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It is not a case of me 'feeling' that way.

When you attack the 'brexiteers', by calling them unpatriotic, it's a blinkered way and nonconstructive.

Not ALL your posts are, perhaps in my assertion above, saying most of your posts, was too harsh.

But it is a bit low, to attack those who voted opposite to you. You provided a link to an article but then you took it upon yourself to add a little negative dig, it was uncalled for and I and a few others it would seem to take exception to it.

Damien suggested you said it to spark a reaction, I would say that is provocative if this is true. Provoking other members, is a no no.

Over most of the social networks and what not, there has been a lot of aggressive bickering and trolling, a lot weighed in and aimed at people who voted to leave. People attacking them, calling them 'thick', or suggesting they have no idea what they have done. It is utter nonsense, I have NO regrets voting to leave that corrupted mess, led by unelected 'OLD Men', as Nigel Farage called them.

There are many reasons I voted to leave, the EU being corrupt, tops the list.

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I have no regrets either. Like you I voted from over 40 yrs of experience of Europe and it's political masters and policies.

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My original post was there to demonstrate that the term "unpatriotic" could be applied to either side. Some people got the point, others didn't. I wasn't trying to provoke anyone as that's genuinely not my style. Undoubtedly, my post could have been clearer.

Damien got the irony when he said:
I then clarified that it's daft to criticise anyone as unpatriotic:
I'm still not sure why I'm still being criticised for calling people unpatriotic when I've previously stated that was never my intention. But it may just be a simple matter that you didn't see my explanatory post. Anyway, time to get out into the sunshine. :)

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You are being criticised for saying it. If it wasn't your intention why say it? An explanatory post afterwards would be unnecessary if you put your POV over in self-explanatory terms to begin with.

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Ah yes, our pure as the driven snow,entirely uncorrupt political parties

wait, what ?

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You're a bit younger than my parents and they remember the pre-EU years, they said it was the best era for jobs, they said you could walk out of a job on Friday and walk in to another Monday, they said the problems started when we joined back in 1972 and they said it's been down hill from then on and the slope has got steeper, in recent years.

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Politicians all over the west are pretty poor quality wise atm but getting out of the EU leaves us with one sub par group rather then 27 and by leaving the EU as has already been said once we kick them out they can't hop over to brussels and get their snout in that trough. My vote had zero to do with the campaigns i honestly couldn't care less what was in either sides lousy attempt at a campaign but it was based on my personal view of the EU which was formed over many years.

As to the name calling that's continuing it really is pathetic but it's being carried out by a minority from both camps not the majority as i believe the majority genuinely want the best for the UK they just differed in how that would be achieved. Things right now look bad for the UK but give it a year things won't be looking so bad and for everyone i knew that voted leave it wasn't about the short term but the long term and there are a few surprises to come the day we officially leave the EU that will help.

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Hard Brexit 'to leave Brussels coughing up £13BILLION a year to trade with Britain'


British firms would face a lower bill of just £5.2billion – adding weight behind the argument that it’s in the EU’s best interest to dish out a favourable trade deal with the UK.

According to Civitas, all but five of the 27 EU states would face more tariffs on exports to the UK than British firms would pay to send their goods into the continent.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/724...sation-germany

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I think it's bordering on utter delusion if, in addition to getting all these excellent trade deals, they'll pay us £13 billion for the chance to do so.

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Perhaps they may do what has been suggested we do - find different markets without those tariffs for their goods and services...

Here is the actual article from Civitas.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/reports_ar...r-eu-uk-trade/

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its because were worth it oops:

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Microsoft Hikes U.K. Prices of Enterprise Products Amid Brexit

"...From Jan. 1, prices of on-premises enterprise software will be hiked 13 percent, while those of cloud services will increase 22 percent, all to realign with euro-based contracts, the company said in a blog post. Consumer software or cloud products won’t be affected, Microsoft said.

The slump of the pound since the Brexit vote has translated into a series of price hikes for consumers in the U.K. In the technology space, British consumers found out last month they’d pay as much as 16 percent more for the latest iPhone models compared to previous versions, a bigger inflation than for buyers in the U.S. or Germany.

The pound has fallen more than 16% against the dollar since the Brexit vote on June 23 and has been struggling this month amid discussions on what the divorce will mean for Britain’s access to Europe’s single market."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ts-amid-brexit

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Tariffs will penalise both the EU and UK but politicians are driven by politics not commerce. The EU won't want to encourage the break-up of the bloc by agreeing a uniquely favourable deal with the UK. And May doesn't look keen on accepting the principle of freedom of movement as this would antagonise her party. But's let hope that information like the tariffs calculations encourages a mutually beneficial deal.

