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denphone 25-06-2013 19:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35588466)
Mmm it's very hard to see what virgins future strategy could be, somewhere down the line they could be as relevant as talk talk.
Somehow l don't think many share the same view.:nono::nono:

Mad Max 25-06-2013 19:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35588427)
Virgin do seem to be falling behind badly as a tv provider. But then many of us saw that one coming

Can't really agree with that tbh, there's not a lot of channels that Sky have that for me personally i'd be desperate to have, i would admit to wanting Atlantic and the other sports channels in HD but nothing else, plus the TiVo is a much better piece of kit than the Sky box.

Mr Banana 25-06-2013 19:29
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Lot of doom merchants about at the moment. I am sure LGI will be working on their plans. They have only been running the show for 2 weeks, reckon they will have a game plan in another month or so.

telegramsam 25-06-2013 19:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35588473)
Can't really agree with that tbh, there's not a lot of channels that Sky have that for me personally i'd be desperate to have, i would admit to wanting Atlantic and the other sports channels in HD but nothing else, plus the TiVo is a much better piece of kit than the Sky box.
Wasn't just thinking of sky,YouView with their catch up service and BT Sports are starting to make Virgin less attractive. But going back to Sky their catch up service is much better than Virgins now and also not sure what Tivo can offer me that I'd want(record 3channels at once perhaps?).

denphone 25-06-2013 19:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35588478)
Lot of doom merchants about at the moment. I am sure LGI will be working on their plans. They have only been running the show for 2 weeks, reckon they will have a game plan in another month or so.
Yes those pesky little minions seem to be coming out in force lately with the many rose tinted glasses given to them by their master.;):D

Mad Max 25-06-2013 19:57
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Quote:
But going back to Sky their catch up service is much better than Virgins
Is it?? I don't have Sky but do you have Virgin also? that's surely the only way to compare!

telegramsam 25-06-2013 20:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35588486)
Is it?? I don't have Sky but do you have Virgin also? that's surely the only way to compare!
I used to have Virgin but my sister has a Tivo box and I dont see it being better

passingbat 25-06-2013 20:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35588427)
Virgin do seem to be falling behind badly as a tv provider. But then many of us saw that one coming
How do you justify that statement?

I can think of only one current major channel who's content isn't available to VM viewers; Sky Atlantic.


Edit: Just realised how you justify it; You're a Sky user and want to run down VM and tried to do so without checking the facts.

denphone 25-06-2013 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35588494)
How do you justify that statement?

I can think of only one current major channel who's content isn't available to VM viewers; Sky Atlantic.
Indeed and it could be sooner rather then later when that arrives.

Dave42 25-06-2013 20:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35588498)
Indeed and it could be sooner rather then later when that arrives.
don't hold your breathe Den mate sky will not change there withholding policy

Mad Max 25-06-2013 20:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35588493)
I used to have Virgin but my sister has a Tivo box and I dont see it being better

Well thats just your opinion, but i take the opinions of some of the comments i've seen, not just on here, but by what i've read online from people who are in the industry, and from what i can tell, most of them were much more in favour of the TiVo v Sky box!

telegramsam 25-06-2013 20:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35588500)
Well thats just your opinion, but i take the opinions of some of the comments i've seen, not just on here, but by what i've read online from people who are in the industry, and from what i can tell, most of them were much more in favour of the TiVo v Sky box!
As you say thats my opinion. I was actually comparing both services as a whole :dozey:not just boxes. I left virgin because sky were offering what I wanted at a cheaper price. Id love to return to virgin but will only do so when they get all the channels and in hd that I want at at least the same price as sky. As I previously said the only thing Id like on my sky box that is on the Tivo box is the ability to record 3 channels at the same time.

colin25 25-06-2013 20:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35588507)
As you say thats my opinion. I was actually comparing both services as a whole :dozey:not just boxes. I left virgin because sky were offering what I wanted at a cheaper price. Id love to return to virgin but will only do so when they get all the channels and in hd that I want at at least the same price as sky. As I previously said the only thing Id like on my sky box that is on the Tivo box is the ability to record 3 channels at the same time.
Doesn't on demand make that moot?

Lots of shows can be watched there. i know, as i have had to do it recently. Quite a selection

Chad 25-06-2013 21:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35588341)
Setanta Sports Ireland has singed a deal to carry all of the BT sport channels in the Republic of Ireland (ROI)

http://www.digitaltveurope.net/70512...rt-to-ireland/
Seems like a really good sports package:

http://www.setanta.com/ie/gamechanger

Setanta Ireland, BT Sports 1, BT Sports 2, ESPN and Premier Sports.

telegramsam 25-06-2013 21:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35588514)
Doesn't on demand make that moot?

Lots of shows can be watched there. i know, as i have had to do it recently. Quite a selection
True true

passingbat 25-06-2013 22:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35588514)
Doesn't on demand make that moot?

Lots of shows can be watched there. i know, as i have had to do it recently. Quite a selection
Only a minority of On Demand is HD though.

muppetman11 25-06-2013 23:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35588550)
Only a minority of On Demand is HD though.
Depends on what you watch really , for my tv watching I'd actually say the majority is available through catchup in HD.

colin25 26-06-2013 05:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35588564)
Depends on what you watch really , for my tv watching I'd actually say the majority is available through catchup in HD.
I used to record all my shows in standard, because i used plus 1 and also wanted to save space on box. (bigger hard drive now, less of an issue on space, actually no issue)

I don't mind standard for entertainment (sport is only where I need it, or prefer it).

So catch up serves me well. And might use it more

tvtimes 26-06-2013 11:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35588427)
Virgin do seem to be falling behind badly as a tv provider. But then many of us saw that one coming
Virgin used to have two USP's, Fibre broadband and their ondemand library. They now have neither as a USP and are actually being beaten in both areas.
The future looks grim for Virgin Imo unless they do something soon!

Chad 26-06-2013 12:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tvtimes (Post 35588654)
Virgin used to have two USP's, Fibre broadband and their ondemand library. They now have neither as a USP and are actually being beaten in both areas.
The future looks grim for Virgin Imo unless they do something soon!
I think that being able to access on demand, and catch up TV, without the need of a broadband connection is a very good USP.

tvtimes 26-06-2013 12:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35588664)
I think that being able to access on demand, and catch up TV, without the need of a broadband connection is a very good USP.
It does require a broadband connection, how do you think the service is delivered? It has an upstream and downstream service to make the ondemand useable and the tv is delivered IPTV.

