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Mr K 13-11-2018 20:10
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970516)
There was no blue wave though which Mr K was attributing to, in his last post.
I was referencing the Independent's headline.

Anyway it seems many investigations are going to begin into the Trumpster in the New Year ..
tbh where do you start !
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-d...nvestigations/

Arthurgray50@blu 13-11-2018 21:14
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I am just wondering what Trump is going to do about the CNN problem.

We will now see a war of words between the courts and the legal team with Trump

And impeachment in 2019 - to see what a blatant liar Trump is - he is running the States like a business.

He is the only President with the lowest praise in history of America

Mick 13-11-2018 22:50
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970518)
I was referencing the Independent's headline.

Anyway it seems many investigations are going to begin into the Trumpster in the New Year ..
tbh where do you start !
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-d...nvestigations/
Anyway and as I told you yesterday, Democrats may hold the House, they won’t be able to do very much so, they can hold as many investigations as they want, do you actually read properly?

Damien 14-11-2018 05:04
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I listen to some US Conservative shows/podcasts and they seem less worried about Russia than investigations into if Trump has using The Presidency to benefit his businesses.

Carth 14-11-2018 09:32
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35970583)
I listen to some US Conservative shows/podcasts and they seem less worried about Russia than investigations into if Trump has using The Presidency to benefit his businesses.
I'd say that's a given, considering it happens world wide with most political leaders and their cohorts :D

Mick 14-11-2018 09:59
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Well as I have said previously, all former current living Presidents have benefitted financially from the office of presidency, particularly when they have left office. Look at how much Bill Clinton has made via speeches. In the decade or so after he left office, from 2001 through 2012, he made at least $104 million in speaking fees, according to The Washington Post.

Damien 14-11-2018 10:33
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The “when they left office” is important. We are talking about using the actual powers of the presidency whilst in office which you’re not allowed to do. Trump is free to make money on books about it, talks about it and so on when he is out of office.

Mick 14-11-2018 10:37
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There is no proof he is making money from his businesses while in office, it's just typical left wing conjecture to pin anything on him.

Mick 15-11-2018 01:29
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
BREAKING: Stormy Daniels Attorney and long term President Trump critic, Michael Avenatti has been arrested by LAPD on alleged Domestic violence Felony charges. LAPD confirm BAIL is set at $50,000.

I guess that's his 2020 Presidential bid dashed then.....

Dude111 16-11-2018 13:31
I think its sad TRUMP is threatening california that he will STOP FEDERAL AID if they dont get the fires under control!!!!

http://www.vox.com/energy-and-enviro...climate-change

HOW ABOUT HE GET OFF HIS ASS AND HELP THEM!!!!!!!! -- He has more $$$$$ then anyone!!!!!!


Unreal bastard!!!!!!

Maggy 16-11-2018 15:54
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-...tDyHYOs9k9DQw0

Quote:
A judge in Washington has ordered the White House to return CNN reporter Jim Acosta's press pass after it was revoked by the US Secret Service.

The judge's order says that the pass must be reinstated as a CNN lawsuit against Donald Trump continues.

The judge said the White House decision likely violated the journalist's right to due process and freedom of speech.

Angua 16-11-2018 16:14
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970635)
There is no proof he is making money from his businesses while in office, it's just typical left wing conjecture to pin anything on him.
Best he stops playing golf at his own resorts at every opportunity then.

Mick 16-11-2018 16:41
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35971090)
Best he stops playing golf at his own resorts at every opportunity then.
Then nothing. That's like me saying, you should stop sleeping in your own bed in your own house.

His golf courses to do what the hell he wants with.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35971087)
Pathetic. It should be up to the White House Secret Service who it lets in. :rolleyes:

Angua 16-11-2018 17:03
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35971095)
Then nothing. That's like me saying, you should stop sleeping in your own bed in your own house.

His golf courses to do what the hell he wants with.

---------- Post added at 16:41 ---------- Previous post was at 16:39 ----------



Pathetic. It should be up to the White House Secret Service who it lets in. :rolleyes:
All the extra people he needs and the golf carts hired because he is POTUS the treasury gets charged for when he plays golf.

Mick 16-11-2018 18:00
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35971103)
All the extra people he needs and the golf carts hired because he is POTUS the treasury gets charged for when he plays golf.
Yes, that's called Secret Service work expenses. :rolleyes:

Mr K 16-11-2018 18:17
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35971113)
Yes, that's called Secret Service work expenses. :rolleyes:
Thought it was called Green Fees at Golf courses? ;) Someone needs to look into that, he might be paying fees out of the public purse that go back him as he owns the courses :D (add it to the list....)

Mick 16-11-2018 18:50
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35971114)
Thought it was called Green Fees at Golf courses? ;) Someone needs to look into that, he might be paying fees out of the public purse that go back him as he owns the courses :D (add it to the list....)
More baseless rubbish from yourself. I don't see you complaining about former President Obama requesting over a million dollars in expenses for this year, quite a big tab for the tax payer to pay, for someone NOT in office. :rolleyes:

1andrew1 16-11-2018 21:17
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35971090)
Best he stops playing golf at his own resorts at every opportunity then.
From an ethical point of view, as President you should not be seen to profit directly from your position.
If Trump is sincere on draining the swamp, he would only play at his own resorts if he didn't benefit financially from doing so. That is what good practice looks like.
(I do get that many benefit in later years from biographies, speeches etc but two wrongs never make a right.)