More pressingly, exporters are increasing concerned about a key HMRC IT project.
https://www.ft.com/content/3876648e-...b-70e3cabccfae

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Brexit fear-mongers to be proved WRONG by economy growth, figures to show

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...d-quarter-2016

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But we haven't done Brexit yet...

And as has been pointed up numerous times, a large percentage of the FTSE 100 are making profits from overseas sales, which benefit from the weak pound.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...p-in-sterling/

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ITV cuts 120 jobs as Brexit uncertainty slows UK TV ad market

"ITV has announced plans to cut 120 jobs due to “political and economic uncertainty”, particularly concerns over the possible impact of Brexit.
UK broadcasters are facing the worst year for TV advertising since 2009, with total revenues set to decline by up to 2%."

https://www.theguardian.com/business...rtising-market

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I think that has more to do with the change in peoples viewing habits than Brexit ,it's been on the cards for a while .

can't wait to see what else is blamed on Brexit,getting silly now

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Sadly nothing seems to have been learned from the awful referendum campaign from both sides and still it goes on and on from both sides and would it not be nice for once for bloody politicians instead of putting their selfish political own interests first putting the country first for once but alas that's probably too much to expect from politicians from all sides to do as it would probably need a miracle for that to happen sadly.

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Of course you have no regrets, nothing has actually happened yet !!

Be interesting to see what happens IF it all goes horribly wrong, will you regret it then?

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Ah yes, because membership provided no benefits for workers at all whatsoever did it....

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Those workers benefits would have happened anyway.

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And if they did (of which there is no proof) then you have this...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6901146.html

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The thing is, TV advertising was actually growing until very recently. 2015 was a record year for TV advertising and the sixth successive year that it has risen. It grew some 7.4% in 2015 whilst the general advertising market grew 6.1%. Similar forecasts were made for 2016 and until recently, TV companies were on track.
I was surprised to learn this - I would have expected TV to be suffering from online advertising but online sites actually account for a significant amount of advertising on TV now!
https://www.thinkbox.tv/News-and-opi...for-first-time

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It is peculiar ,i would have expected tv advertising to be falling due to the ability of viewers to skip advertising but as you say it has been rising in recent years .

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Yes because the UK only had workers rights after joining the EU before that we worked em till they dropped oh wait no we did have workers rights and we had jobs as well. No politician in their right mind is going to get up and suggest much less put on a manifesto to eliminate paid holiday it's right up there with abolishing the national pension, i don't doubt a couple of rich loons within the tory party think like that but the chances of it being more then a lunatic fringe idea is zero.

People could be forgiven for thinking the UK was a third world country before joining the EU and the EU valiantly dragging us into first world status you'd never believe the UK was a success before the EU or that we managed to prosper without help from brussels. Delusion exists in equal measure on both sides and both sides also have their share of vocal rose tinted spec wearers. It's time for them to fade into the background and let the grown ups handle things.

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I'm still not convinced that we'll leave entirely, if at all.

My belief is that there are positive and negative arguments for staying and leaving.

Would anybody who voted to leave have their mind swayed if the main problems of unstoppable EU immigration, sovereignty and unaudited accounts were to be properly dealt with?

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no

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+1

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+1

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What are your reason/s?

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Theresa May’s hard line on immigration is what the public wants, poll shows

"The “hard Brexit” signalled by Theresa May may have spooked currency traders and heralded possible rising prices at the supermarket, but she has the backing of a majority of British people, according to a new poll. The results show that more than half of Britons think reducing immigration is more of a concern than keeping the benefits of single-market EU trade."

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/...ts-poll-shows/

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I'm not interested in the EU full stop until they stop the march towards a united europe and federal state and that isn't going to happen because too many politicians want that regardless of what the people say or want. The EU does not listen nor does it take the views of it's citizens into account on policy and that's why it's falling apart, more and more people across the EU are seeing the endgame and they don't want it. If the EU gave up it's federal dream and went back to being a purely trade alliance I'd be happy for us to remain but if that happened would i trust it no probably not as that federal dream seems hard coded in some politicians and will never fully die.

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Yes, I believe that not being able to control the quantity and quality of immigrants is the straw that broke the camel's back.

It wasn't too bad when people from countries similar to ours were coming over, but when the poorer countries joined it became a whole different ball game.