Chad 26-06-2013 12:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tvtimes (Post 35588666)
It does require a broadband connection, how do you think the service is delivered? It has an upstream and downstream service to make the ondemand useable and the tv is delivered IPTV.
To clarify what I mean you don't need a seperate broadband subscription to access on demand or catch up on Virgin Media. People without the internet at home can still watch catch up and on demand from Virgin.

Dave42 26-06-2013 12:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35588664)
I think that being able to access on demand, and catch up TV, without the need of a broadband connection is a very good USP.
so is having fastest broadband another VM USP

Chad 26-06-2013 12:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35588669)
so is having fastest broadband another VM USP
Other USP's include:

The largest collection of free HD channels
Best PVR
Largest TV anywhere / on the go TV channel selection

WillPS 26-06-2013 13:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35588672)
free HD channels
There are no free HD channels (except possibly BBC One and Two HD?). In fact, as far as I'm aware, Virgin Media offer less for free than any other operator.

passingbat 26-06-2013 15:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillPS (Post 35588696)
There are no free HD channels (except possibly BBC One and Two HD?). In fact, as far as I'm aware, Virgin Media offer less for free than any other operator.

Oh dear; we've been here a few times. Bring on the definitions of 'free HD' ;)

eljay 26-06-2013 15:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillPS (Post 35588696)
There are no free HD channels (except possibly BBC One and Two HD?). In fact, as far as I'm aware, Virgin Media offer less for free than any other operator.
"All our Virgin TV packages include HD channels as standard. Both TV M+ and TV L boast six HD channels, while TV XL gives you a whopping 32 HD channels. These include Sky TV favourites in HD, like Sky 1, Sky LIVING and Sky Arts."

Gavin-D 26-06-2013 15:46
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BT still leads pay-TV complaints

BT Vision continues to pick up the highest number of complaints of any UK pay-TV service. According to data released by Ofcom, in the period January to March 2013, the regulator received 0.29 complaints per 1,000 customers. Complaints about the IPTV service remain at six times the industry average.

Complaints were driven by a combination of problems with service provision and billing issues.

Virgin Media’s complaints were in line with the industry average at 0.04 per 1,000 customers

While Sky had the lowest number of complaints – 0.02 per 1,000 customers.

http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2013/...tv-complaints/

http://media.ofcom.org.uk/2013/06/26...es-revealed-2/

---------- Post added at 15:46 ---------- Previous post was at 15:23 ----------

BT are now running TV ads stating virgin media customers will lose ESPN from August and the only place to watch it is with BT or sky (the ad didn't say that but we know its on sky)

colin25 26-06-2013 15:48
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If i wasn't wanting to try BT broadband, and getting BT sport free, I suspect I wouldn't have bothered with the channel

1 year from now, I will need to consider options, unless it continues as free.

Jameseh 26-06-2013 15:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eljay (Post 35588722)
"All our Virgin TV packages include HD channels as standard. Both TV M+ and TV L boast six HD channels, while TV XL gives you a whopping 32 HD channels. These include Sky TV favourites in HD, like Sky 1, Sky LIVING and Sky Arts."
FSFS has 5 HD channels (same as TV M)
E & EE have 8 HD channels (2 more than M+ & L)
EE+ has at least 44 HD channels included 'free'.

So 3 tuners and more channels on TV Anytime are the only TV benefits of Virgin.

neilo 26-06-2013 16:46
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Sky sports collections going up by £3.25 or £3.75 (can't remember which!) from 1st Oct. Movies collection price staying the same. Sorry if this is old news but I just heard it.

Jameseh 26-06-2013 16:47
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Sky Sports (in SD) is now more expensive than TV XL or Sky's EE+. Pathetic.

Dave42 26-06-2013 17:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35588788)
Sky Sports (in SD) is now more expensive than TV XL or Sky's EE+. Pathetic.

no surprise when they paid over £2BN for the football was a certainty that prices would go up

Arthurgray50@blu 26-06-2013 17:54
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I think that l will seriously have to swtich on Sky, asd l can see VM muck there customers about again.

I can never understand why there is so much of a delay from VM when other broadcastors are advertising it.

cdf90 26-06-2013 18:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neilo (Post 35588787)
Sky sports collections going up by £3.25 or £3.75 (can't remember which!) from 1st Oct. Movies collection price staying the same. Sorry if this is old news but I just heard it.
So that's now £29 or £29.50 per month (if the figures are correct), compared to Sky's price (assuming a maximum 10% increase) of ~£23. Where does the extra £6 come from? As a subscriber to the SS collection, that will certainly make me think about changing to Sky, and I'm sure others may feel the same.

paultrademark 26-06-2013 18:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35588807)
I can never understand why there is so much of a delay from VM when other broadcastors are advertising it.
The only broadcaster advertising it is BT, as they are the only ones providing it so far..

denphone 26-06-2013 18:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tvtimes (Post 35588654)
Virgin used to have two USP's, Fibre broadband and their ondemand library. They now have neither as a USP and are actually being beaten in both areas.
The future looks grim for Virgin Imo unless they do something soon!
Really you do seem to have it in for Virgin methinks.

Mr Banana 26-06-2013 19:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tvtimes (Post 35588654)
Virgin used to have two USP's, Fibre broadband and their ondemand library. They now have neither as a USP and are actually being beaten in both areas.
The future looks grim for Virgin Imo unless they do something soon!
Do you think someone would pay 24 billion dollars for something and not do anything with it?

denphone 26-06-2013 20:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35588885)
Do you think someone would pay 24 billion dollars for something and not do anything with it?
Exactly but some seem to have a clear lets attack Virgin agenda just for the sake of it.