Hugh 17-11-2018 09:57
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35971113)
Yes, that's called Secret Service work expenses. :rolleyes:
But that’s a circular argument - if he wasn’t going to his golf courses, the expenses wouldn’t be incurred, and all the expenses paid when he goes to his golf courses go to his companies.

So he’s profiting every time he visits his golf courses (and that’s over 160 times since his inauguration).

Mick 17-11-2018 10:51
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35971182)
But that’s a circular argument - if he wasn’t going to his golf courses, the expenses wouldn’t be incurred, and all the expenses paid when he goes to his golf courses go to his companies.

So he’s profiting every time he visits his golf courses (and that’s over 160 times since his inauguration).
So you are denying a 72 ish old man a right to recreational activities, days off etc ?

It really does not matter, unless he directly profiting from foreign governments, heavily investing in his businesses in that it directly influences U.S policy, then that's when it matters. I believe that's covered by the Emoluments Clause. But there is nothing in the Constitution that says a Businessman-come President, has to cease his business, might be the ethical thing to do but it's not required by law and it's law that matters. Up to Congress to act on it.

Democrats may try to change something or set up a new bill or start an investigation, though they are severely limited if they try to aim for impeachment, given they do not control the Senate and that it's not a crime as it currently stands.

I really don't care one way or the other - when president Clinton and Obama can makes hundreds of thousands of dollars in one single speech, then whether in office or not, the office of presidency is a profitable one any way.

Angua 17-11-2018 12:49
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35971182)
But that’s a circular argument - if he wasn’t going to his golf courses, the expenses wouldn’t be incurred, and all the expenses paid when he goes to his golf courses go to his companies.

So he’s profiting every time he visits his golf courses (and that’s over 160 times since his inauguration).
Biggest irony being how he berated Obama for golfing a few times, yet now he has the job, he seems to think it can be done on a part time basis.

Mick 17-11-2018 13:32
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35971193)
Biggest irony being how he berated Obama for golfing a few times, yet now he has the job, he seems to think it can be done on a part time basis.
Do you have anything else you want to tediously complain about?

Strangely enough, despite all his golfing compared to Obama's - the US Economy is doing wonders and job numbers are up by record levels, for blacks and women.

Angua 17-11-2018 14:22
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35971197)
Do you have anything else you want to tediously complain about?

Strangely enough, despite all his golfing compared to Obama's - the US Economy is doing wonders and job numbers are up by record levels, for blacks and women.
Is this actually Trumps doing, or is it perhaps that things were on the upward slope anyway?

The soybean farmers are not so happy.

A little objectivity is needed where Trump is concerned, all is not as rosy as he believes.

Mick 17-11-2018 14:55
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35971199)
Is this actually Trumps doing, or is it perhaps that things were on the upward slope anyway?

The soybean farmers are not so happy.

A little objectivity is needed where Trump is concerned, all is not as rosy as he believes.
That is absolute cobblers.

Factory owners in "Middle America" have been able to reopen derelict steal factories, as I said before job numbers are up, under him, you are just whinging for the sake of it, because it's Trump.

While the upward trend to the economy happened towards the end of Obama's presidency, Trump's Tax cuts have added fiscal fuel, so yes it is down to Trump Administration.

While President Obama was campaigning for Hillary Clinton in 2016 Presidential Election and laughed off suggestions from Trump that he would get the Growth rate to 4% and that Trump would need a "Magic wand." Well I guess Trump has that magic wand because GDP is now above 4% in the U.S.

The Mid terms showed America is fairly happy with him, his party gained seats in the Senate and lost half as many seats in the House that Obama did during the mid terms in his first term. There was no Blue wave that the Democrats said there would be.

Mr K 17-11-2018 17:43
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35971199)
Is this actually Trumps doing, or is it perhaps that things were on the upward slope anyway?

The soybean farmers are not so happy.

A little objectivity is needed where Trump is concerned, all is not as rosy as he believes.
Don't think you'll get objectivity from the main contributer to this thread ;)

Mick 17-11-2018 18:56
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35971221)
Don't think you'll get objectivity from the main contributer to this thread ;)
Dead right - not when facts outweigh peoples hatred for one man.

Hugh 17-11-2018 19:47
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Pity the deficit and debt are increasing...

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinio...mn/1657338002/
Quote:
According to the Monthly Treasury Statement for fiscal 2018, the year that just ended Sept. 30, the deficit was $779 billion — a $113 billion, 17 percent increase over the $666 billion deficit recorded last year.

This was the biggest one-year increase in the deficit since 2009, when the Great Recession wreaked havoc on federal finances. At 3.9 percent, it was the largest deficit compared with gross domestic product since 2013.

The bottom line 2018 deficit number is significant because it occurred during good economic times, when the federal deficit typically falls rather than spikes. But that's not the most important story. A simple analysis of what Treasury reported shows that virtually the entire deficit increase was because the tax cut enacted in December reduced revenues substantially.
https://www.thebalance.com/trump-pla...l-debt-4114401
Quote:
National Debt Since Trump Took Office
At first, it seemed Trump was lowering the debt. It fell $102 billion in the first six months after Trump took office. On January 20th, the day Trump was inaugurated, the debt was $19.9 trillion. On July 30, it was $19.8 trillion, a decrease of $102 billion. But it was not because of anything he did. Instead, it was because of the federal debt ceiling.

