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Oh I don't know, he likes cricket so can't be that bad ;)

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And he talks more common sense then this current lot who have no clue which way they are travelling and are led by a weak incapacitated leader who cannot lead strongly but is being led by others.

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He is not talking common sense IMO. The guy is an utter plank and an 'has been', just like Tony Blair, that needs to stay where he belongs, in history.

John Major didn't give people a say when he signed the Maastricht Treaty, so why should he insist people now get another referendum when he didn't even give one at all?

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Well he, along with every living Prime Minister, including Theresa, campaigned to remain in the EU. They must know something about how our trade works. Ever since the vote our Govt. has been in chaos.

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He knew very little, was a heavy defender of the ERM (Exchange Rate Mechanism) and Mrs T. warned him about it but to no avail, the £ crashed out of the ERM, AKA "Black Wednesday".

During the ERM crisis interest rates had peaked at 12%, can you imagine that happening today, and peoples mortgages payments literally increasing tenfold.

I'll be taking no lectures from Major on financial & trade issues.

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Nailed it. The Government could easily have published its paper on the Ireland of Island before the EU. Instead, it's waited for the EU to publish its one and then said it's unsatisfactory. Doh! The UK's the one leaving so should be coming up with the ideas.

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Too right!!

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Clueless and rudderless springs to mind...

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The NI only became an issue for some Remainers so they attempt to use it to scupper Brexit. Not going to happen, simple solutions have been put forward, it’s not rocket science.

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:)

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lol, my bad :D

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The only rocket science we need is to stick rockets up the TORIES **** and send them all into space.;)

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"Tories".

Plural, not possessive. ;)

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it not just a remainer issue it one of biggest issues with brexit and no one brextremist as come up with a answer

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Ireland is a genuinely big issue.

The first two solutions below have been viewed as unlikely leaving the fall-back option c).
The problem with option c) is that it either commits the whole of the UK to a customs union which Theresa May has ruled out or it commits to a customs union for NI only and a hard border between NI and GB. Theresa May has ruled this out as well.

a) Rich free trade agreement which would remove the Irish border issue will take years to negotiate.
b) Technological solutions - described by the EU as magical thinking.
c) "the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 (Good Friday) Agreement".

Brextremists may argue that it is Ireland that erects a hard border, but if there's no customs union in Ireland that's mandated by their beloved WTO rules.

More info here https://news.sky.com/story/no-bluff-...waves-11270995

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Great comment in the FT from a reader on how the UK could have handled Brexit. Whatever you think about Brexit, this sounds like a winning approach.
https://www.ft.com/content/51397a80-...a-43db76e69936

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It means we leave the EU.

It means we leave the single market.

It means we leave the customs union.

The negotiations are about how we achieve those things, which is the detail the government is about to submit to the EU, to amend the dog's dinner the EU Commission have made in their document.

We are looking for a trade and services deal giving us tariff free access to EU markets, incorporating a customs agreement to achieve just that.

There will be no more free movement of people and we will be free of EU legislation.

That's about it. We've all heard this already, so I don't know why remainers are feigning this confusion.

Brexit means Brexit, and that's it.

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John Major also likes warm beer, which makes him a bit weird in my book.

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Tell yourself that if you like, Den, but you're just following the herd with this.

The government are putting their proposals to the EU this week. Leaving it until now to put these cards on the table is a deliberate negotiating tactic. Better to let the EU tell us how they see it first, so we can pull it to bits than have them pull ours to bits. Our negotiating team will show the problems with the EU stance and we will correct it and polish it with our proposals.

This was the correct way to do it. Had we put our document out first, they would have torn it to pieces without having any sensible proposals of their own. This year, you will start to see everything coming together and there will be egg on the faces of all those who said it couldn't be done.

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I can't speak for Theresa, but I would imagine that she hoped to reform the EU from within, but the public were not prepared to wait that long. Cameron's gambit to get that reform failed spectacularly, and that did it for me and I think for everyone who voted Leave.

Theresa is bowing to the will of the electorate, and surely that is why we expect referendum results to be honoured.

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The standard fall back of the brexiter. They dont seem to get it that everyone has a different interpretation of brexit.

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Yes, we all know you would have preferred the UK to go first. That's what the EU wanted too. Now we can see what is proposed by them, there will be political pressure to sort out the NI/ Ireland situation, and ooh, look! The UK has a solution. The EU will then grasp that to avoid more problems in Northern Ireland.