Chad 26-06-2013 20:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35588885)
Do you think someone would pay 24 billion dollars for something and not do anything with it?
I suppose until Liberty Global come out and clearly outline their intent, who knows what they are going to do.

colin25 26-06-2013 20:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35588898)
Exactly but some seem to have a clear lets attack Virgin agenda just for the sake of it.
Hmm..I see that often against sky..so puzzled why it is any different for Virgin

different folks..different stroking

Chad 26-06-2013 20:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35588912)
different folks..different stroking:erm:

Media Boy UK 26-06-2013 20:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35588908)
I suppose until Liberty Global come out and clearly outline their intent, who knows what they are going to do.
:clap::clap::clap:

Arthurgray50@blu 26-06-2013 21:29
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If VM are putting the price again, then its a rip off for Sky Sports

Dave42 26-06-2013 22:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35588929)
If VM are putting the price again, then its a rip off for Sky Sports
you do know it sky that set the price for sky sports right Arthur

harry_hitch 26-06-2013 22:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35588929)
If VM are putting the price again, then its a rip off for Sky Sports
It's always been a rip-off for Sky Sports Arthur. VM are putting the prices up because Sky have told VM they have to put the prices up. VM are not a charity and will, quite rightly, pass the cost onto those who can afford to, and are willing to continue to pay for it. Vote with your wallet and cancel it:)

Sorry Dave, was writing when you posted

neilo 26-06-2013 22:46
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I found out the price by dialling 150 and subscribing to Sky Sports via the automated route and that's where it warns you about the price rise from October. Once again, only 1 ******* box has been upgraded though. I'm sorry about the starred out expletive but they always do that! It just makes I want to scream!

Anyway, with HD, it's gonna be either £36 or £36.50 which is a lot of money plus the £12 that we might have to pay for BT Sports. Not good.

GrimUpNorth 27-06-2013 08:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neilo (Post 35588971)
Anyway, with HD, it's gonna be either £36 or £36.50 which is a lot of money plus the £12 that we might have to pay for BT Sports. Not good.
As long as people are willing to pay the ever increasing prices nothing will change. Not until the channel owners start losing money hand over fist will they look at the business model. The only way to keep prices reasonable in the long term is a concerted en-mass cancellation of your subscription. Trust me, I did it a number of years ago and it was way easier than giving up smoking (which I've still failed to do!!)

Cheers

Grim

eljay 27-06-2013 08:29
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Still a hell of a lot cheaper than actually attending a single match.

telegramsam 27-06-2013 09:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eljay (Post 35589047)
Still a hell of a lot cheaper than actually attending a single match.
My thoughts exactly!

nstokes 27-06-2013 11:11
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On opening day of EPL Sky Sports 1 will be FREE to every home in UK. Sky Sports 1 will be free and all content will also be shown on Pick TV. This has just been announced on Sky Sports News

muppetman11 27-06-2013 11:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35589095)
On opening day of EPL Sky Sports 1 will be FREE to every home in UK. Sky Sports 1 will be free and all content will also be shown on Pick TV. This has just been announced on Sky Sports News
Here's the link

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...free-first-day

Media Boy UK 27-06-2013 11:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35589095)
On opening day of EPL Sky Sports 1 will be FREE to every home in UK. Sky Sports 1 will be free and all content will also be shown on Pick TV. This has just been announced on Sky Sports News
Virgin Media viewers will see it on Sky2.

Gavin-D 27-06-2013 14:06
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BT Vision pay-TV viewers could lose Sky Sports after broadband switch

Thousands of BT Vision pay-TV customers face losing their Sky Sports channels from this weekend, as the telecoms company gears up to launch its own sports services ahead of the new Premier League football season. The move, part of the ongoing battle between BSkyB and BT prompted by the telecoms company's aggressive move into TV sports rights, provoked outrage from BT customers on its website community forums. BT is to make its two new BT Sport channels, which will air programming including live Premier League football and Premiership rugby, available to BT Vision customers on digital terrestrial television.

In doing so the channels it currently runs in the DTT slots – Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 – will now only be available to BT Vision TV customers who live in an area that has its top-level Infinity broadband service, if they agree to sign up to it. BT Vision has 810,000 pay-TV subscribers, with analysts estimating that up to 30,000 also pay for Sky Sports. It is estimated that perhaps half of those 30,000 do not have a contract for BT Infinity broadband and could be affected. "Launching a new sports channel and extra live TV channels has meant we have had to make some changes to the way we deliver different programming," said a spokeswoman for BT. "Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 will now be delivered over our Infinity fibre-based broadband."

BT has written to BT Vision customers who have Sky Sports and live in an area that is covered by its fast broadband service, telling them that they have to subscribe to it or they will not be able to watch after this weekend. "BT are using this as a sneaky way to get people to upgrade to Infinity, I think it will fail," said one disgruntled customer on a community forum on BT's website. Another said that they felt it was a "ruse" to get people to upgrade to Infinity: "BT will soon stop supplying Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 channels on BT Vision via your aerial if you live in an Infinity area. If you don't upgrade to Infinity they will cease your subscription to those channels."

A spokeswoman for BT Vision said that it is trying to minimise the number of customers affected. For those who have Sky Sports but do not live in an area covered by BT Infinity and want to keep watching it has developed a "new technology" to stream the channels over slower broadband. BT is offering such customers BT Sport for free to try and stop them defecting to Sky. The spokeswoman admitted that there is a "small number" of customers who will simply be cut off from receiving Sky Sports. "A minority of customers who do not have a fast enough copper broadband connection, will lose Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 this summer," she said. "We will be giving these customers free BT Sport as well as six months' free broadband."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...-tv-sky-sports

Dave42 27-06-2013 17:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35589178)
BT Vision pay-TV viewers could lose Sky Sports after broadband switch

Thousands of BT Vision pay-TV customers face losing their Sky Sports channels from this weekend, as the telecoms company gears up to launch its own sports services ahead of the new Premier League football season. The move, part of the ongoing battle between BSkyB and BT prompted by the telecoms company's aggressive move into TV sports rights, provoked outrage from BT customers on its website community forums. BT is to make its two new BT Sport channels, which will air programming including live Premier League football and Premiership rugby, available to BT Vision customers on digital terrestrial television.