On September 8, 2017, Trump signed a bill increasing the debt ceiling. Later that day, the debt exceeded $20 trillion for the first time in U.S. history. On February 9, 2018, Trump signed a bill suspending the debt ceiling until March 1, 2019. On March 15, 2018, the debt exceeded $21 trillion. The debt will continue to increase until the 2019 deadline. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates it could be $22 trillion by then. If so, Trump will have overseen the fastest dollar increase in the debt in just three years.

Trump's Fiscal Year 2019 budget projects the debt will increase $8.3 trillion during his first term. It's almost as much as Obama added in two terms while fighting a recession. Trump has not fulfilled his campaign promise to cut the debt. Instead, he's done the opposite.

Mick 17-11-2018 23:14
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Seriously do you have to keep playing these silly games. Deficit increased under Obama as well.

Hugh 18-11-2018 08:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35971263)
Seriously do you have to keep playing these silly games. Deficit increased under Obama as well.
seriously, I thought the Republicans stated they were the party that opposed increased deficits and debts...

The deficit and debt is increasing faster under Trump, when he said during his campaign he would reduce it.

And the deficit increased under Obama due to trying to recover from the 2008 recession.

Mick 18-11-2018 11:42
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35971270)
seriously, I thought the Republicans stated they were the party that opposed increased deficits and debts...

The deficit and debt is increasing faster under Trump, when he said during his campaign he would reduce it.

And the deficit increased under Obama due to trying to recover from the 2008 recession.
Easy cop out and ridiculous, he and the Democrats did nothing to pay back the deficit for the remaining 8 years of his presidency, increasing it by 9 Trillion. Spending and tax decisions are primarily the responsibility of Congress, the president just signs off on it. Theoretically, I am defending Obama a bit here, as well.

Maggy 19-11-2018 08:56
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46256296

Quote:
Finns have been baffled by US President Donald Trump's comments praising the country for managing its vast forests by raking.

Citing a conversation with his Finnish counterpart, Mr Trump said they spend "a lot of time on raking and cleaning".

But President Sauli Niinisto told a Finnish daily he could not remember talking about raking when the two met.
So who exactly is peddling fake news?

ianch99 19-11-2018 10:15
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35971386)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46256296



So who exactly is peddling fake news?
He just may be on to something:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/11/15.jpg

Stuart 19-11-2018 15:08
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35970377)
Hold on, I thought Robert Mueller was already doing this and after nearly a year, has found NOTHING on Trump ???
A couple of points...

1) We don't know what's going on behind closed doors. If Mueller has something serious on Trump, do you really think he is going to broadcast it?
2) Watergate took longer than a year, and it could be argued that that investigation was shortened, as Nixon was persuaded to resign.

Hugh 20-11-2018 09:46
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
But her emails!!!

Mr K 20-11-2018 10:05
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35971583)
At least she's sent some emails, doubt Trump has turned his office PC on yet. Gets in the way of his TV ;)

Mick 20-11-2018 15:18
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35971583)
If Crooked Hillary can escape clear violations of improper storage of classified material then Ivanka Trump has nothing to worry about.

Hugh 20-11-2018 16:57
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35971631)
If Crooked Hillary can escape clear violations of improper storage of classified material then Ivanka Trump has nothing to worry about.
I look forward to the multiple and incessant screams of outrage by the Republicans, and a full inquiry by the FBI, and her being questioned by a House Select Committee for eleven hours, if she is to be treated the same as Clinton...

Can we get to call her "Crooked Ivanka" now?

Mick 20-11-2018 17:48
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Whatever floats your boat Hugh. Yawn.

Mr K 20-11-2018 20:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35971648)
I

Can we get to call her "Crooked Ivanka" now?
It seems that's a 'Yes' Hugh ;)

1andrew1 21-11-2018 05:29
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
In isolation, this silly oversight is nothing more than that and entirely forgivable.
But given that her dad was carping on about Hillary using her personal email for official business at the time, it shows poor judgement on Ivanka's part.

Hugh 22-11-2018 08:26
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...r-thanksgiving

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President Trump will participate in a Thanksgiving teleconference with members of the military on Thursday amid criticism of his support for troops.

The White House announced Wednesday night that Trump would be participating in “a Thanksgiving teleconference with members of the military” on Thursday morning. The president will be at his Florida resort in Mar-a-Lago on Thanksgiving.

Trump has drawn backlash in recent weeks, including for his decision not to visit Arlington National Cemetery to commemorate Veteran's Day. Trump later made a rare public show of regret, saying during an interview with Fox News that he "should have" visited the cemetery.

The president also received blowback for his criticism of retired Navy Adm. William McRaven, whom Trump knocked in remarks stating that he believed the U.S. should have killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden sooner.

Trump has yet to visit troops deployed in a war zone, a trip that has become a tradition for sitting presidents.

Trump told the Associated Press in a recent interview that he doesn’t think visiting troops in a war zone is “overly necessary.” “I’ve been very busy with everything that’s taking place here,” he said
Nothing says you love the troops like teleconferencing them for a few minutes from your Florida beach resort where you’re spending the holidays at taxpayer expense before teeing off on the golf course you own...

Mick 22-11-2018 11:12
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"Trump has drawn backlash in recent weeks"

According to the Fake News Media or even this thread, he is always drawing backlash but only from the TDS folk. :rolleyes:

Hugh 22-11-2018 14:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35971968)
"Trump has drawn backlash in recent weeks"

According to the Fake News Media or even this thread, he is always drawing backlash but only from the TDS folk. :rolleyes:
Completely avoiding the point that he will teleconference the troops from Mar A Lago, and has not visited any of the troops in combat zone, unlike all of his predecessors...

