said to NI exporters in November
"There will be no forms, no checks, no barriers of any kind. You will have unfettered access.”
And the ”Canada’ model allows for almost tariff-free trade in goods but entails border checks...
You know, I think BJ is being perfidious :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024047)
btw, from further down in the Times article

Anyhow, we’re in the Transition Period for another 11 months, following all the EU Rules, paying our contribution, and subject to EU laws.
Ah, but from tonight we get the right to have no say in those laws or where our money is spent, so that's got to be worth celebrating surely ? :confused:

Sephiroth 31-01-2020 16:55
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I'll be content if we stiff Varadkar (and Sturgeon). It's preposterous that these pompous individuals from Ireland are threatening us in the name of the big beast bully.

As to Mr K's remarks, the Transition Period is a necessity and thereafter, we are the UK without the EU yoke. The Conservative majority of 80 speaks to that aim. Who is so undemocratic here as to challenge that?

Mr K 31-01-2020 18:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36024051)
I'll be content if we stiff Varadkar (and Sturgeon). It's preposterous that these pompous individuals from Ireland are threatening us in the name of the big beast bully.

As to Mr K's remarks, the Transition Period is a necessity and thereafter, we are the UK without the EU yoke. The Conservative majority of 80 speaks to that aim. Who is so undemocratic here as to challenge that?
It's not Varadkar BJ's 'stiffing' though is it? It's the people of NI he's repeatedly lied to. If anything his actions make a united Ireland more likely (which Varadkar wants). Apart from the Protest/Catholic demographic gradually changing (Catholics are forecast to outnumber Protestants by 2021), all sides might see a better future within the EU, and the Loyalist diehards become the minority. Wouldn't surprise me if NI left the UK before Scotland.

Sephiroth 31-01-2020 20:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36024054)
It's not Varadkar BJ's 'stiffing' though is it? It's the people of NI he's repeatedly lied to. If anything his actions make a united Ireland more likely (which Varadkar wants). Apart from the Protest/Catholic demographic gradually changing (Catholics are forecast to outnumber Protestants by 2021), all sides might see a better future within the EU, and the Loyalist diehards become the minority. Wouldn't surprise me if NI left the UK before Scotland.
It depends on your perspective. I'm talking about what Varadkar is saying NOW. Actually much like he was huffing before Brexit.
He needs to be stiffed.

Other than that, the rest of what you have said can't be convincingly argued against.

1andrew1 31-01-2020 20:55
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36024054)
It's not Varadkar BJ's 'stiffing' though is it? It's the people of NI he's repeatedly lied to. If anything his actions make a united Ireland more likely (which Varadkar wants). Apart from the Protest/Catholic demographic gradually changing (Catholics are forecast to outnumber Protestants by 2021), all sides might see a better future within the EU, and the Loyalist diehards become the minority. Wouldn't surprise me if NI left the UK before Scotland.
Exactly.
BoJo is just a rule-taker when it comes to Brexit. The EU offered an inferior route to Theresa May that NI must align with Eire, even if this means a GB-NI hard border. Theresa May declined as this would splinter the UK. BoJo agreed as it keeps him in power for another year and appears decisive.

Sephiroth 31-01-2020 21:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36024060)
Exactly.
BoJo is just a rule-taker when it comes to Brexit. The EU offered an inferior route to Theresa May that NI must align with Eire, even if this means a GB-NI hard border. Theresa May declined as this would splinter the UK. BoJo agreed as it keeps him in power for another year and appears decisive.
Boris agreed to it so that he could

(a) Leave the EU;

(b) Try to negotiate atrade deal and if failing, then drop out entirely.

Seems very sound to me as a strategy.

1andrew1 31-01-2020 21:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36024062)
Boris agreed to it so that he could

(a) Leave the EU;

(b) Try to negotiate atrade deal and if failing, then drop out entirely.

Seems very sound to me as a strategy.
He could have negotiated for a better deal for the country. Instead, he chose the easiest deal for himself.

papa smurf 31-01-2020 23:05
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And that's the end of that chapter:)

Chris 31-01-2020 23:24
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Thread closed then? :D

Sephiroth 01-02-2020 00:06
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Obviously not before I am able to say that we are unshackled. A great day.