In doing so the channels it currently runs in the DTT slots – Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 – will now only be available to BT Vision TV customers who live in an area that has its top-level Infinity broadband service, if they agree to sign up to it. BT Vision has 810,000 pay-TV subscribers, with analysts estimating that up to 30,000 also pay for Sky Sports. It is estimated that perhaps half of those 30,000 do not have a contract for BT Infinity broadband and could be affected. "Launching a new sports channel and extra live TV channels has meant we have had to make some changes to the way we deliver different programming," said a spokeswoman for BT. "Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 will now be delivered over our Infinity fibre-based broadband."

BT has written to BT Vision customers who have Sky Sports and live in an area that is covered by its fast broadband service, telling them that they have to subscribe to it or they will not be able to watch after this weekend. "BT are using this as a sneaky way to get people to upgrade to Infinity, I think it will fail," said one disgruntled customer on a community forum on BT's website. Another said that they felt it was a "ruse" to get people to upgrade to Infinity: "BT will soon stop supplying Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 channels on BT Vision via your aerial if you live in an Infinity area. If you don't upgrade to Infinity they will cease your subscription to those channels."

A spokeswoman for BT Vision said that it is trying to minimise the number of customers affected. For those who have Sky Sports but do not live in an area covered by BT Infinity and want to keep watching it has developed a "new technology" to stream the channels over slower broadband. BT is offering such customers BT Sport for free to try and stop them defecting to Sky. The spokeswoman admitted that there is a "small number" of customers who will simply be cut off from receiving Sky Sports. "A minority of customers who do not have a fast enough copper broadband connection, will lose Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 this summer," she said. "We will be giving these customers free BT Sport as well as six months' free broadband."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...-tv-sky-sports
shocking tactics by BT and it will fail IMO

coulsontom 27-06-2013 17:45
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My Grandparents been approached over the phone to take BT Infinity and get Sky Sports through it. It's not a good deal.

Sky tried making out that there's a "brand new" look to football next season.

It was exactly the same, apart from their Saturday game is now 5.30 (the worst slot for football).

and Carragher will join Neville on MNF, which will be a disaster.

colin25 27-06-2013 17:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35589262)
My Grandparents been approached over the phone to take BT Infinity and get Sky Sports through it. It's not a good deal.

Sky tried making out that there's a "brand new" look to football next season.

It was exactly the same, apart from their Saturday game is now 5.30 (the worst slot for football).

and Carragher will join Neville on MNF, which will be a disaster.
Please don't malign that liverpool great and Shakespearean legend that is Jamie

we can look forward to more great sayings like the following

"Whenever we play Chelsea, we always seem to get penalties that aren't given, but we don't cry too much about what happened."

Arthurgray50@blu 27-06-2013 18:19
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Media Boy, you say that VM will see SS1 on Sky2, what do you mean by that.

Jameseh 27-06-2013 18:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35589289)
Media Boy, you say that VM will see SS1 on Sky2, what do you mean by that.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...free-first-day

andy_m 27-06-2013 18:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35589262)
My Grandparents been approached over the phone to take BT Infinity and get Sky Sports through it. It's not a good deal.

Sky tried making out that there's a "brand new" look to football next season.

It was exactly the same, apart from their Saturday game is now 5.30 (the worst slot for football).

and Carragher will join Neville on MNF, which will be a disaster.
Why the worst slot for football? I've always hated the midday games, but with ESPN I've loved getting home from Palace in time to watch a Premier League game. I fully expect to be back in the Football League next season and I'm gutted that this will mean Saturday midday kick offs for TV. I do think that Sky showing a live 530 pm match followed by game of the day makes for a really decent Saturday night line up, though.

Carragher is awful, agreed.

OLD BOY 27-06-2013 19:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35588929)
If VM are putting the price again, then its a rip off for Sky Sports
If Sky charge Virgin more for carrying Sky Sports, you can't blame VM for putting the prices up. Cause and effect.

Dave42 27-06-2013 20:06
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don't know why anyone is surprised about sky raising the sky sports prices when they paid over 2 Billion for the football was no way prices was not going to go up

telegramsam 27-06-2013 20:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35589323)
If Sky charge Virgin more for carrying Sky Sports, you can't blame VM for putting the prices up. Cause and effect.
Agree,Sky sell the channels to Virgin,Virgin then decide how m
uch to charge their customers taking some profit themselves. So buying direct from Sky ie as a Sky customer will always be cheaper unless Virgin are prepared to sell them on the cheap(take a loss on them) which isn't likely,is it? Mind you didn't BT take a loss on providing BT Vision customers with Sky sports 1&2 a year or 2 back?

Harryn9000 27-06-2013 21:16
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alot of u will be suprised about carragher he will make a good pundit just like gnev

coulsontom 27-06-2013 22:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35589300)
Why the worst slot for football? I've always hated the midday games, but with ESPN I've loved getting home from Palace in time to watch a Premier League game. I fully expect to be back in the Football League next season and I'm gutted that this will mean Saturday midday kick offs for TV. I do think that Sky showing a live 530 pm match followed by game of the day makes for a really decent Saturday night line up, though.

Carragher is awful, agreed.
Saturday Night is an awful slot because:

- Most of TV viewers are watching Strictly/X Factor.
- Broadcasters know this slot is badly watched so Sky will put it's 3rd/4th pick of the weekend in it (SS1 & 2, MNF), unless there is European commitments in the following mid-week.
- People are usually out/men let their wives have the remote.

I agree 12.45pm is bad slot, but only logistically, that I don't get to see many. They can be good games. Che 3 - 5 Ars for eg. And derbies get this slot a lot due to police instructions.

moriath 27-06-2013 22:35
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i fit into non of the above ... and watch the 5:30 game... much better than that trash on x factor strictly come ice skating shows

harry_hitch 27-06-2013 22:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35589390)
Saturday Night is an awful slot because:

- Most of TV viewers are watching Strictly/X Factor.
- Broadcasters know this slot is badly watched so Sky will put it's 3rd/4th pick of the weekend in it (SS1 & 2, MNF), unless there is European commitments in the following mid-week.
- People are usually out/men let their wives have the remote.