Afterwards the PC brigade tried to make out it was mainly about sovereignty, but most people I've spoken to think that uncontrolled immigration is the main problem.

The EU appear to be out of touch, arrogant, controlling and aloof.

I think that the UK leave vote has been a kick up the bottom that they needed and will encourage other countries to speak out about their concerns.

If the problems are resolved to our Governments satisfaction, I can see us staying in partly or fully, perhaps after another referendum to try to obtain the approval of the electorate first.

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Leaked recording shows what Theresa May really thinks about Brexit

"Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.
A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-about-brexit

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It's a bit of non-story this and it is no surprise that the Guardian, venomously anti-brexit, jumps on it.

The recording is from May, a month before the referendum, we already kind of knew she was not for brexit, she played a card, and toed along with the anti-brexit stance in her own way, she now however, has a duty to deliver on the referendum result, regardless of what her view was then compared to what it is now and deliver she will. Move along, nothing to see here.

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It's fairly obvious she wanted to have a future in politics regardless of the outcome and so acted with moderation so as not to alienate anyone. Fair enough. The only people getting hot and bothered about this are hardcore remainiacs for whom the EU is an article of faith.

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I keep hearing that our leave vote has made the EU realise they cannot continue as they have and they are more open to reform now but damned if i can see any evidence of this at all. There certainly hasn't been anything practical suggested or implemented just negative rhetoric towards the UK which is ironic as that's the very attitude that caused many here to vote leave and is contributing to anti EU feeling in other member states. Like most things controlled by fanatics they will only concede change is needed when the whole house is falling down around them when it will be too late.

As for the "leaked" may comments really isn't an issue and doesn't alter anything but I'm sure some of our media will try to make a huge thing of it because it suits their agenda not any interest of the country or it's people.

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Indian greenfield investment in UK plunges in 2016
"...Indian companies have announced greenfield investments of $172m from January through August of this year, compared with $917m in the same time period last year. Sixteen projects were unveiled in the first eight months of 2016 versus 29 in the same months in 2015. No investments larger than a modest $40m coming from India to the UK this year have been recorded by fDi Markets.
While it is reasonable to assume that uncertainty over Brexit and the eventual shape of any agreement between Brussels and Westminster could be causing Indian companies to proceed with caution regarding UK investments, it is too soon to know for sure...
Undoubtedly Indian companies, like potential investors everywhere, will be watching what kind of access the UK can retain to European markets. Of the foreign companies investing in the UK who cited a motive, more than 56 per cent specified Europe, or a particular part of Europe, as being the end-market for their investment, according to fDi Markets. Among emerging-market investors, the figure was 58 per cent, compared with 33 per cent who cited the domestic market as the primary driver."
https://www.ft.com/content/bf9c8d9a-...6-568a43813464

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Brexit will not cause UK trade 'disruption' - WTO boss
"The head of the World Trade Organisation has vowed to ensure Britain will not face a trade "vacuum or a disruption", however tough its exit from the European Union.

Roberto Azevedo said that he did not believe the Brexit vote was "anti-trade" and dismissed fears that Britain could suffer a sudden seizure of trade during or after its negotiations with the EU."
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-wil...-boss-10632803

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Also from the interview.

"The UK is a member of the WTO today, it will continue to be a member tomorrow. There will be no discontinuity in membership.

They have to renegotiate (their terms of membership) but that doesn't mean they are not members.

Trade will not stop, it will continue and members negotiate the legal basis under which that trade is going to happen. But it doesn't mean that we'll have a vacuum or a disruption."

That's part of Ignition's doom and gloom forecast put to bed.

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EU DICTATORSHIP? Court ruling could allow Brussels to IGNORE nations in future trade deals


If the court rules in favour of the bloc it sets a precedent Eurocrats would hold all the cards in future trade arrangements, potentially allowing them to ride roughshod over the desires of their constituents.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...Belgium-Canada

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he's probably hovering on the edge of doom waiting for some thing to report [i hope its got a graph ];)

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Classic headline vs. text here....

Our European Council member, our 'Eurocrat'? One Theresa May

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Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, eh? :D

However the reality isn't very much nicer than the Express' own claims, inaccurate as they are. We may snigger at the Walloons and point out how it exemplifies the drawbacks of 28 different nation states being unable to reach any trade deal with a third party until they all agree, but that, for better or worse, is how it is because the Belgian constitution says so. If the ECJ starts ruling that national constitutions are at odds with the EU treaties, then we really are on our way down the rabbit hole.

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https://www.ft.com/content/0a578347-...4-06ff4826fbe7

Good news for Sunderland.