Our government is well aware of EU tactics and has waited until they can see the whites of the EU's eyes.

Well done, Theresa!

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It's called tactics, Den.

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So that's your answer, is it, Richard?

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So the Tories don't possess an ****?

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There is an answer, as you will see shortly. It's already been hinted at, but obviously the government is going to have to spell this out to some people one syllable at a time for it to sink in.

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He used the plural 'them'

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Exactly, it's like some slogan from North Korea or Venezuela which people repeat without understanding that it has no meaning but fills a vacuum when they don't have an answer.

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l don't follow any herd as l never have and never will so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

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The Government's job is to spell it out. There's no current technological solution at the moment in case that's what in your pipe at the moment. ;)

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i'm sure he meant Flock baa baa baa .

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The remainers have caused this confusion. Should we half leave, one-third leave, tinker around the edges?

No. We voted to leave, and leave we will. No single market, no customs union. No EU.

Still confused?

Brexit means Brexit. Simples.

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l would call it not having a clue OB so get off your servile obsequious political horse for once and look at things with some balance and rationality and less fawning to the incumbent government for once.

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I may prefer those Tories rather than those Tories... Plural and correct.

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:D:D

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Listen to yourself! I suppose you like Corbyn's latest proposal, then? Leave the EU but stay in the Customs Union? A sure fire recipe for the UK shooting itself in the foot!

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What is comrade Corbyn got to do with it as the Conservatives are the sitting government of the day so its up to them to come up with a decent plan of action and thus so far they could not organise a piss up in a brewery and we are 20 months on from the referendum.

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Glad to hear that, Den, because that herd is a bunch of lemmings, and the cliff edge is not what they originally had in mind! :D

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I've already answered that, and the plan is being put to the EU this week.

If the alternative is Corbyn's half baked plan, which would put us in a worse position than now, Corbyn is a relevant issue to raise at this point.

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His have-your-cake-and-eat-it proposal is pretty identical to yours, but full credit to you both for having at least come up with a proposal.

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The only people that care about staying in the EU are businesses they care about how much profit they can make for very little pay out so their bank balance looks good when the tops dogs are booking their Disney Land holidays and buying 500k+ houses.

While they can rip off the little people that work under them like philip green and Mike Ashley. When we leave EU control these eyes will be all over little scrotes like these.

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Why don't you tell us what it is you don't understand?

We. Are. Leaving. The. EU.

It's what the majority of people voted for.

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Everyone knows that. Den is rightly critical of the way that the UK government is conducting its negotiations. I know many Brexiters who believe this too.

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What makes you think that leaving the EU will make any difference? I call this clutching at straws.

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Because they are trying to please the rest of the moaning crowd who have tried to derail the whole process. Brexit is in the mess it is because of this and it's about time we stuck 2 fingers up to those who oppose this and trying to hold the country to ransom

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I don't, we've already seen companies using Brexit as an excuse for prices rises despite anything actually happening yet. We might have had the likes of philip green doing bad business before brexit but I reckon things will change once we don't have to answer to the EU when it comes to law despite the UK governing it's on sets of laws we'll have more freedom and the bad companies that are shouting now will have probably left the UK. Leaves room for those that want to support the UK to setup their own company which will be fully run under UK law

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I am mega confused about this Northern Ireland thing. In December, the joint UK/EU report stated;

(https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...int_report.pdf paragraph 49)

Then the EU draft paper which is designed to formalise the agreement made in December says;

They seem to be saying more or less the same thing.

I think the government needs to set out what it means by 'regulatory alignment' to support an 'all Ireland economy'. I am looking forward to tomorrow when hopefully the Prime Minister will clarify this.

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The government is conducting negotiations in this way for a reason. The EU have finally put their paper forward, so we can see where they are coming from. This gives us the advantage, because we can hone in on those areas that are vague or unacceptable and put forward a better way.

A lot of people who argue that the negotiations are a mess would have wished us to put all our cards on the table from the beginning.

Take it from me, and I have a successful track record in difficult negotiations, but that really is not the way to negotiate. If the government had gone in that way, they would have suffered the same fate as Cameron did. He went in with all his cards on the table and they dismantled them one by one!

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The document to which you're referring is basically a summary of the first stage discussions in December in which the UK and the EU agreed there would be no hard border on the island of Ireland. To renege on this promise as BoJo seemed to suggest is not a good negotiating position.