TheDaddy 01-02-2020 01:07
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Great turn out, literally tens of people bothered to show up for the bong fest

papa smurf 01-02-2020 08:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36024068)
Great turn out, literally tens of people bothered to show up for the bong fest
Leave voters didn't want to gloat,but if you want us to i'm sure we can accommodate.

---------- Post added at 08:27 ---------- Previous post was at 08:26 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36024066)
Thread closed then? :D
Next chapter surely ;)

Chris 01-02-2020 11:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36024068)
Great turn out, literally tens of people bothered to show up for the bong fest
Possibly the majority of leave voters aren’t jingoistic, flag-obsessed nutters after all.

Hugh 01-02-2020 13:32
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36024030)
A momentous day, this is.

The day that the UK leaves the EU and unshackles itself from their obsession with a superstate, their obsession with placating the French, their domination (perhaps waning) by German economic power and from the ECJ.

We are free to make our own laws, be judged ultimately by our own people, forge trade agreements around the world, particularly for food products. We regain control of our fisheries and we can spit in the eye of the French government who are demanding 25 years' rights. Two fingers to that lot until they become more reasonable, no matter how big they are as a collective.

Two fingers to the perfidious Varadkar and we should source all our beef in the UK and from places like Argentina and so on.

The guvmin has passed a law that puts all the negotiation outcomes into their sole decision, allowing them to fulfil their election obligations without Parliament getting up to its tricks again.

Bleaters are almost certain to put forward some form of anti-democratic charge and prophesies of doom.

But this is a day on which we become free again.
The UK's fishing and fish processing industries employ 24,000 people and contribute 1.4 billion pounds to the UK economy, that is 0.12% of GDP involving under 0.1% of the UK's 33 million workforce.

There were 1,100,000 financial services jobs in the UK, 3.1% of all job (46 times as many jobs as fishing), and the financial services sector contributed £132 billion to the UK economy (94 times the contribution of fishing), and was 6.9% of total economic output.

Pretty sure Financial Services will take priority over Fishing...

Sephiroth 01-02-2020 14:49
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The guvmin should not sacrifice the little people. Promises were made to them as well.

Besides, if it's so important to the French to have 25 more years in our waters, that's good enough reason to deny it to them. Macron is as perfidious as Varadkar.

Hugh 01-02-2020 15:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36024096)
The guvmin should not sacrifice the little people. Promises were made to them as well.

Besides, if it's so important to the French to have 25 more years in our waters, that's good enough reason to deny it to them. Macron is as perfidious as Varadkar.
Nearly 30% of U.K. fishing rights are owned by five large family businesses -

Lunar Fishing Company, owned by Alexander Buchan and family
Interfish, owned by Jan Colam and family
Klondyke Fishing Company, owned by Robert Tait and family
Andrew Marr International, owned by Andrew Marr and family
JW Holdings, owned by Sir Ian Wood and family.

"the little people"???

pip08456 01-02-2020 15:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024097)
Nearly 30% of U.K. fishing rights are owned by five large family businesses -

Lunar Fishing Company, owned by Alexander Buchan and family
Interfish, owned by Jan Colam and family
Klondyke Fishing Company, owned by Robert Tait and family
Andrew Marr International, owned by Andrew Marr and family
JW Holdings, owned by Sir Ian Wood and family.

"the little people"???
Err the other over 70%?

Sephiroth 01-02-2020 18:55
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The little people include those displaced by the CFP.

Ramrod 01-02-2020 21:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36024068)
Great turn out, literally tens of people bothered to show up for the bong fest
I was there, among many thousands of others :)

pip08456 01-02-2020 22:29
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36024109)
I was there, among many thousands of others :)
Here's a photo from one angle of Parliament Square.Funny how none of the media showed any.

Hugh 01-02-2020 23:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36024111)
Here's a photo from one angle of Parliament Square.Funny how none of the media showed any.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...commiserations

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/brexit-br...n-the-country/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9312426.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...celebrate.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-513...ebrates-brexit

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-02-01/...uropean-union/

Damien 02-02-2020 07:21
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I think he meant about from the BBC (twice), ITV, LBC, the Daily Mail and the Independent. Aside from them. (and The Guardian) then barely a mention in the MSM.

1andrew1 02-02-2020 10:03
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:D

Sephiroth 02-02-2020 11:17
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I think that Boris has got this right.

The pompous EU will try to dictate the negotiation agenda and if it doesn’t suit as, we’ll not comply.