Carth 22-11-2018 17:38
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To be fair, he probably knows his history regarding assassination attempts on USA presidents, so he just might be trying to avoid some of that alleged 'friendly fire' from the troops out there :D

Mr K 22-11-2018 20:31
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35972022)
To be fair, he probably knows his history regarding assassination attempts on USA presidents, so he just might be trying to avoid some of that alleged 'friendly fire' from the troops out there :D
You could very well be right there !

Mick 22-11-2018 21:45
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35972022)
To be fair, he probably knows his history regarding assassination attempts on USA presidents, so he just might be trying to avoid some of that alleged 'friendly fire' from the troops out there :D
Check the date too - it's exactly 55 years to the day when President John F. Kennedy was Assassinated in Dallas, Texas.

Hugh 27-11-2018 13:44
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1 Attachment(s)
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...vis-growing-up
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President Trump said at a rally Monday night that people said he looked like Elvis Presley when he was younger, “except for the blond hair.”

Trump made the remarks as he hosted a rally for Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-Miss.) in Tupelo, Miss., the birthplace of the legendary singer, ahead of her runoff election on Tuesday against Democrat Mike Espy.

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“Tupelo, home of thousands of hard-working American patriots, and the proud birthplace of the king of rock n’ roll, Elvis. Elvis! We love Elvis,” Trump said at the rally.

“I shouldn’t say this, you’ll say I'm very conceited, because I’m not, but other than the blonde hair, when I was growing up they said I looked like Elvis,” he continued.

“Can you believe it?” he added. “I always considered that a great compliment.”
True story...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1543326170

papa smurf 27-11-2018 14:02
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1 Attachment(s)
[QUOTE=Hugh;35972664]https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...vis-growing-up

True story...

Yes i can see a likeness

Hugh 27-11-2018 16:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35972665)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35972664)
Yes i can see a likeness
They could be twins...

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/11/16.jpg https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1543327309

There is one slight difference between them, though.


One of them served in the US Armed Forces...

daveeb 27-11-2018 17:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35972676)
They could be twins...

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/11/17.jpg https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1543327309

There is one slight difference between them, though.


One of them served in the US Armed Forces...
:)
Well he had far more important things to do :rolleyes:

papa smurf 27-11-2018 18:26
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1 Attachment(s)
Thank you very much uhuh

1andrew1 27-11-2018 20:44
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Last year, Trump promised 900 new GM jobs in Michigan and that the company was going to open more plants. He was quick to take the credit for it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/53606800...#sp=show-clips

Yesterday, GM advised it was closing five plants and cutting 14,000 jobs. Wonder if he'll take the blame for it?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/b...gtype=Homepage

Maggy 28-11-2018 08:45
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46365240

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US President Donald Trump has escalated his attack on General Motors (GM) a day after the carmaker announced major job cuts.

Mr Trump wrote on Twitter that he was "very disappointed" and "looking at cutting all GM subsidies, including ... for electric cars".

It was not immediately clear what specific subsidies he had in mind.

GM's decision to halt production at factories in the US and Canada has angered many politicians.

For Mr Trump in particular, the cuts are a blow, as he has made rebuilding the US auto industry one of his administration's priorities.
Not sure that threatening a company that he's relying on to turn the industry around is particularly helpful in these days of globalisation. They could just up sticks and find another more accommodating country to make their product.

Hugh 28-11-2018 10:11
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One of the reasons for the plants closing is the steel and aluminium tariffs - in a global manufacturing environment, it’s rare that everything is made in one country; parts are shipped between, and assembled, in different counties - imposing tariffs disrupts this flow, with the impact we have just seen (GM have said it will reduce their annual profit by $1 billion).

Also, the plants that are shutting produce smaller cars, and the North American market has moved to crossovers, SUVs, and Hybrids, and it is more cost-effective to increase throughput in car plants that already produce these (and that are mainly automated, so few extra jobs) than to re-tool the factories that produce small cars.

There’s a good article in Forbes (a very Conservative publication) about it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidki.../#21a137a86057
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That GM is looking to cut thousands of jobs at a time when the economy is performing well indicates a few realities of the global economy and the future of mobility. Ford, too, is expected to announce huge job cuts this week.

–Many forecasters project that the U.S., the best market for GM and Ford, could see annual sales fall to between 15 million and 15.5 million a year for the next five years or so because of an overheated used car supply, as well as a decline in new-vehicle ownership among consumers 20-32.

–GM, like most other car companies, is readying their operations and employee headcount for a rise in mobility usage, rather than vehicle ownership–ride-hailing services like Uber and Lyft; increasing moves to city centers where consumers don’t want to own vehicles; burgeoning businesses around autonomous driving fleets that will have costs competitive with car ownership. "We are right-sizing capacity for the realities of the marketplace," Chief Executive Mary Barra said, adding that GM will double resources dedicated to electric and self-driving vehicles over the next two years.

–A shift in consumer tastes away from sedans, which many plants are geared to produce, to plants that build crossovers SUVs. Ford and FCA, too, have announced they are phasing out sedans.

–Higher costs, due in part to the Trump administration steel tariffs, have already cost GM $1 billion, and those costs will persist and rise as long as they are in place.

Damien 28-11-2018 10:24
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It's what people were saying before about kicking off trade wars. You still lose even if the other side (i.e China) loses more. He is still talking about putting tariffs on iPhones e.t.c. Apple on of the top companies in America. Still I guess it will help Samsung (South Korea)....