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You're of course correct.

https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...at-it-bluster/

Some Brextremists in between dreaming of trade deals with Narnia, Atlantis and Jumanji may be licking their lips over a technological solution to the Irish border. None exists. Flip Chart Fairies again:

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And just ignore a Democratic result?

I think you are conveniently forgetting, a lot Labour heartlands are Brexiteers. You think they would vote for a party that would just ignore democracy like that?

I don’t think so, there will be riots and I would riot with them. When will you let it sink in, you cannot just hold a large democratic process and just ignore it?

Bottom line is, 3 and 4 are a stretch of your Remainer imagination, working on too much hope where there is none, as we are leaving.

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Um, 2) said we're leaving! That's honouring the decision.
People can change their minds in an election if they made a bad decision. Ukip taught us that when they voted out their previous leader after he left his wife for an alleged racist. How people will feel about the whole situation when the government is more honest about the trade-offs will be interesting. Particularly if the EU could offer free trade without freedom of movement.

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The democratic result wasn't overwhelming. The vast majority of the population shouldn't be ignored.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/03/2.jpg

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Sigh. People ineligible to vote, couldn’t be arsed to vote don’t count in a % total.

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Why are you surprised? Over 50% tend not to vote at General Elections either.

In any case, if you are a don't know, there is no point in voting, is there?

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It cannot also be classed as underwhelming, it was one of the largest democratic events in modern British History.

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All this talk about a vote in 2016 is all well and good but it doesn't solve the Irish problem. Any suggestions from people that don't involve magic or breaching WTO rules?

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I believe it was your buddy who brought up the 2016 vote and summat about it being underwhelming, which it wasn't. I have already commented on the NI issue, it's not rocket science nor a big issue that some of the Remainers want to make it be.

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not a big issue your having a laugh tell that to the tories and dup the EU and Ireland and Northern Ireland if it not rocket science come on then tell us the answer

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Come on then nothing. I couldn't give a toss what the EU think, we are leaving them, so why would I care what to tell those idiots?

What point of, I have already said what I wanted to say about NI, did you not understand ?

It's not an issue that some Remainers make it out to be.

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Can we have another general election as the tories got in and I didn't want them to win. NO because thats how democracy works.

The same goes for Brexit.

On another thing some idiot on facebook made me laugh by saying Toys 'R' Us and Maplin went under because of Brexit, what a crock.

They've been strucggling long before Brexit.

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As some try and understand the Irish situation, the USA looks less and less likely a candidate for a British trade deal despite our lobbying.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-steel-tariff/

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If the DUP withdraws its support then we will have another election.
Strange that Toys'R'Us in the Eurozone is still trading but is closing down in the UK. Hmm.

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The term desperation takes hold with some remainers, they want to selfishly believe failure is due to Brexit when it's not, just to prove their invalid points, that we needed to stay, when we do not.

Note that Toys 'R' Us in America is also suffering I believe.

5 Reasons they suffered.... And not one of them mentions the 'B' word...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43210854

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The DUP is not going to withdraw it's support, it's desperate wishful thinking, one of the major reasons, they don't want a Corbyn led Labour Party in power, he has to win more votes as well and they will not under Corbyn and his Antisemitic/Racist/Socialist/IRA supporting cohorts.

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Don't forget that May's speech referencing "citizens of the world and of nowhere” was seen intentionally or not to appeal to anti-semitic elements.
The DUP will only withdraw its support if there's a hard border between GB and NI. It's likely that the Government would fall before this stage making their withdrawal unnecessary.

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Again, wishful thinking on your part Andrew.

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Not wishful thinking, i'd rather have Theresa May in power but with her brextremists exiled to La La Land than JC in No. 10. But without a solution to Ireland and Gibraltar for that matter, the future of the Government is not looking good.

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How do you answer the Ireland dilemma? The easiest way that works is to remain as is or Bino. (Brexit in name only)
- Hard Brexit with our own trade deals means a hard border with Ireland... which all parties have said they won't have.
- Technological solutions don't exist.
- Having NI under EU rules means a hard border between GB and NI whcih is unacceptable, particularly to the DUP.

I appreciate that like many Brexiters, you may wish to put this question in the too-difficult pile or say the dog eat your homework. Theresa May doesn't have this option.

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Well we could 'give Ireland back to the Irish' as the Macca sang !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaO4XeHhwo8
(strangely not one of his hits, nice melody as you'd expect, but people just didn't like the lyrics !)