If we are to be an independent nation, we must not be a rule-taker. If they want to export to us, then they’ll have to obey our rules. We can certainly go for equivalence on a whole range of matters - we’ll be reasonable; will they?

Fishing is very important to them - so important that Macron has gobbled about 25 years. As pointed out by others, it’s a small fraction of our GDP but it’s totemic and indeed symbolic of what’s wrong with the EU. Sure give them a year, even r years in return for something concrete. But we are a sovereign nation and we must apply and preserve that sovereignty.

I remember the old days when all no -seasonal fruit came from outside Europe. We must develop that so we can import food from the rest of the world and not buy from the EU if they give us too much gyp.

Then there’s the level playing field. They seem to be terrified of our ability to compete; very much so. That’s not just a card for us to play; it’s a strength we should develop and beat them into the ground on world markets. Would they dare sacrifice their exports to us? They are sufficiently up themselves for that to be a possibility unless their industries put the politicians under pressure.

When someone as big as the UK leaves a club like the EU, something must be fundamentally wrong with the EU. They are so far up themselves as not to see it. Macron pretends to understand by saying that the EU needs to change (and by the way France will be tough on trade negotiations) - all in the same breath. Quite how it can change is not easy to define unless the whole move to federalism is unpicked and they go back to being the EEC.

The ever close union project is a sort of reverse salami slicing process; but by bit taking more and more powers to Brussels so that eventually the EU Parliament will be supreme over national parliaments. Leavers said “no” to that; Remainers, presumably, were OK with federalism. None of the Remainers in this thread have ever said they support federalism - but they would be hypocrites if they didn’t.

My position has always been that I’m happy to leave and happy to remain provided that in the latter case, we could keep sticking it to them. But the deed is done and we are sovereign and should go forward from this point.

Ramrod 02-02-2020 13:17
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I've looked at all of those links and it's only the Daily mail that has a photo that comes close to demonstrating what kind of crowd there was at that event.
You would think that the BBC/ITV et al would have the wherewithal to take a decent pic of the crowd......unless perhaps they didn't want to?

Mr K 02-02-2020 13:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36024116)
I think that Boris has got this right.

The pompous EU will try to dictate the negotiation agenda and if it doesn’t suit as, we’ll not comply.

If we are to be an independent nation, we must not be a rule-taker. If they want to export to us, then they’ll have to obey our rules. We can certainly go for equivalence on a whole range of matters - we’ll be reasonable; will they?

Fishing is very important to them - so important that Macron has gobbled about 25 years. As pointed out by others, it’s a small fraction of our GDP but it’s totemic and indeed symbolic of what’s wrong with the EU. Sure give them a year, even r years in return for something concrete. But we are a sovereign nation and we must apply and preserve that sovereignty.

I remember the old days when all no -seasonal fruit came from outside Europe. We must develop that so we can import food from the rest of the world and not buy from the EU if they give us too much gyp.

Then there’s the level playing field. They seem to be terrified of our ability to compete; very much so. That’s not just a card for us to play; it’s a strength we should develop and beat them into the ground on world markets. Would they dare sacrifice their exports to us? They are sufficiently up themselves for that to be a possibility unless their industries put the politicians under pressure.

When someone as big as the UK leaves a club like the EU, something must be fundamentally wrong with the EU. They are so far up themselves as not to see it. Macron pretends to understand by saying that the EU needs to change (and by the way France will be tough on trade negotiations) - all in the same breath. Quite how it can change is not easy to define unless the whole move to federalism is unpicked and they go back to being the EEC.

The ever close union project is a sort of reverse salami slicing process; but by bit taking more and more powers to Brussels so that eventually the EU Parliament will be supreme over national parliaments. Leavers said “no” to that; Remainers, presumably, were OK with federalism. None of the Remainers in this thread have ever said they support federalism - but they would be hypocrites if they didn’t.