Mr K 28-11-2018 21:26
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8655396.html
Quote:
. Trump says he doesn't believe in climate change because 'air and water is at a record clean'
'They talked about at some point the planets could have freeze to death,' president claims.
One of the problems that a lot of people like myself - we have very high levels of intelligence, but we’re not necessarily such believers,” Mr Trump told The Washington Post.
Mmmm, yes, Donald. You could dismiss him as thick, but that would be an insult to thick people...

Damien 29-11-2018 14:38
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1068148445385551873

Quote:
BREAKING: Michael Cohen pleads guilty to lying to Congress about Trump real estate project in Russia.


---------- Post added at 14:38 ---------- Previous post was at 14:33 ----------

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mich...ry?id=59491450

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Cohen’s earlier plea deal with federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York implicated President Trump in campaign finance felonies. Since then, Cohen has spent more than 70 hours in interviews with Mueller's team.

Hugh 29-11-2018 20:44
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I’m sure it’s just coincidence that this happened on the same day Cohen made a plea agreement...

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...sly-worked-for
Quote:
Federal agents have reportedly raided the Chicago City Hall office of a lawyer who previously did tax work for President Trump.

The Chicago Sun-Times reports that federal agents removed everyone from the office of Chicago Finance Committee Chairman Ed Burke on Thursday morning, covering the floor-to-ceiling windows with brown paper...

...Burke worked for Trump for more than a decade doing property tax work.

Burke’s law firm of Klafter & Burke has worked with Trump’s companies repeatedly to reduce the property tax that Trump Tower and his other properties in Chicago have had to pay, according to the Sun-Times.

Over his 12 years working for Trump, Burke was allegedly able to cut the property taxes on the downtown tower by more than $14 million.

Burke stopped working for Trump this summer, citing “irreconcilable differences” in letters filed with the Illinois State Property Tax Appeal Board.
Full text of the plea deal

https://www.politico.com/www.politic...7-60beeb580001

Damien 29-11-2018 21:35
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Mueller clearly went quiet for the midterms and is ramping back up again. In this case it appears to be related to a property in Russia happening at the same time as Trump running for President. It'll be interesting to see what that is about (not illegal to do business whilst running for President) and why Trump said he wasn't and why Cohen lied about it to congress.

Mick 29-11-2018 22:00
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
It’s a non-story as per usual. Mueller has nothing and is squeezing an already unreliable witness with Cohen. Non of Mueller’s other targets are flipping, not that there is anything to flip for with an hoax investigation.

Hugh 29-11-2018 22:09
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Last 24 hours...

Deutsche Bank raided
Feds raid Trump Tax Attorney
Cohen pleading guilty lying to Congress
Cohen implicates Trump in Russia Hotel
Manafort & Stone busted
Corsi admitted he & Stone lied to Congress
Trump cancels Putin meeting

Interesting times...

1andrew1 29-11-2018 22:11
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35972979)
Last 24 hours...

Deutsche Bank raided
Feds raid Trump Tax Attorney
Cohen pleading guilty lying to Congress
Cohen implicates Trump in Russia Hotel
Manafort & Stone busted
Corsi admitted he & Stone lied to Congress
Trump cancels Putin meeting

Interesting times...
Looks like Trump is making good on his promise to drain the swamp. ;)

Mick 29-11-2018 22:13
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35972979)
Last 24 hours...

Deutsche Bank raided
Feds raid Trump Tax Attorney
Cohen pleading guilty lying to Congress
Cohen implicates Trump in Russia Hotel
Manafort & Stone busted
Corsi admitted he & Stone lied to Congress
Trump cancels Putin meeting

Interesting times...


But not really. Yawn. It’s desperation because Mueller has nothing.

Damien 29-11-2018 22:17
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35972981)
But not really. Yawn. It’s desperation because Mueller has nothing.
Who knows? We'll have to see. I don't think he'll have something directly on Trump but it seems to be focusing on some specific things now.

Mick 29-11-2018 22:20
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Nothing that points to any collusion. Just charges based on people lying. It’s a big yawn.

Hugh 30-11-2018 08:02
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/u...ump-tower.html

Quote:
Trump’s Recall of Moscow Deal Matches Cohen’s, President’s Lawyers Say

The latest criminal charges against Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s longtime fixer, for lying about a Moscow hotel deal raised questions of whether Mr. Cohen created new legal risks for Mr. Trump or his family members, possibly by contradicting what they told investigators about the same project.

The answer, at least according to the president’s lawyers and people close to his family, is no. Although Mr. Trump’s lawyers have long worried that the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, is trying to catch Mr. Trump in a lie, they said Mr. Cohen’s new account of the Trump Organization’s abortive hotel project in Moscow essentially matches what Mr. Trump himself stated in written answers delivered to prosecutors just nine days ago.

Mr. Cohen might have lied to the authorities about aspects of the deal, as the complaint charges, they said, but the president did not...

...According to the new documents released by the special counsel, Mr. Cohen lied when he told Congress last year that he had talked to Mr. Trump about the project only three times and that the proposal died in January 2016 — before the first primary in the race for the Republican presidential nomination. He also concealed his interactions with Russian officials and the fact that he asked Mr. Trump to travel to Russia to promote the deal because, he said, he wanted to support Mr. Trump’s “political messaging.”
Surely that means that Trump knew at the time Cohen lied to Congress, as the evidence Cohen gave at that time did not match what Trump knew had actually happened?