I agree 12.45pm is bad slot, but only logistically, that I don't get to see many. They can be good games. Che 3 - 5 Ars for eg. And derbies get this slot a lot due to police instructions.
Gotta disagree, surely people can record strictly/X factor if they want to watch the football instead?!? personally don't see the point of either program, but there again I don't have kids and need to entertain them.
The people who don't want to watch the football will head off out yes, but even if they stayed in they would not watch the football anyway so it makes no difference to the football audience. Those who do want to watch it will surely watch it before going out for a few jars or out with the missus and/or watch the recording of Strictly/X-factor. When I was in the mood for football, I watched the odd match (with me mates) before heading out.
As for the missus having the control, there is often a balance struck between programmes. I.e. I would suffer through X-factor with the missus (after the match) as long as I can watch the footie, she can do what she wants when the footie is on etc.
I think Sky will put some decent matches on now due to better advertising revenue and it will give them the chance to keep footie fans watching SS1 for football first afterwards.
Also, how is the remote control argument different from the 12:45 match:confused:

bubblegun 27-06-2013 22:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neilo (Post 35588787)
Sky sports collections going up by £3.25 or £3.75 (can't remember which!) from 1st Oct. Movies collection price staying the same. Sorry if this is old news but I just heard it.
Wow, that's a big increase! They must've got a bad deal in the renegotiation's or else they are getting something extra that they don't have currently.

Sky isn't going up by this much for it's sports customers....:erm:

coulsontom 28-06-2013 00:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35589396)
Gotta disagree, surely people can record strictly/X factor if they want to watch the football instead?!? personally don't see the point of either program, but there again I don't have kids and need to entertain them.
The people who don't want to watch the football will head off out yes, but even if they stayed in they would not watch the football anyway so it makes no difference to the football audience. Those who do want to watch it will surely watch it before going out for a few jars or out with the missus and/or watch the recording of Strictly/X-factor. When I was in the mood for football, I watched the odd match (with me mates) before heading out.
As for the missus having the control, there is often a balance struck between programmes. I.e. I would suffer through X-factor with the missus (after the match) as long as I can watch the footie, she can do what she wants when the footie is on etc.
I think Sky will put some decent matches on now due to better advertising revenue and it will give them the chance to keep footie fans watching SS1 for football first afterwards.
Also, how is the remote control argument different from the 12:45 match:confused:
Of course, they can but they don't

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& Sky will still put their best 2 games on Super Sunday. The Saturday game will always be 3rd choice, or 4th if there's a MNF game on. Maybe even 4th when BT have 1st pick, maybe 5th choice on those occasions.

denphone 28-06-2013 07:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35589255)
shocking tactics by BT and it will fail IMO
Nothing surprises me with BT as many yonks ago we had them and it was simply shocking.:td:

Superblade7 28-06-2013 09:27
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I think this season the problem will now be to get all the best games you are going to need both Sky Sports and BT Sports. This will cost in the region of £35-£40+ per month depending on which platform you are on, whether you want HD, etc (unless of course you get BT Sports free via BT).

I can see many people this year saying enough is enough and possibly not bothering with one or both depending on how people's budgets are stretched in these current difficult financial times. You may then hopefully see some offers / reductions in the near future (we can but hope!).

denphone 28-06-2013 09:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Superblade7 (Post 35589484)
I think this season the problem will now be to get all the best games you are going to need both Sky Sports and BT Sports. This will cost in the region of £35-£40+ per month depending on which platform you are on, whether you want HD, etc (unless of course you get BT Sports free via BT).

I can see many people this year saying enough is enough and possibly not bothering with one or both depending on how people's budgets are stretched in these current difficult financial times. You may then hopefully see some offers / reductions in the near future (we can but hope!).
Indeed the next couple of months for Sky , Virgin and BT are crucial and the decisions they make in this period will be crucial to their businesses in the next couple of years and the amount of subscribers they win or lose from those decisions.

harry_hitch 28-06-2013 10:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35589420)
Of course, they can but they don't

---------- Post added at 00:06 ---------- Previous post was at 00:04 ----------

& Sky will still put their best 2 games on Super Sunday. The Saturday game will always be 3rd choice, or 4th if there's a MNF game on. Maybe even 4th when BT have 1st pick, maybe 5th choice on those occasions.
LOL, good one. Again, those people choose to watch that program. Many others choose to watch the football.
Sky may well put the 2nd choice games on Saturday, but I was just highlighting what I think they will do. I don't think they will let BT have the best matches on Saturday, without having something strong to fall back on? I also, think Wetherspoons (and other major pub chains) will lobby Sky to show a good game to generate sales in their pubs from the Saturday night crowd. Still, its just a thought:)

Doug P 28-06-2013 11:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35589300)
Why the worst slot for football? I've always hated the midday games, but with ESPN I've loved getting home from Palace in time to watch a Premier League game. I fully expect to be back in the Football League next season and I'm gutted that this will mean Saturday midday kick offs for TV. I do think that Sky showing a live 530 pm match followed by game of the day makes for a really decent Saturday night line up, though.

Carragher is awful, agreed.
I agree completely that BT have a rotten slot for their games.

Parlyboy 28-06-2013 12:41
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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/...101517603.html

Looks like the gloves are off!!

mike_gain 28-06-2013 13:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Superblade7 (Post 35589484)
I can see many people this year saying enough is enough and possibly not bothering with one or both
This is exactly what I am doing for this season. I could afford both of them but I am refusing to shell out near enough £37 for Sky Sports and the presumed £15-£20 for BT on the basis that I think this is a ridiculous amount of money for just sports channels

Instead I'm going to put my money towards renewing my season ticket at my club and because my season ticket will be cheaper than the Sky/BT price for a season I'll spend the difference on my teams new top and a few afternoons in the pub watching some football when BT decide to stick my team on on a Friday/Monday night.

Television money and the power TV companies have gained, as a result of pumping stupid amounts of money in, is ruining football in the UK and I am no longer prepared to help fund this.

Rant over, back to a happy Friday afternoon :)

bamav 28-06-2013 13:21
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Excellent points! If more fans did that, clubs would be better off and Sky wouldn't have the same control over their destinies.

johnasimmons 28-06-2013 13:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35589572)
This is exactly what I am doing for this season. I could afford both of them but I am refusing to shell out near enough £37 for Sky Sports and the presumed £15-£20 for BT on the basis that I think this is a ridiculous amount of money for just sports channels

Instead I'm going to put my money towards renewing my season ticket at my club and because my season ticket will be cheaper than the Sky/BT price for a season I'll spend the difference on my teams new top and a few afternoons in the pub watching some football when BT decide to stick my team on on a Friday/Monday night.