They've been nothing but trouble from either side of the divide. Theresa might lose her majority, but hey ho...

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in a quote from Andrrew "Donald Trump has risked a transatlantic trade war by revealing he will impose a 25 per cent tariff on all steel imports"

We could have done with a similar thing a few years ago, but our lot are too soft and unwilling to 'upset' people :rolleyes:

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Or maybe we realise we'd just get tariffs back, which would and start a global trade war which benefits nobody ? I'm sure the Donald did 'thinking' on this.

Mrs T has ensured we have no manufacturing industry left, so we've not much to put tariffs on.

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It would certainly hurt the UK if The Donald imposed steel tariffs on all steel imports to the US, but if that's what he is going to do it would affect us whether we are part of the EU or not.

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Yup. We also need to see if we're excluded from the tariff as it's not clear yet. Rumors are Trump's cabinet have advised him either not to impose tariffs or to exclude their closer trade partners but from what we've heard so far that advise hasn't been taken.

If we are included though I would say it's a warning of how difficult it's actually going to be to strike up a fair trade deal with a protectionist US government.

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The steel tariffs will cover the UK as well.
https://www.ft.com/content/d8c3812a-...a-4574d7dabfb6

I've read that most US steel imports are from neighbouring countries with Canada being the most likely impacted. Some European companies will benefit as they have mills in the US but if countries respond by blocking US imports in other areas such as drink then world GDP could suffer.

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May's about to make her speech defining what she envisions the future relationship will look like.

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If Theresa just mentions the five general principals again that won't cut the mustard. There's only so far that the can may be kicked down the road!
We're now twenty months down the line and the Government needs to define how it will square the no hard Irish border situation with striking its own trade deals.

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I'm surprised she hasn't asked for your advice.

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Pretty good so far. Finally saying we can't pick and choose and will lose some things, saying we'll look to stay in some EU agencies (i.e chemicals) and a close partnership in terms of trade.

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Seems to be acknowledging the Brexit trade-off; the harder the Brexit, the less trade with the EU there will be. Should hopefully be a wake-up call to some Brexiters.
Still intrigued about Ireland Gibraltar solutions.

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Great news in staying in medicines, chemicals and aviation agencies if this can go ahead.

The 'identical law' issue is intriguing - will the UK create the same laws as the EU? Not having a central judiciary body interpreting the laws will result in different case law.

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I’m sick of telling you, there is no hard or soft Brexit. So enough of the silly ‘wake up call’ bullshit.

I don’t need to ‘wake up’ for no one, because I was not dozing when I didn’t regret voting to leave. May said in the speech.. We are leaving the EU. Freedom of Movement ends. We are leaving the Customs Union and Single Market. Ticks all the boxes to me. But I say again, no such thing as a hard/soft Brexit. Leave won the democratic vote, not this half-in half out nonsense.

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Would it help if we just called 'Brexit' 'Brexit' and avoid hard and soft Brexit? The question now is what our relationship is with the EU down the line, not whether Brexit should go ahead or not.

So what would constitute Brexit? There are a number of scenarios and I would be interested at what point Brexit is no longer Brexit;

1 - zero trade with EU
2 - trade with EU under WTO
3 - Limited but not free trade agreement
4 - Limited free trade agreement for goods and membership of some organisations (EMA, ECA and EASA as the PM said today)
5 - Free trade including services and membership of EU organisations needed
6 - Customs union
7 - Customs union and single market (EEA membership)

None of these options are staying in the EU. None of these options ignore the question posed on the ballot form. All of these options are leaving the EU.

Where do you stand?

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I've not mentioned a hard or soft Brexit.

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I think Brexiteers are well aware of the position, Andrew, and do not share your fatalistic views on the subject.

Less trade for us is also less trade for the EU, remember. Common sense will prevail.

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Bullshit. You said ‘The harder the brexit’. That’s talking of a soft or hard brexit. :dunce:

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Not enjoying Theresa's hard facts Mick ?

Brexit ain't good to bring 'all things bright and beautiful', she's preparing the British public for that, if only for her own political survival.

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Did you miss my post saying the things she outlined, ticked all the right boxes for me...?

I know you like to skip and read stuff that only suits your narrative and spit out your own incorrect versions of what was said, but seriously... :rolleyes:

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As long as she's ticking your boxes, that's super. Meanwhile back in the real world ...