My position has always been that I’m happy to leave and happy to remain provided that in the latter case, we could keep sticking it to them. But the deed is done and we are sovereign and should go forward from this point.
Why are you obsessed with sticking/stiffing it to anybody? Or labelling individuals as 'perfidious'. These things are irrelevant, surely getting the best deal as we can for the UK is what we want? It won't be as good a deal as we had, but, hey ho, that argument has gone. Winding the other side up or posturing is unlikely to get a good deal which is mutually beneficial. We need the EU to thrive as most of our trade is with them. This isn't WW3 no matter how much some would love it to be (we'd lose btw, atm its Rest of the World Vs Little England)

Sephiroth 02-02-2020 14:59
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36024121)
Why are you obsessed with sticking/stiffing it to anybody? Or labelling individuals as 'perfidious'. These things are irrelevant, surely getting the best deal as we can for the UK is what we want? It won't be as good a deal as we had, but, hey ho, that argument has gone. Winding the other side up or posturing is unlikely to get a good deal which is mutually beneficial. We need the EU to thrive as most of our trade is with them. This isn't WW3 no matter how much some would love it to be (we'd lose btw, atm its Rest of the World Vs Little England)
I am not obsessed; rather I am accurately describing the people concerned. They are trying to stiff us so it is quite reasonable to wish the same pox on them.

Your other points are reasonable. But if they are telling us they want a level playing field (i.e. we do not develop our skills so that we compete with their labour practices etc) then we need to resist. For you and I to be on opposite sides of that argument is fair enough.

pip08456 02-02-2020 15:44
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36024120)
I've looked at all of those links and it's only the Daily mail that has a photo that comes close to demonstrating what kind of crowd there was at that event.
You would think that the BBC/ITV et al would have the wherewithal to take a decent pic of the crowd......unless perhaps they didn't want to?
I knew someone would get it.

nomadking 02-02-2020 16:05
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
It was a night event, so only limited numbers of locals in London were ever going to attend.

papa smurf 02-02-2020 21:30
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Nissan drafts plan to double down on UK under hard Brexit





Under the scenario, the Sunderland plant in the UK would be maintained as part of an audacious attempt to steal market share from other carmakers.

If car makers that import to Britain such as Ford and Volkswagen face tariffs that make their cars more expensive, Nissan’s UK-made models would have a competitive edge, allowing the company to grow from 4 per cent of the market currently to as high as 20 per cent, according to the two people.





















https://www.ft.com/content/c4f0d1e2-...a-c4b328d9061c






Nissan has drawn up a plan to pull out of mainland Europe if Brexit leads to tariffs on car exports — but to double down on the UK, where the Japanese company believes it could sell one in five cars.

Chris 02-02-2020 21:51
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
I’d be very happy to consider buying a Nissan. The Leaf looks like a great car.

papa smurf 02-02-2020 22:03
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36024138)
I’d be very happy to consider buying a Nissan. The Leaf looks like a great car.
Do they have that lectric where you live;)

Hugh 02-02-2020 22:13
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36024136)
Nissan drafts plan to double down on UK under hard Brexit

Under the scenario, the Sunderland plant in the UK would be maintained as part of an audacious attempt to steal market share from other carmakers.

If car makers that import to Britain such as Ford and Volkswagen face tariffs that make their cars more expensive, Nissan’s UK-made models would have a competitive edge, allowing the company to grow from 4 per cent of the market currently to as high as 20 per cent, according to the two people.

https://www.ft.com/content/c4f0d1e2-...a-c4b328d9061c

Nissan has drawn up a plan to pull out of mainland Europe if Brexit leads to tariffs on car exports — but to double down on the UK, where the Japanese company believes it could sell one in five cars.
https://www.cityam.com/nissan-plans-...tingency-plan/
Quote:
Nissan was contacted for comment.

The carmaker denied such a contingency plan exists to the Financial Times.
If you open the FT article in an Incognito window, you can see the entire article, which also states

Quote:
The scenario is one of several that the carmaker developed to plan for post-Brexit tariffs. People familiar with the discussions cautioned that the contingency plan was drawn up before Makoto Uchida was installed as the new chief executive in December.
And
Quote:
Nissan’s public position is that the UK plant would be threatened along with its European business if the UK fails to maintain tariff-free access to the EU.

“We deny such a contingency plan exists,” said a spokesman for Nissan Europe. “We’ve modelled every possible ramification of Brexit and the fact remains that our entire business both in the UK and in Europe is not sustainable in the event of WTO tariffs …We continue to urge UK and EU negotiators to work collaboratively towards an orderly balanced Brexit that will continue to encourage mutually beneficial trade.”