At the time Cohen gave evidence to Congress, he was still Trump’s personal lawyer.

Mr K 30-11-2018 08:14
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Lock him up.

OLD BOY 30-11-2018 10:31
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35973008)
Lock him up.
With Hilary, and make it a pay-per-view cage fight!

Mick 30-11-2018 11:50
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35973008)
Lock him up.
He has to have committed a crime first... :dunce:

Stuart 30-11-2018 12:21
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35972984)
Nothing that points to any collusion. Just charges based on people lying. It’s a big yawn.
Do you really think Mueller has revealed everything he has? None of us know what he has. He is likely charging people for smaller crimes in the hope that they'll talk about bigger ones. That's actually how they've brought down a lot of major criminals (get their associates to talk under oath). It may lead to Trump, it may not, but the fact they are finding so many people Trump has employed (whether directly or indirectly) in his personal staff or administration have commited chargable acts would suggest something is up.

Personally, I would argue that some of the references Trump made to charging Hillary would at least imply he is more involved in something dubious than he wants us to know, but my argument is based on what he said. We all know what he says isn't necessarily accurate.

Hugh 01-12-2018 23:58
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Awkward...

Arthurgray50@blu 02-12-2018 18:57
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I think that DT is as guilty as hell. The ground is crumbling under him, and he knows it.

But it doesn't matter. As if he was given the boot - which it wouldn't matter - as he has all those millions behind him. It wouldn't bother him.

He got the plum job, that's all he is bothered about.

He has caused more friction in America, especially with all the females. Then any other President l know

Stephen 04-12-2018 09:30
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
for a man 'not guilty' his tweets are getting more and more bizarre and desperate.

Mick 04-12-2018 09:38
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Or could be someone rightfully arguing his case against the hoax investigation which is what it is - this thread closes this week btw.

Hugh 04-12-2018 10:07
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
If only Trump could close down the investigation as easily...

Mick 04-12-2018 10:16
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35973673)
If only Trump could close down the investigation as easily...
He can if he wanted to as he should it is a total hoax. Republican Senators won't put to a vote, to Protect the firing of Special Counsel Robert Mueller. I wonder why...... :rolleyes:

But please - Don't compare his issues with a topic of discussion on a forum that has been going on and on and is just a long running hate blog - Obama never had a long running thread despite all his mistakes and neither did George W Bush and he made plenty. Trump should not be getting one either.

Hugh 04-12-2018 11:03
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I don’t remember members of the Obama Campaign and/or Administration being indicted/ found guilty of crimes, or Obama taking multiple long weekends at his own golf resorts, or all the US Intelligence Agencies stating that Russia interfered in the 2008/2012 Elections, or that Obama didn’t encourage violence against others at his rallies, or that Obama didn’t call those who disagreed with him ‘enemies of the State’, or Obama continuously telling everyone how he was the best at everything.

Perhaps those are some of the reasons this thread has been so long-running.

Mick 04-12-2018 11:12
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35973698)
I don’t remember members of the Obama Campaign and/or Administration being indicted/ found guilty of crimes, or Obama taking multiple long weekends at his own golf resorts, or all the US Intelligence Agencies stating that Russia interfered in the 2008/2012 Elections, or that Obama didn’t encourage violence against others at his rallies, or that Obama didn’t call those who disagreed with him ‘enemies of the State’, or Obama continuously telling everyone how he was the best at everything.

Perhaps those are some of the reasons this thread has been so long-running.
Oh when was Trump indicted or found guilty of any crime?

Stop being so bloody ridiculous Hugh. I must have missed the big news announcement of the above bombshell!!! :rolleyes:

Damien 04-12-2018 11:17
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Regardless of the individual opinions of the merits of the investigation there is nevertheless an investigation into the campaign, and the wider election, of the President. That is a continuing and pretty big story.

We're also a few months away now from the 2020 Presidential Election stories getting really started. The first hustlings/debates for the Democratic nomination will likely start in the spring with the first candidates declaring in the new year.....

Mick 04-12-2018 11:24
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35973698)
I don’t remember members of the Obama Campaign and/or Administration being indicted/ found guilty of crimes, or Obama taking multiple long weekends at his own golf resorts, or all the US Intelligence Agencies stating that Russia interfered in the 2008/2012 Elections, or that Obama didn’t encourage violence against others at his rallies, or that Obama didn’t call those who disagreed with him ‘enemies of the State’, or Obama continuously telling everyone how he was the best at everything.

Perhaps those are some of the reasons this thread has been so long-running.
And if you are going to be so bleeding petty - take a look at the following list of Federal Politicians (Democrats) under Obama Administration who were indicted!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...(D)_presidency)
  • 2009–2017 (Barack Obama (D) presidency)
  • Executive branch
  • General David Petraeus (R)Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. On April 23, 2015, a federal judge sentenced Petraeus to two years' probation plus a fine of $100,000 for providing classified information to Lieutenant Colonel Paula Broadwell. (2015)
  • Legislative branch
  • Anthony Weiner (D-NY)[5] was convicted of sending sexually explicit photos of himself to a 15-year-old girl and was made to sign the sexual offenders register. (2017)
  • Corrine Brown (D-FL) was convicted on 18 felony counts of wire and tax fraud, conspiracy, lying to federal investigators, and other corruption charges. (2017)[7]
  • Chaka Fattah (D-PA) was convicted on 23 counts of racketeering, fraud, and other corruption charges. (2016)
  • Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL) pleaded guilty February 20, 2013, to one count of wire and mail fraud in connection with his misuse of $750,000 in campaign funds. Jackson was sentenced to two-and-one-half years' imprisonment. (2013)
  • Laura Richardson (D-CA) was found guilty on seven counts of violating US House rules by improperly using her staff to campaign for her, destroying the evidence and tampering with witness testimony. The House Ethics Committee ordered Richardson to pay a fine of $10,000. (2012)

By the way only one has been indicted so far under Trump - that's Flynn and even that is a dodgy looking indictment.