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To leave the European Union in it's entirety. We do not have to be tagged along with them, to do trade, paying rip off membership fees, one of the 10, who do while 18 others in the EU just tag along for a free ride..

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We will be back in the real world when we finally leave.

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Thanks for the reply. Based on my list;

and the fact that the Prime Minsters speech ticked the right boxes for you, would position 4 or 5 match your vision of a post Brexit Britains relationship with Europe?

My reading of her speech seemed to suggest an aim for some limited or more free trade agreement and either membership or alignment with EU regulatory bodies such as the EMA, ECA, etc

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Which one do you actually mean Mick? :confused:

In her speech today, Theresa May said she would apply for associate membership of the EU agencies regulating chemicals, medicines and aerospace, agreeing to abide by their rules and paying towards them. She also said that European court rulings "would continue to affect us"

Call me old-fashioned but that ain't leaving "the European Union in its entirety."

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I'll leave it to this reader's comment on the FT who sums it up better than me.
https://www.ft.com/content/547bf9a4-...a-43db76e69936
I note that one of your many wildly optimistic Brexit predictions has already come unstuck - there will be no passporting for financial services so banks in London will now be signing off on the relocation of some staff over the next few weeks.

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Just give the remainers a dummy might help a little with a bit of shut the **** up.

On another note perhaps if I don't get my win vote on the next general election I can take it to the courts like they did for brexit.

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I didn't say soft or hard Brexit, I said harder That's different from hard or soft.

And I'm not sure where the rule on this forum about no hard or soft Brexit came from. It's actually in common use so I don't think you should take it upon yourself to censor it. For eaxmple:

https://news.sky.com/story/may-tries...peech-11273274

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01...r-tariffs.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...soft-brexit-eu

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...arns-s55btfmvr

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Well, considering a General Election is legally binding, and the Referendum wasn’t, no...

The Court action was to ensure Parliament had a role in the Brexit process, not to challenge the outcome if the vote.

And if you can’t discuss the subject without being abusive, perhaps your arguments lack substance?

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really read a majority of the remain voters comments on here then before I get accused of lacking substance?

They did it because they knew a lot of parliament was remain they tried to destabilized the process which it has done. As it stands the process is in turmoil if we sink we know who to blame for it.

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This forum is not all about the Brexit voters thoughts Gavin as we are in a democracy where opposing views and opinions should be heard even if others disagree with them as many people on here have accepted Brexit but it does not mean they should accept and agree everything that comes after as even Theresa May realises there will have to be give and take and everybody will have to compromise here and there.

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Have any of them posted that you should shut the xxxx up?

Hold on, one of the prime reasons for leaving the EU was to gain Parliamentary primacy back - just because you don’t like the make-up of the MPs, didn’t mean it’s wrong. It would appear you want Parliament to decide only if they agree with you - unusual version of democracy...

btw, using words that invoke the site swear filter is against the T&Cs - please don’t repeat this action.

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I've been told to shut up or words to that effect a few times

e.g. https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1991

still, its had no effect ;)

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:banghead:

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There seems to be a distinct lack of recognition that Theresa seems to have united Brexiteers and Remainers with her speech.

The funny thing is that she hasn't said anything really that I didn't already appreciate! However, glad to see that the message is gradually sinking in.

Not sure about Andrew, though! :erm:

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Lol you are funny OB :D

She's not exactly got Lord Heseltineor John Major onside !
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8236186.html

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LOL, maybe she's united Brexiters and Remainers in La La Land but not in England and the rest of the UK! :D

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Ha ha! John Major knows that he will be dead before the impact of a Corbyn Government will affect him!

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l doubt it as many are living into their 90's now OB.;)

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Yes, but he’ll have Alzheimer’s by then and he’ll be away with the fairies.

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But it says as much in the Daily Telegraph! Why, even Soubry has sobered up!

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Why I am not surprised that a billionaire, offshore-owned pro-Brexit paper says that? :D A more unbiased and realistic read can be found here.
https://news.sky.com/story/pms-brexi...etail-11273880

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So you prefer to believe Murdoch and his boys? I thought you wanted rid of him!

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l doubt it as l suspect his brain will still be sharper then yours.:D

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Sky News is regulated by Ofcom unlike newspapers. Never said I wanted rid of him.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...MCNEWEML6619I2

Well so much for uniting everyone. :erm:

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A party riven by deep disunity with a weakened leader being led by others sadly...