TheDaddy 03-02-2020 07:51
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36024071)
Leave voters didn't want to gloat,but if you want us to i'm sure we can accommodate.
Really, singing we are the champions badly isn't gloating?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36024109)
I was there, among many thousands of others :)
You should have said I'd have given you a lift, I didn't go into the square but was lurking about on the other side of the river, didn't look like many thousands to me leaving, looked like about the attendance of one of the low quality league clubs on match day.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024092)
The UK's fishing and fish processing industries employ 24,000 people and contribute 1.4 billion pounds to the UK economy, that is 0.12% of GDP involving under 0.1% of the UK's 33 million workforce.

There were 1,100,000 financial services jobs in the UK, 3.1% of all job (46 times as many jobs as fishing), and the financial services sector contributed £132 billion to the UK economy (94 times the contribution of fishing), and was 6.9% of total economic output.

Pretty sure Financial Services will take priority over Fishing...
To put that even more into perspective Harrods turns over more cash and employs more people than the entire fishing industry put together, not bad for a corner shop

---------- Post added at 07:48 ---------- Previous post was at 07:47 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36024127)
It was a night event, so only limited numbers of locals in London were ever going to attend.
Absolutely, new years eve is nothing to go by, at all...

---------- Post added at 07:51 ---------- Previous post was at 07:48 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36024121)
Why are you obsessed with sticking/stiffing it to anybody? Or labelling individuals as 'perfidious'. These things are irrelevant, surely getting the best deal as we can for the UK is what we want? It won't be as good a deal as we had, but, hey ho, that argument has gone. Winding the other side up or posturing is unlikely to get a good deal which is mutually beneficial. We need the EU to thrive as most of our trade is with them. This isn't WW3 no matter how much some would love it to be (we'd lose btw, atm its Rest of the World Vs Little England)
That's always seemed the daftest thing about all this to me, we're now negotiating to get a deal as close to the one we had a few days ago, the ramifications could be felt in Scunthorpe sadly with the deal to save British steel now in jeopardy, apparently.... :(

papa smurf 03-02-2020 09:57
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024140)
https://www.cityam.com/nissan-plans-...tingency-plan/

If you open the FT article in an Incognito window, you can see the entire article, which also states



And

Do i also have to play ode to joy to get the full experience.

tweetiepooh 03-02-2020 10:14
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
I think that the EEC may have been a good thing but the EU less so.

What I hope happens is that we negotiate with the EU for free trade that works both ways. We can export to EU things they want that comply with their rules and we import the same but our rules. We do buy stuff from the EU and they do buy stuff from us.

We should maintain or exceed safety rules the EU has, if companies import we don't have to buy, they would learn that we aren't daft.

---
Separate note - Turkey. If they do get any traction for membership I can see Cyprus wanting to leave. Talking with Cypriots, one reason for joining the EU is protection from Turkey, if the Turks get free movement they would likely just move in.

Hugh 03-02-2020 10:15
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36024152)
Do i also have to play ode to joy to get the full experience.
If that’s what it takes for you to get the full story - go for it! ;)

papa smurf 03-02-2020 10:43
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024154)
If that’s what it takes for you to get the full story - go for it! ;)
If you open my post in an incognito window play ode to joy whilst wearing a tin foil hat and waving an EU flag.you'll get the full story.;)

jonbxx 03-02-2020 12:28
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36024153)
Separate note - Turkey. If they do get any traction for membership I can see Cyprus wanting to leave. Talking with Cypriots, one reason for joining the EU is protection from Turkey, if the Turks get free movement they would likely just move in.
Cyprus could just veto the membership of Turkey and that would be the end of that as European Council unanimity is required for accession. When push came to shove, Greece would probably veto too.

Turkey is a loooooong way from becoming a member of the EU. It's even further away today as one of the main supporters of Turkeys accession to the EU has just left...

Hugh 03-02-2020 13:29
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36024155)
If you open my post in an incognito window play ode to joy whilst wearing a tin foil hat and waving an EU flag.you'll get the full story.;)
Keep taking the pills... :D

denphone 03-02-2020 14:22
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024161)
Keep taking the pills... :D
Well l take over 20 a day so he can have one of those modified with a bitter aftertaste if he wants.;)

papa smurf 03-02-2020 15:22
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36024167)
Well l take over 20 a day so he can have one of those modified with a bitter aftertaste if he wants.;)
I don't take any medication and i hope i will never need to.

Hugh 04-02-2020 08:29
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
1 Attachment(s)
We appear, over a period of months, to have gone from "exactly the same benefits" to "maybe WTO arrangement with tariffs".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351914
Quote:
Mr Johnson used his speech on "unleashing Britain's potential" to raise the prospect of the UK reverting to World Trade Organisation (WTO) terms if EU chiefs refuse to sign off on a Canada-style free trade agreement.