Television money and the power TV companies have gained, as a result of pumping stupid amounts of money in, is ruining football in the UK and I am no longer prepared to help fund this.

Rant over, back to a happy Friday afternoon :)
:clap: :clap:

smallclone 28-06-2013 13:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35589572)
This is exactly what I am doing for this season. I could afford both of them but I am refusing to shell out near enough £37 for Sky Sports and the presumed £15-£20 for BT on the basis that I think this is a ridiculous amount of money for just sports channels

Instead I'm going to put my money towards renewing my season ticket at my club and because my season ticket will be cheaper than the Sky/BT price for a season I'll spend the difference on my teams new top and a few afternoons in the pub watching some football when BT decide to stick my team on on a Friday/Monday night.

Television money and the power TV companies have gained, as a result of pumping stupid amounts of money in, is ruining football in the UK and I am no longer prepared to help fund this.

Rant over, back to a happy Friday afternoon :)
Well said.

I'm a sports junkie but I'm not paying that much. As long as I have the cricket, rugby and some football I'll pay for that.

muppetman11 28-06-2013 17:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neilo (Post 35588971)
Anyway, with HD, it's gonna be either £36 or £36.50 which is a lot of money plus the £12 that we might have to pay for BT Sports. Not good.
Are you sure about that :shocked: ? If so that's awfully expensive.

Jameseh 28-06-2013 17:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35589664)
Are you sure about that :shocked: ? If so that's awfully expensive.
Yeah, £29(.50) + £7 HD

Even if Sky goes 10% up on Sports and the premium HD that's still; £23.10 + £5.77, over £6 cheaper than Virgin.

andy_m 28-06-2013 19:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35589572)
This is exactly what I am doing for this season. I could afford both of them but I am refusing to shell out near enough £37 for Sky Sports and the presumed £15-£20 for BT on the basis that I think this is a ridiculous amount of money for just sports channels

Instead I'm going to put my money towards renewing my season ticket at my club and because my season ticket will be cheaper than the Sky/BT price for a season I'll spend the difference on my teams new top and a few afternoons in the pub watching some football when BT decide to stick my team on on a Friday/Monday night.

Television money and the power TV companies have gained, as a result of pumping stupid amounts of money in, is ruining football in the UK and I am no longer prepared to help fund this.

Rant over, back to a happy Friday afternoon :)
Repped. The most deserving I have given imo.

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Surely nobody knows if the 530pm slot will get worse viewing figures than the 1245pm slot because until now ESPN, with fewer subscribers than Sky, have had the 530pm slot. You could equally make the argument that at 1245pm more blokes are sitting outside changing rooms waiting for their WAGs to decide if they can squeeze into a 12, and by the time they get home they'll be able to make a claim that they deserve to be left alone to watch the footy for a bit. But that would ignore the fact that many women like to watch football as well.

colin25 28-06-2013 19:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35589735)
Repped. The most deserving I have given imo.

---------- Post added at 19:21 ---------- Previous post was at 19:08 ----------

Surely nobody knows if the 530pm slot will get worse viewing figures than the 1245pm slot because until now ESPN, with fewer subscribers than Sky, have had the 530pm slot. You could equally make the argument that at 1245pm more blokes are sitting outside changing rooms waiting for their WAGs to decide if they can squeeze into a 12, and by the time they get home they'll be able to make a claim that they deserve to be left alone to watch the footy for a bit. But that would ignore the fact that many women like to watch football as well.
If they need to squeeze into a size 12..I'd think that the pub is a better option..as I'd need to be drunk to squeeze anything that found a size 12 tight

Present company excepted :D

---------- Post added at 19:56 ---------- Previous post was at 19:54 ----------

And...I've known a few girls who thought that a 12 was too big..but I told them..I'm not making it smaller, that is your job :D

DaMac 28-06-2013 20:19
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Ot Colin, but did having infinity installed create much extra mess? Reason I ask is I put my VM cable under my drive, but I doubt BT lift the block paving if I decide to have it intalled.

colin25 28-06-2013 22:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35589765)
Ot Colin, but did having infinity installed create much extra mess? Reason I ask is I put my VM cable under my drive, but I doubt BT lift the block paving if I decide to have it intalled.
I have bt infinity 2...which is the version that goes over the telephone wire for the last leg (from the box)

So on that basis, no mess :)

coulsontom 28-06-2013 23:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35589494)
LOL, good one. Again, those people choose to watch that program. Many others choose to watch the football.
Sky may well put the 2nd choice games on Saturday, but I was just highlighting what I think they will do. I don't think they will let BT have the best matches on Saturday, without having something strong to fall back on? I also, think Wetherspoons (and other major pub chains) will lobby Sky to show a good game to generate sales in their pubs from the Saturday night crowd. Still, its just a thought:)
Swansea v Aston Villa or Strictly? hmm Strictly.

The 5.30pm slot is GUARANTEED to be at most the 3rd best game of the week.

Therefore it will not, and cannot be a game that has wide appeal.

andy_m 29-06-2013 06:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35589871)
Swansea v Aston Villa or Strictly? hmm Strictly.

The 5.30pm slot is GUARANTEED to be at most the 3rd best game of the week.

Therefore it will not, and cannot be a game that has wide appeal.
Firstly, Strictly really isn't the answer to that question.

Secondly, why is the 530pm slot guaranteed to be 3rd best, at best? Where have any of the broadcasting companies involved said that will be the case?

harry_hitch 29-06-2013 06:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35589871)
Swansea v Aston Villa or Strictly? hmm Strictly.

The 5.30pm slot is GUARANTEED to be at most the 3rd best game of the week.