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There seem to be many balanced articles in the press about Brexit but the headline writers choose an extreme headline that doesn't reflect the content. The FT, known for its impartiality as businessmen require hard facts and not opinions has been guilty of this too.

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Really pleased to read this. :)

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Linky

More good news though the growth was mostly in services. It seems that pre-Brexit, companies did a lot of extra trade which reflects in the small apparent contraction post-Brexit. It'll be interesting to see the next quarter once the pre / post dust has settled and worked it's way out of the data.

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Looks like the EU-Canada will go ahead.

"Europe’s stalled trade deal with Canada pulled back from the brink of collapse after regional leaders in Belgium who have refused to allow the country’s government to sign the pact reached a political agreement to support it."
https://www.ft.com/content/b99e162d-...4-07c4ba010a26

So good news to pro-EUers who can point to the EU's ability to free strike trade deals. It already has the most free trade deals of any other trading bloc or country so this is actually a strength of the EU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...ade_agreements

And good news for anti-EUers who can feel more confident that a deal can be struck with the EU.

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Shame on the Wallonians(sp!) for pulling back. The deal is one of those that in theory would allow companies to sue governments for legislation harmful to their business.

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they where probably bullied into it that's how the EU works

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Nissan to make new car models in UK as economy defies Brexit fears



Nissan will build the next Qashqai and X-Trail models at its Sunderland factory, safeguarding more than 7,000 jobs, in the first major investment decision in the car industry since the Brexit vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...els-in-britain

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seems the doom and gloom headlines are falling like dominoes ;)

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More of the doom and gloom will disappear in the coming years as things are looked at more objectively and practicality replaces knee jerkism, things are certainly more positive outside of the media.

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Nissan will also be upgrading their plant to become a "super plant" manufacturing 600,000 vehicles a year .

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Nope. The Wallonians are celebrating and say they were listened to.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...last-85zs3gzt7

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EU TRADE SHAMBLES: Belgium admits CETA may NOT go ahead despite eurocrats' crowing

The crumbling agreement will only be applied provisionally and will face a make-or-break challenge to its legality under EU law as part of a deal brokered with the tiny region of Wallonia.

The shock admission was buried deep in a statement released by the Belgian government today, in which ministers in Brussels revealed they are finally ready to ratify the signing of the agreement.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...of-Justice-ECJ

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UK’s creatives worry Brexit will stunt performance

"In a report detailing the concerns of film, TV, publishing, media companies and cultural institutions about Britain’s future outside the EU, the Creative Industries Federation said the sector was one of the “powerhouses” of the economy. Exports rose by 49 per cent between 2009 and 2014, it said, compared with 30 per cent for UK industries as a whole.

“Creative exports including books, film and television, from Adele to Harry Potter and Downton Abbey to Sherlock, are the UK’s calling card to the world,” the CIF said.

But its continued success was predicated on a delicate mix of factors including accessible export markets, a robust regulatory framework, the ability of highly specialised companies such as video games makers to recruit from overseas, and funding for research and regional development, much of which comes from the EU, the report said.

The federation made a plea for the government to engage with companies ahead of the triggering of Article 50 — the formal two-year exit procedure that Theresa May has said will begin by the end of March 2017."
https://www.ft.com/content/96dc9314-...4-8b8e77dd083a

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Proof Britain's booming after Brexit vote: Economy drives ahead after EU Referendum :woot:

Britain’s Gross Domestic Product defied the warnings of Project Fear to rise by 0.5 per cent in the three months after the historic decision to cut ties with Brussels, according to the Office for National Statistics.

The surge exceeds expectations of many City experts and contrasts starkly with predictions of recession from George Osborne and other supporters of the UK’s membership of the EU, including former prime minister David Cameron and Bank of England governor Mark Carney.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-EU-Referendum

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l hope they are paying you your daily commission rate PS.:)

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love of one's country is free of charge ,i don't mind being a positive patriotic Brit .
unlike some who troll the net looking for negativity .

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One can have a love of ones country whether they are a Brexiteer or not IMO.:)

One also should not blindly follow either ;) as questions rightly should be asked and hopefully the right answers are given and not just believed just because certain media outlet's says so.:)

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Or growth cut by a third depending on how you define the water in the cup ;)

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Post #2244 and link. Look deeper into the figures. ;)

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£13.50 a week subscription, no chance but thanks :)

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Funny, I got to the page directly from a Google search and was able to look at all the underlying data and trends and go to other linked pages but the link shows a paywall:confused: Can't be a very good one though. :D

Anyway even 0.5% growth is far better than project fear's 1% contraction.