In his speech in Greenwich, London, the PM said: "We have often been told that we must choose between full access to the EU market, along with accepting its rules and courts on the Norway model, or an ambitious free trade agreement, which opens up markets and avoids the full panoply of EU regulation, on the example of Canada.

We have made our choice - we want a free trade agreement, similar to Canada's but in the very unlikely event that we do not succeed, then our trade will have to be based on our existing Withdrawal Agreement with the EU.

"The choice is emphatically not 'deal or no deal'. The question is whether we agree a trading relationship with the EU comparable to Canada's - or more like Australia's. In either case, I have no doubt that Britain will prosper mightily."
Whatever happened to "the easiest deal in the world"?

Mr K 04-02-2020 08:52
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024198)
We appear, over a period of months, to have gone from "exactly the same benefits" to "maybe WTO arrangement with tariffs".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351914

Whatever happened to "the easiest deal in the world"?
It was a lie Hugh, one of many. I don't think those that told them expected they'd have to deliver.

papa smurf 04-02-2020 09:31
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024198)
We appear, over a period of months, to have gone from "exactly the same benefits" to "maybe WTO arrangement with tariffs".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351914

Whatever happened to "the easiest deal in the world"?
Have you tried opening that in an incognito window and.........

Chris 04-02-2020 10:45
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024198)
We appear, over a period of months, to have gone from "exactly the same benefits" to "maybe WTO arrangement with tariffs".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351914

Whatever happened to "the easiest deal in the world"?
I find it very hard to believe you don’t understand exactly what pre-negotiation tough talk sounds like. You may have noticed the EU doing it as well.

Sephiroth 04-02-2020 10:50
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024198)
We appear, over a period of months, to have gone from "exactly the same benefits" to "maybe WTO arrangement with tariffs".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351914

Whatever happened to "the easiest deal in the world"?
We’ve been over this sneering argument so many times. The EU could have been decent chaps and started from the position of perfect alignment. They chose instead to be bustards.

Now we have our sovereignty we must pick up on their bustardy and adjust accordingly. The whole world is out there.


jonbxx 04-02-2020 11:29
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
The problems is, way back in October, Boris Johnson signed off on the Political Declaration which included this;

Quote:
The precise nature of
commitments should be commensurate with the scope and depth of the future relationship
and the economic connectedness of the Parties. These commitments should prevent
distortions of trade and unfair competitive advantages. To that end, the Parties should
uphold the common high standards applicable in the Union and the United Kingdom at the
end of the transition period in the areas of state aid, competition, social and employment
standards, environment, climate change, and relevant tax matters.
See page 17 of this link

Now, that BBC article says;

Quote:
Mr Johnson rejected the requirement for the UK to adopt Brussels-made rules "on competition policy, subsidies, social protection, the environment, or anything similar, any more than the EU should be obliged to accept UK rules".
Which is the real policy?

I guess we need to wait until the UK formally publishes its' position rather than hearing some gassing on a podium. The EU Commission have published their position for ratification here - https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...directives.pdf

Pierre 04-02-2020 12:27
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36024214)
I find it very hard to believe you don’t understand exactly what pre-negotiation tough talk sounds like. You may have noticed the EU doing it as well.
and the EU now know that is highly unlikely Parliament can prevent anything so they have to take anyt

hing said seriously. Hilary Benn will not be able to table any legislation to block anything.

pip08456 04-02-2020 12:33
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36024217)
The problems is, way back in October, Boris Johnson signed off on the Political Declaration which included this;


See page 17 of this link

Now, that BBC article says;



Which is the real policy?

I guess we need to wait until the UK formally publishes its' position rather than hearing some gassing on a podium. The EU Commission have published their position for ratification here - https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...directives.pdf
A political declaration does not dictate policy, it just states this is where we are and this is where we wish to get to.
One's wishes do not always come to fruition.

jonbxx 04-02-2020 15:46
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36024222)
A political declaration does not dictate policy, it just states this is where we are and this is where we wish to get to.
One's wishes do not always come to fruition.
The political declaration does come under a policy paper section of the governments website - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...al-declaration

On the page is also this;

Quote:
The new Political Declaration sets out the framework for the future relationship between the European Union and the United Kingdom and reflects the Government’s ambition to conclude an ambitious, broad, deep and flexible partnership across trade and economic cooperation with the EU, with a free trade agreement with the EU at its core, alongside agreements on security and other areas of cooperation.
Hence my confusion...