Therefore it will not, and cannot be a game that has wide appeal.
"Guaranteed" is a rather strong word, I guess you know something about Sky's schedule I don't.
So lets say BT show Spurs v Arsenal (or some such equivalent) at 12.45, and then show football from other countries or a big rugby game in order to keep viewers from switching over to Sky. Sky are are just gonna go "oh, you know what, lets pay massively over the top amount of money for football games and just play a third rate game on a Saturday night so we can let BT/ITV/BBC win the ratings on a Saturday."
For me Sky will show a decent match on Saturday and suffer a bit on the Sunday.:)

---------- Post added at 06:59 ---------- Previous post was at 06:52 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35589572)
This is exactly what I am doing for this season. I could afford both of them but I am refusing to shell out near enough £37 for Sky Sports and the presumed £15-£20 for BT on the basis that I think this is a ridiculous amount of money for just sports channels

Instead I'm going to put my money towards renewing my season ticket at my club and because my season ticket will be cheaper than the Sky/BT price for a season I'll spend the difference on my teams new top and a few afternoons in the pub watching some football when BT decide to stick my team on on a Friday/Monday night.

Television money and the power TV companies have gained, as a result of pumping stupid amounts of money in, is ruining football in the UK and I am no longer prepared to help fund this.

Rant over, back to a happy Friday afternoon :)
Great post sir, great post :clap: Just out of interest, who is your club? I will look out for their scores next season with a bit more fondness (sorry if thats a bit too soft for you all) - as long as it is not Peterborough Utd, as a Cambridge Utd fan, that would never work:D

P.S, money is killing football, you are spot on!

Doug P 29-06-2013 07:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35589689)
Yeah, £29(.50) + £7 HD

Even if Sky goes 10% up on Sports and the premium HD that's still; £23.10 + £5.77, over £6 cheaper than Virgin.
Well they are their channels...

The £7 HD surely includes the Movies HD charge too if you have them?

colin25 29-06-2013 07:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35589871)
Swansea v Aston Villa or Strictly? hmm Strictly.

The 5.30pm slot is GUARANTEED to be at most the 3rd best game of the week.

Therefore it will not, and cannot be a game that has wide appeal.
Strictly? And you call yourself a sport fan?

I'd watch cricket first before that, and i hate cricket (though I'm partial to watching england lose, but that is just too good to miss :D)

---------- Post added at 07:48 ---------- Previous post was at 07:39 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35589572)
This is exactly what I am doing for this season. I could afford both of them but I am refusing to shell out near enough £37 for Sky Sports and the presumed £15-£20 for BT on the basis that I think this is a ridiculous amount of money for just sports channels

Instead I'm going to put my money towards renewing my season ticket at my club and because my season ticket will be cheaper than the Sky/BT price for a season I'll spend the difference on my teams new top and a few afternoons in the pub watching some football when BT decide to stick my team on on a Friday/Monday night.

Television money and the power TV companies have gained, as a result of pumping stupid amounts of money in, is ruining football in the UK and I am no longer prepared to help fund this.

Rant over, back to a happy Friday afternoon :)
Mike (hope you don't mind the personally address)

I disagree. I don't argue with the sentiments (who doesn't want things cheaper)

But it isn't sky who causes this.

There is no reason why FA can't sell the rights for a lower price, or arrange for certain games to be broadcast on tv for free. Or indeed, use the money to reduce the ticket price

Sky does things for sky...but they do not put greed into people or companies, that is there. If it wasn't sky, the owners would think of some other way.

And the issue isn't the cost of tv...fans can always watch a match, by buying a season ticket. The issue is that despite all the money from sky, owners still think that raising ticket prices is correct.

But what would happen if sky quit paying?

For some clubs, debt would become unsustainable.

That isn't likely to happen, but I suspect sky etc won't pay the same money, if subscribers aren't taking the product.

Problem there is that it is a world game...someone is always willing to pay...but no guarantee who gets to see it.

Ok..tired of typing..haircut day

andy_m 29-06-2013 08:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35589891)
"Guaranteed" is a rather strong word, I guess you know something about Sky's schedule I don't.
So lets say BT show Spurs v Arsenal (or some such equivalent) at 12.45, and then show football from other countries or a big rugby game in order to keep viewers from switching over to Sky. Sky are are just gonna go "oh, you know what, lets pay massively over the top amount of money for football games and just play a third rate game on a Saturday night so we can let BT/ITV/BBC win the ratings on a Saturday."
For me Sky will show a decent match on Saturday and suffer a bit on the Sunday.:)

---------- Post added at 06:59 ---------- Previous post was at 06:52 ----------



Great post sir, great post :clap: Just out of interest, who is your club? I will look out for their scores next season with a bit more fondness (sorry if thats a bit too soft for you all) - as long as it is not Peterborough Utd, as a Cambridge Utd fan, that would never work:D

P.S, money is killing football, you are spot on!
I confidently predict that Bt won't have Spurs v. Arsenal or Arsenal v. Spurs this season. I may very well be wrong but Sky have pack d, which is controlling, and I cannot see them letting Bt show either fixture.

I'm putting my money where my mouth is, and if I'm wrong I'll come back and say so, but Bt's first match of the season will be Palace v. Spurs or similar. No inside info, just based on my analysis of the situation and my understanding of what each rights pack actually means.

Itshim 29-06-2013 08:53
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Go to a live game far more fun

denphone 29-06-2013 09:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35589922)
Go to a live game far more fun
And far more expensive as well dear chap.

mike_gain 29-06-2013 10:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35589891)
Great post sir, great post :clap: Just out of interest, who is your club? I will look out for their scores next season with a bit more fondness (sorry if thats a bit too soft for you all) - as long as it is not Peterborough Utd, as a Cambridge Utd fan, that would never work:D

P.S, money is killing football, you are spot on!
My team is St Johnstone, we'll be playing either Crusaders or Rosenborg on the 18th July, if it's the latter I expect a humping. We are one of the few clubs in the country to not have any debt and have money in the bank and the only senior team with a J in their name. In short we are the best team in the UK :-)

I have to confess that I have been in the home end at London Road cheering on the Posh and the away end at your Abbey Stadium (or whatever the hell you're calling it these days) so I am probably not your best friend ;-)

---------- Post added at 10:01 ---------- Previous post was at 09:32 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35589901)

Mike (hope you don't mind the personally address)

I disagree. I don't argue with the sentiments (who doesn't want things cheaper)

But it isn't sky who causes this.