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Yes and it wasn't just the numbers was it, it was the deliberate, calculated use of the most alarmist rhetoric like:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36534192

Anyway, the future of Brexit's looking even more on the up as May unveils her secret weapon to get the job done:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37797127

Odd how now he's out of office he's keen that the voices of those on the losing side 'must not be ignored'. I don't recall that being his policy during his tenure at no 10 especially when he backtracked on his referendum promise. In fact he didn't even listen to the people who did vote for him most if the time.

It says great deal about Blair's mindset and grossly inflated ego that he still believes ordinary people will still listen to what he has to say on matters such as this.

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Seeing as project fears predictions are unravelling faster than a ball of wool in a kittens claws another referendum would have a much bigger majority for Brexit IMHO.

I turned the radio off this morning because that liar has nothing worth contributing. He should be in jail, not being indulged by the anti-Brexit BBC.

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We'll see what happens to the economy but up until September anyway we were in a holding pattern. At the moment we're still in the EU, we can still trade easily across Europe. Pretending Brexit has already happened and it's now fine is delusional. We'll see the real impact once we know what is actually going to happen to various industries.

As for what people think now then let's wait and see what people think when the drop in sterling filters though to prices. Inflation is already rising. Sterling is down 20% now. That's a massive hit to anyone who imports as part of their business and for consumer goods.

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It's also a massive boost to anyone who exports, or manufactures for uk consumption against competition from cheap imports.

Currency devaluation is never a one-sided equation, especially not when the value of the currency has been too high for too long.

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The key thing of concern about weak Sterling is that we import a lot of things - 50% of our food is imported and lots of our energy. So, there will be winners in areas like tourism but the fuel and food costs will squeeze many too. Of course, if investors feel that they will start to invest in the UK again in the wake of Nissan's decision then Sterling may rise and those price rises won't happen.

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Yes and Nissan are going to be increasing jobs (although the latter probably means we're staying in the Customs Union). It's not all bad news by a long shot. Just think it's premature to say we've avoided Brexit-related impact before we've even left.

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Indeed ... Brexit hasn't happened yet. However the referendum *has* happened, and it is fair and reasonable to compare actual economic data with that which was forecast for the post-referendum period.

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First legal challenge against Brexit rejected in Northern Ireland.

http://news.sky.com/story/northern-i...rexit-10635171

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I think it's fair to say the data is mixed. GDP has encouragingly grown but the pound has plummetted and inflation hs inched up. Nissan has encouragingly reinvested in the UK but only after written assurances were received that it would not be disadvantaged by Brexit. Reported hate crimes have risen but this has not deterred immigration. So, a mixed bag so far.

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There are many things which affect currency values not least uncertainty. We are by no means out of the woods yet but the head of the WTO stating we still are members and will remain so will help.

Being a realist I see turmoil ahead until the time we actually leave so I'm looking at 2 yrs. After that I firmly believe this country will prosper far more than if it stayed in the EU with or without free movement.

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People can think what they want but I certainly don't think it's all over one way or the other and that includes all the problems facing the Eurozone which a whole lot of people seem to be overlooking right now. Prices will rise and fall with the value of the currency (amongst other things) and that will vary according to a whole range of factors, short term uncertainty being one. The Euro is going to come under huge pressure sooner or later as things over there start to unravel (Italian banking crisis, Greece etc etc etc) and at that point Sterling will look a better bet, the current arguments will be reversed and the same people will no doubt be panicking about that too. We can't hope to run our economy properly over the long term if people are going to panic and demand change every time something like this happens. We've suffered far worse inflation in the past and for anyone who lived through that, this is nothing. Tough times may lie ahead but the only other option open to us is even more uncertain IMHO so let's not give the impression that staying in the EU was in some way a risk free panacea.

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I knew this thread was missing something. Can anyone find a doom-laden graph to spoil the party please? No, really, don't bother :sleep:

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i know what you mean [financial times my bottom ;)]

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can they what

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You can't just do that. Endless diatribe must accompany the piccy :dozey: For example:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum and that is why Brexit will fail just like I told you so.
:D

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you might as well be speaking Latin :bsmack:

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Nicely summed up Papa. Every picture tells a story.

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I can't wait the the morning we a free of EU red tape.

Then those criminals, rapists & murderers that the EU said we can't kick out, we can deport.

Then there are the people we want to go to prison and only leave in a box we can do so.