I guess we need to wait for the formal policy to be published as I said before.

pip08456 04-02-2020 15:56
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36024245)
The political declaration does come under a policy paper section of the governments website - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...al-declaration

On the page is also this;



Hence my confusion...

I guess we need to wait for the formal policy to be published as I said before.
What are you confused about? From your own quotes.

Quote:
The new Political Declaration sets out the framework... reflects the Government’s ambition...
Framework: a basic structure underlying a system, concept, or text.

Ambition: a strong desire to do or achieve something.

Sephiroth 04-02-2020 16:40
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
I thought that the key word in the declaration was ‘flexible’.

jonbxx 04-02-2020 17:02
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36024246)
What are you confused about? From your own quotes.



Framework: a basic structure underlying a system, concept, or text.

Ambition: a strong desire to do or achieve something.
I just wanted to know what changed between October and now where we went from an 'ambition to align' to 'no way, no how'.


It's surely either we had no intention on ever following through on the mutually agreed political declaration which doesn't bode well for future negotiations or circumstances have changed.

pip08456 04-02-2020 17:07
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36024252)
I just wanted to know what changed between October and now where we went from an 'ambition to align' to 'no way, no how'.


It's surely either we had no intention on ever following through on the mutually agreed political declaration which doesn't bode well for future negotiations or circumstances have changed.
So I take it you have no idea about pre-negotiation posturing or would prefer that the UK agree with every detail of what the EU want to conclude a deal before any discussion is held?

Chris 04-02-2020 17:12
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36024253)
So I take it you have no idea about pre-negotiation posturing or would prefer that the UK agree with every detail of what the EU want to conclude a deal before any discussion is held?
Sadly the same Remainer tactics we have seen since 2016 are going to be in evidence throughout 2020. Everything the EU says will be taken as intrinsically reasonable, whereas any and all pronouncements by the UK Gov will be seen as flip flopping, disingenuous, ill prepared or (dare I say it) perfidious. :D

They finally lost the battle to overturn the referendum, the next best thing (for them) is to keep the UK as tightly aligned to the EU as possible.

pip08456 04-02-2020 17:31
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36024254)
Sadly the same Remainer tactics we have seen since 2016 are going to be in evidence throughout 2020. Everything the EU says will be taken as intrinsically reasonable, whereas any and all pronouncements by the UK Gov will be seen as flip flopping, disingenuous, ill prepared or (dare I say it) perfidious. :D

They finally lost the battle to overturn the referendum, the next best thing (for them) is to keep the UK as tightly aligned to the EU as possible.
All I can say is "Good luck" with that!

Sephiroth 04-02-2020 18:59
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36024252)
I just wanted to know what changed between October and now where we went from an 'ambition to align' to 'no way, no how'.


It's surely either we had no intention on ever following through on the mutually agreed political declaration which doesn't bode well for future negotiations or circumstances have changed.
Maybe Barnier saying we must abide and the ECJ must have jurisdiction over any trade deal?

Maybe Macron demanding 25 years’ fishing rights as the price of getting a deal?

Maybe the perfidious Varadkar and his similar utterings?

jonbxx 04-02-2020 19:09
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36024253)
So I take it you have no idea about pre-negotiation posturing or would prefer that the UK agree with every detail of what the EU want to conclude a deal before any discussion is held?
I am just going by the joint political declaration published in October which seems to be in conflict with current noises coming out of the government now. I agree that there may be differences in degrees of alignment that need to be bashed out but we seem to have jumped from a significant degree of alignment to none in the space of 4 months.

Hugh 04-02-2020 19:10
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36024263)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx View Post
I just wanted to know what changed between October and now where we went from an 'ambition to align' to 'no way, no how'.


It's surely either we had no intention on ever following through on the mutually agreed political declaration which doesn't bode well for future negotiations or circumstances have changed.
Maybe Barnier saying we must abide and the ECJ must have jurisdiction over any trade deal?

Maybe Macron demanding 25 years’ fishing rights as the price of getting a deal?

Maybe the perfidious Varadkar and his similar utterings?
That hasn’t changed since October - the EU have been saying it for years...