Stuart 04-12-2018 12:04
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35973700)
Oh when was Trump indicted or found guilty of any crime?

Stop being so bloody ridiculous Hugh. I must have missed the big news announcement of the above bombshell!!! :rolleyes:
Hugh didn't say that. He said members of the Administration/Campaign had been indicted or found guilty. Last I checked, Trump wasn't the only member of the administration and his campaign, and people who were members of one or both of those entities had been at least indicted.

If Trump is serious about "draining the swamp" he should be helping the investigation, not rallying against it.

Mick 04-12-2018 12:20
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
And what about the actual investigators leaking to the press?

It’s a political witch hunt and a hoax!!

Hugh 04-12-2018 13:36
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35973704)
And if you are going to be so bleeding petty - take a look at the following list of Federal Politicians (Democrats) under Obama Administration who were indicted!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...(D)_presidency)
  • 2009–2017 (Barack Obama (D) presidency)
  • Executive branch
  • General David Petraeus (R)Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. On April 23, 2015, a federal judge sentenced Petraeus to two years' probation plus a fine of $100,000 for providing classified information to Lieutenant Colonel Paula Broadwell. (2015)
  • Legislative branch
  • Anthony Weiner (D-NY)[5] was convicted of sending sexually explicit photos of himself to a 15-year-old girl and was made to sign the sexual offenders register. (2017)
  • Corrine Brown (D-FL) was convicted on 18 felony counts of wire and tax fraud, conspiracy, lying to federal investigators, and other corruption charges. (2017)[7]
  • Chaka Fattah (D-PA) was convicted on 23 counts of racketeering, fraud, and other corruption charges. (2016)
  • Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL) pleaded guilty February 20, 2013, to one count of wire and mail fraud in connection with his misuse of $750,000 in campaign funds. Jackson was sentenced to two-and-one-half years' imprisonment. (2013)
  • Laura Richardson (D-CA) was found guilty on seven counts of violating US House rules by improperly using her staff to campaign for her, destroying the evidence and tampering with witness testimony. The House Ethics Committee ordered Richardson to pay a fine of $10,000. (2012)

By the way only one has been indicted so far under Trump - that's Flynn and even that is a dodgy looking indictment.
Erm, only one of those was a member of his Administration - Petraeus.

All the rest were Democratic politicians, not members of his campaign/administration - you seem to be moving the goal posts...

---------- Post added at 13:36 ---------- Previous post was at 13:35 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35973719)
And what about the actual investigators leaking to the press?

It’s a political witch hunt and a hoax!!
It's more likely that Trump (and other defendants') lawyers and associates that are doing the leaking...

Stephen 04-12-2018 13:43
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
You could say that any investigation into a person is a 'witch hunt'

They are investigating the claims made and will continue it until they either find enough evidence that proves the claims correct, or if while investigating come across other crimes and illegal activities conducted by others proceed with those or if nothing is proved it will be concluded.

They won't just shut down the investigation because the person at the centre of it claims there is nothing to find and protesting his innocence greatly and at every opportunity. Which in many cases goes some way to indicating they have something to hide.

Mick 04-12-2018 14:51
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35973727)
Erm, only one of those was a member of his Administration - Petraeus.
Yes I am aware of that - I was hoping for you to point it out.

So as it stands, Trump has one - Obama had one. You've made my point for me - Thanks. ;)

Stuart 04-12-2018 15:21
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35973719)
And what about the actual investigators leaking to the press?

It’s a political witch hunt and a hoax!!
They seem to be finding an awful lot if it's a hoax.

Hugh 04-12-2018 15:39
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35973736)
They seem to be finding an awful lot if it's a hoax.
Lot of witches around...

---------- Post added at 15:39 ---------- Previous post was at 15:36 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35973735)
Yes I am aware of that - I was hoping for you to point it out.

So as it stands, Trump has one - Obama had one. You've made my point for me - Thanks. ;)
Since his election in November 2016, Trump’s campaign chairman, his deputy campaign manager, his national security adviser, his personal lawyer and a foreign policy aide have all admitted crimes or been convicted as a result of special prosecutor Robert Mueller’s investigation - I count that as 5 (4 if you don’t count his long-time personal lawyer).

Mick 04-12-2018 16:46
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35973740)
Since his election in November 2016, Trump’s campaign chairman, his deputy campaign manager, his national security adviser, his personal lawyer and a foreign policy aide have all admitted crimes or been convicted as a result of special prosecutor Robert Mueller’s investigation - I count that as 5 (4 if you don’t count his long-time personal lawyer).
Only one was in his Administration, like Obama's.

You are moving the goal posts now, which is ultimately why I have had enough of this bullshit thread and why it will be closing soon. :rolleyes:

Hugh 04-12-2018 17:06
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35973753)
Only one was in his Administration, like Obama's.