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All those people can and should be deported. Some have argued that the European Arrest Warrant makes it easier. It certainly has helped secure the arrest of criminals from the UK who have fled to Spain.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-...ign-criminals/

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I don't mean to rain on your parade, but those rulings extend from our membership of the Council of Europe and its associated human rights obligations, not the EU.

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One of my bosses said the same to me, we nearly fell out discussing it, still it's good to know everyone was clear on what they were voting for

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What gets me is people like Jamie Oliver said that if we voted for Brexit they would leave the UK, but they are still here.

I guess they are wait for the 2nd referendum.

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There won't be a second referendum.

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If I'd been an undecided jamie oliver saying he'd leave if leave won the referendum would have swung me to vote leave he's such a smug git the chance to get shot of him would be an opportunity not to be missed. So many predicting collapse and economic armageddon and now it's not happening in either the time or scale they have gone quiet, I'm sure we will hear from them again with some new predictions though.

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What he actually said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...PM-Brexit.html

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Boris? He ought to thank the lucky stars he's not American then. :rofl: I wonder what European leader he would prefer and why? Whatever, somehow I doubt he'd be done or out for very long. He loves Italy but look at the state of their politics - they elected Berlusconi FGS!

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Maybe he's waiting till we actually leave to leave

Oh no, he never actually said it, that'd explain why he's still here

I realise we're not keen on experts or facts anymore but most of the predictions I've seen from people that know what they're on about are accurate, I'm interested to see how we protect our service industries as apparently they're the hardest thing to sort out in a trade deal, tariffs or actual goods aren't the issue based on what I've heard. Another was that we won't notice the banks go, when departments close here their replacement will open up abroad and that the top companies share prices will increase due to them making large profits abroad and converting the currency into weak pounds thereby making even more. Just a few snippets an ignoramus like myself has picked up over the last couple of months that seem to be coming true.

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Boris for PM if only to get rid of that snivelling trumped up chef!

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No no no even if it means we've got to put up with jamie oliver boris must never ever be more then he is, thankfully i think most people have all now wised up to boris and his personal ambition being all that matter's to him.

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I know what Boris is but if it means getting rid of the other I'll take Boris anytime! Jamie Oliver is a **** (can't mention that word on this forum nor would I wish to).

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Really? Seriously really? Can't you just switch him of, actually it wouldn't matter if he leaves as he can still make programmes that can be shown here or pen articles or give interviews, would better terms be in order before any boris/oliver pact is agreed, perhaps it can form part of the Brexit negotiations or perhaps we can take all the jungle refugees in exchange for one or preferably both of them.

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No, I just have a sense of humour. It may not be the same as yours though.

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Shame, no thoughts on jungle exchange :(

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Good grief now that would be a unmitigated disaster that befalls us all.;)

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UK seeking tariff-free EU deal for carmakers says Business secretary Greg Clark.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...xit-sunderland

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There's an interesting comment made after that article:
"There were only 3 options that could have swayed Nissan's management.
1. The government told them they had no plans to invoke Article 50
2. The government told them that they are going to negotiate a deal to have full access to the single Market.
3. The government told them that they would subsidise Nissan's Brexit costs.

1 was unlikely, 3 would have cost the UK too much, would probably have breached WTO rules and would have opened the floodgates to all the other manufacturers in the same position.

So we now end up with 2. the only affordable option but the one which is truly ludicrous if you are a Brexit supporter. So we negotiate a trade deal with the EU that keeps us in the Single Market and the Customs Union. How hilarious, any immigration controls will be a gloss on the existing arrangements, we will pay for access and we no longer have any say whatsoever in the regulations UK businesses have to comply with to sell into the EU."

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Why do we have to be in the single market to get a trade deal ? Nissan have indicated that they are happy with whatever deal the government are going to go for and must be confident that the government will get it because not only have they announced the continuing production but an extra production line for a new model and on top of that they are extending the plant to build engines .The vast majority of Nissans production is exported to Europe and Nissan knows that Europe do not want to lose that trade .

Really think it's time people started to think beyond single market membership it is not an option and doesn't need to be an option

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I don't really understand the logic of Nissan being given assurances but Parliament not being given the same. Parliament should at least know what Nissan have been told. Although I am glad Nissan have been given assurances.

It's the customs union which we would stay part of or 'parts of it'.

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Has it got anything to do with Parliament? I would imagine the government already know what direction to take to keep the likes of Nissan and Toyota on side .Parliament would only need to get involved when the government don't have the authority to make a unilateral decision

It was 1andrew1 that mentioned the single market ;)