From May 2018
Quote:
The EU's chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, today warned the U.K. that it must accept the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice in order to achieve a successful withdrawal treaty and transition period when leaving the EU.

“We cannot accept that a jurisdiction other that the Court of Justice of the European Union determines the law and imposes its interpretation on the institutions of the Union,” Barnier said in prepared remarks at a meeting of EU law experts in Lisbon.
Or April 2017 - https://euobserver.com/brexit/137632

jonbxx 04-02-2020 19:14
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36024263)
Maybe Barnier saying we must abide and the ECJ must have jurisdiction over any trade deal?

Maybe Macron demanding 25 years’ fishing rights as the price of getting a deal?

Maybe the perfidious Varadkar and his similar utterings?
I am looking at the annex published by the European Commission and these things don't seem to be mentioned. The only role of the CJEU seems to be their involvement on negating judicial cooperation if adequacy is not maintained. There's no dates set on fishing either.

Of course, this may be modified down the line once the Council work through it...

EDIT - seeing the comment up there about the CJEU, that seems to be for the transition period and the UK government agreed to that

pip08456 04-02-2020 20:00
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024268)
That hasn’t changed since October - the EU have been saying it for years...

From May 2018

Or April 2017 - https://euobserver.com/brexit/137632
The EU's draft negotiation document can say what it likes it does not make it so.

Chris 04-02-2020 20:51
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36024267)
I am just going by the joint political declaration published in October which seems to be in conflict with current noises coming out of the government now. I agree that there may be differences in degrees of alignment that need to be bashed out but we seem to have jumped from a significant degree of alignment to none in the space of 4 months.
There has been a general election since October. The parliamentary arithmetic has fundamentally changed, and what was necessary for the government to agree to then, in order to attempt to get parliament’s backing, is not what’s necessary now.

Mr K 04-02-2020 21:00
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
I thought we 'got Brexit done' on 31st Jan, surely time to close the thread ? ;)

pip08456 04-02-2020 21:18
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36024285)
I thought we 'got Brexit done' on 31st Jan, surely time to close the thread ? ;)
It's obvious there are some members who wish we had remained wish to continue discussion. here is no rule that you have to view or contribute to the discussion.

Chris 04-02-2020 21:26
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36024285)
I thought we 'got Brexit done' on 31st Jan, surely time to close the thread ? ;)
Well, now you’ve got me thinking.

Apparently Boris has banned ministers from using the word “Brexit”. Perhaps it’s time to rename this thread.

---------- Post added at 21:26 ---------- Previous post was at 21:24 ----------

... and done. Here’s to the future.

Sephiroth 04-02-2020 22:18
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
If the perfidious Varadkar loses the Irish election this week,
then our future relationship with the EU might have been done a favour.

Just need Macro to fall into the Seine or something. He's up to same tricks as Varadkar - playing to hise public.

And there are still people in this thread who think the EU was/is a worthy institution and that a sovereign UK was/is unimportant.

Pierre 04-02-2020 22:42
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
It’s fascinating. Brussels bring out a PowerPoint slide with their proposals which was just.....blimey I see that shit every day.

Then, the message coming out of the government is.......trade deal? Yes.

But not at any cost, and we’ll just junk it if we don’t like it.

Which is brilliant, because when constrained by Parliament such talk was laughed at in Brussels.............probably not so much now.

The debate has moved on a great deal. For 3 years the EU did not have to take anything we said seriously, now they do, and have 10 months to consider it.

They are under no obligation to do anything, but I suspect a lot will be sorted out very quickly. It’s reality to the EU now.

Hugh 05-02-2020 10:01
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36024304)
If the perfidious Varadkar loses the Irish election this week,
then our future relationship with the EU might have been done a favour.

Just need Macro to fall into the Seine or something. He's up to same tricks as Varadkar - playing to hise public.

And there are still people in this thread who think the EU was/is a worthy institution and that a sovereign UK was/is unimportant.
Phew - we're lucky BJ doesn't do that...

Chris 05-02-2020 11:53
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
In a move I’m sure will be welcomed by those remainers who insisted it would be difficult to achieve, the UK has taken its independent seat at the WTO just days after leaving the EU.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...ite-lizz-truss

Sephiroth 05-02-2020 12:18
Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36024321)
Phew - we're lucky BJ doesn't do that...
... nor did Boris lose his elevtion. Might turn out to be a big difference.


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