You are moving the goal posts now, which is ultimately why I have had enough of this bullshit thread and why it will be closing soon. :rolleyes:
My original post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35973698)
I don’t remember members of the Obama Campaign and/or Administration being indicted/ found guilty of crimes, or Obama taking multiple long weekends at his own golf resorts, or all the US Intelligence Agencies stating that Russia interfered in the 2008/2012 Elections, or that Obama didn’t encourage violence against others at his rallies, or that Obama didn’t call those who disagreed with him ‘enemies of the State’, or Obama continuously telling everyone how he was the best at everything.

Perhaps those are some of the reasons this thread has been so long-running.
Goalposts appear to be in their original position.

Damien 04-12-2018 17:07
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
We'll be getting the extent to which Cohen has collaborated with Mueller today.

Mick 04-12-2018 17:17
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35973760)
My original post



Goalposts appear to be in their original position.
Your goalposts are irrelevant - They are still tallied the same. Obama has one - Trump has one-end of discussion.

Hugh 04-12-2018 17:41
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35973762)
We'll be getting the extent to which Cohen has collaborated with Mueller today.
Also today...

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...uments-1041324
Quote:
A federal judge on Monday said lawyers for Maryland and Washington, D.C., can begin issuing subpoenas in a lawsuit that accuses President Donald Trump of using his luxury hotel in Washington to unconstitutionally profit from his political office.

The attorneys general in Maryland and Washington say they plan to serve as many as 20 companies and government agencies with subpoenas by midday Tuesday. It’s the first time a lawsuit alleging a president violated the Constitution's emoluments, or anti-corruption, clauses has advanced to the discovery stage.

Mick 04-12-2018 17:54
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Tough luck - I don't care what may or may not be happening in Trump's world, if you want to discuss Trump to your hearts content, start your own forum.

Damien 05-12-2018 06:34
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Looks like Flynn will avoid jail time after his "substantial assistance" to Mueller.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46449950

Quote:
The special counsel investigating alleged Russian collusion in the 2016 US election will not be pursuing a jail sentence for former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

Mr Flynn has admitted lying to the FBI.

But in a memo, Robert Mueller said Mr Flynn had provided "first-hand" details about links between the Trump election team and Russian officials.
But there also appears to be something else happening with the investigation:

Quote:
And then there is this intriguing element. In one section there is the simple sentence "the defendant has provided substantial assistance in a criminal investigation" but everything below it is blacked out.
What else is being investigated?

Mick 05-12-2018 07:11
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
This Mueller memo to recommend no prison time on Flynn suggests Mueller is not going after Trump on collusion with Russia.

Flynn worked with the Obama Administration for years, he worked with Trump for 24 days. A separate criminal investigation is being led by someone else than the special counsel. Before Sessions was fired, he had appointed John Huber, U.S Attorney who has prosecutorial powers and he isn’t tasked for targeting the U.S President.

Hugh 05-12-2018 09:19
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Donald J. Trump
@realdonaldtrump

....I am a Tariff Man. When people or countries come in to raid the great wealth of our Nation, I want them to pay for the privilege of doing so. It will always be the best way to max out our economic power. We are right now taking in $billions in Tariffs. MAKE AMERICA RICH AGAIN

04/12/2018 15:03
Tariffs are paid by American consumers, and they raise the prices of many things they buy.

They function exactly like taxes, so in effect Trump has raised taxes on most Americans, making Americans poorer.

Stephen 05-12-2018 13:32
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35973896)
Tariffs are paid by American consumers, and they raise the prices of many things they buy.

They function exactly like taxes, so in effect Trump has raised taxes on most Americans, making Americans poorer.
For a 'business man' he really doesn't get a lot of what makes businesses thrive.

same goes for being President and how the economy and trade deals actually work.

Its all take take take. Give us this and make us rich, that won't help when companies and other countries don't want to do business and the US fall flat on its butt.

Mick 06-12-2018 01:23
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35973944)
For a 'business man' he really doesn't get a lot of what makes businesses thrive.

same goes for being President and how the economy and trade deals actually work.

Its all take take take. Give us this and make us rich, that won't help when companies and other countries don't want to do business and the US fall flat on its butt.
Absolute claptrap.

Then please explain the bloody growth rate in the US, being at or over 4% - something his predecessor said he would need a magic wand to get it to!!! :rolleyes:

Carth 06-12-2018 02:25
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Business men usually understand how their (and other) business works.

Politicians simply know how to tax it.

Trump can do both

Hugh 06-12-2018 09:01
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35974025)
Absolute claptrap.

Then please explain the bloody growth rate in the US, being at or over 4% - something his predecessor said he would need a magic wand to get it to!!! :rolleyes:
Unless, of course, you count the three times in when he did, in 2010, 2012, and 2014.

btw, Obama never said that - it’s something that Trump made up (shock horror, I know...)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8532131.html [quote]

Quote:
Donald Trump has attributed a false quote to Barack Obama in a tweet about the US economy.

The president wrote: “’President Trump would need a magic wand to get to 4% GDP,’ stated President Obama. I guess I have a magic wand, 4.2%, and we will do MUCH better than this! We have just begun.”

But Mr Obama has never said this, and during his presidency GDP exceeded 4.2 per cent on three separate occasions.


---------- Post added at 09:01 ---------- Previous post was at 08:58 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35974030)
Business men usually understand how their (and other) business works.

Politicians simply know how to tax it.

Trump can do both
Successful business people don’t normally have multiple bankruptcies


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