There is no reason why FA can't sell the rights for a lower price, or arrange for certain games to be broadcast on tv for free. Or indeed, use the money to reduce the ticket price

Sky does things for sky...but they do not put greed into people or companies, that is there. If it wasn't sky, the owners would think of some other way.

And the issue isn't the cost of tv...fans can always watch a match, by buying a season ticket. The issue is that despite all the money from sky, owners still think that raising ticket prices is correct.

But what would happen if sky quit paying?

For some clubs, debt would become unsustainable.

That isn't likely to happen, but I suspect sky etc won't pay the same money, if subscribers aren't taking the product.

Problem there is that it is a world game...someone is always willing to pay...but no guarantee who gets to see it.

Ok..tired of typing..haircut day
To be fair I never solely said Sky were to blame, the problem goes right back to the formation of the Premier League and the various companies who have tried to get a foothold by offering stupid amounts which their competitors have to match e.g. ITV Digital, Setanta, ESPN and now BT.

The FA (and SFA) don't really come into it as they only sell the rights to international games. Each of the English and Scottish leagues (with the ageerement of member clubs) sell their content themselves (not so sure about Wales , NI and Ireland). All the league members want the best price and that is gained by exclusivity which TV companies will almost certainly have stipulated as prerequisite before negotiating. This was the mistake, there should have been no exclusivity so that 2 companies to give less money and the consumer could decide who to watch.

However where we are now is that, as you point out, if someone stops paying clubs go bust so the TV men have a stranglehold on clubs which is why we have Friday night, Monday night and lunchtime football, no domestic games on the same night as European football (unless you are a big club then it doesn't matter), predictions of Armageddon because one club looses it top flight status etc....

We are at the stage where the men/women with the money (and this isn't just Sky, as you say this is a global thing) can dictate when and how things are done. Wages have gone crazy, players move for money rather than ambition (see majority of the Motherwell team), you can't blame them but the only reason teams in England are paying more is because the market is distorted by the madness going on the top flight.

I'd quite happy see the TV money being capped or taken away completely but this is probably because when I started watching my team we were at the bottom of the pile with no money, a crumbling stadium and were getting beat every week. But in spite of all of this I fell in love with it all so going back to being a team with no money would make no difference to clubs like mine.

So I can no longer justify subsidising the companies that I see as the cause rather than the solution to the problems in UK football....and going to a game is much better anyway :-)

colin25 29-06-2013 10:06
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Fair point...and good stance

Not my cup of tea, but I applaud it. :clap: :clap:

Chad 29-06-2013 10:21
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35589933)
And far more expensive as well dear chap.
I don't know Den, I think Itshim has a very valid point. It's getting very expensive to stay in the house to watch the game.

SKY Sports is going to be about £29.00 per month after SKY's next price increase. £36.00 if you take it in HD. If BT Sports doesn't go into XL, and costs between £12.00 to £15.00 per month, that's almost £600.00 per year to catch all the action.

Whilst going to see top level teams in England and Scotland is pretty expensive, there are plenty of cheaper options if you just want to get out to see a game every second week. Within a 15 miles radius of where I live I could get a season ticket for Falkirk for £225.00, a season ticket for Livingston for £250.00 or a season ticket for Dunfermline for £215.00. Because the grounds are so close, and I know where all the free parking is next to the grounds, I would be less than £100.00 in travel costs for the whole season.

I could honestly buy a season ticket for one of these clubs, buy their home top, buy a scarf, travel back and forth to each game, buy a program each week, buy a pie and bovril all for under £600.00. Falkirk even do parent & child season ticket for £250.00.

colin25 29-06-2013 10:30
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35589976)
I don't know Den, I think Itshim has a very valid point. It's getting very expensive to stay in the house to watch the game.

SKY Sports is going to be about £29.00 per month after SKY's next price increase. £36.00 if you take it in HD. If BT Sports doesn't go into XL, and costs between £12.00 to £15.00 per month, that's almost £600.00 per year to catch all the action.

Whilst going to see top level teams in England and Scotland is pretty expensive, there are plenty of cheaper options if you just want to get out to see a game every second week. Within a 15 miles radius of where I live I could get a season ticket for Falkirk for £225.00, a season ticket for Livingston for £250.00 or a season ticket for Dunfermline for £215.00. Because the grounds are so close, and I know where all the free parking is next to the grounds, I would be less than £100.00 in travel costs for the whole season.

I could honestly buy a season ticket for one of these clubs, buy their home top, buy a scarf, travel back and forth to each game, buy a program each week, buy a pie and bovril all for under £600.00. Falkirk even do parent & child season ticket for £250.00.
Yes, but you can watch la liga, italian and germany leagues.

Add to that all the other sports, it becomes a big package to watch

English premiership is the main bait for many..but not the only bit

I add the ryder cup, lions tour etc etc

European games (europa and champions league)

Cup games

And if really bored, there are a few scottiah games :)

johnasimmons 29-06-2013 10:39
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Well, it is July in 2 days so we should hear something about getting/not getting BT Sport in the next few weeks...

mike_gain 29-06-2013 10:41
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35589976)
I don't know Den, I think Itshim has a very valid point. It's getting very expensive to stay in the house to watch the game.

SKY Sports is going to be about £29.00 per month after SKY's next price increase. £36.00 if you take it in HD. If BT Sports doesn't go into XL, and costs between £12.00 to £15.00 per month, that's almost £600.00 per year to catch all the action.

Whilst going to see top level teams in England and Scotland is pretty expensive, there are plenty of cheaper options if you just want to get out to see a game every second week. Within a 15 miles radius of where I live I could get a season ticket for Falkirk for £225.00, a season ticket for Livingston for £250.00 or a season ticket for Dunfermline for £215.00. Because the grounds are so close, and I know where all the free parking is next to the grounds, I would be less than £100.00 in travel costs for the whole season.

I could honestly buy a season ticket for one of these clubs, buy their home top, buy a scarf, travel back and forth to each game, buy a program each week, buy a pie and bovril all for under £600.00. Falkirk even do parent & child season ticket for £250.00.
You're bang on. Even St Johnstone who are the 3rd best team in Scotland and playing in Europe (for a fortnight) for the 2nd season in a row do a parent and 2 child ticket for £250....fair enough it's behind the goal but all season tickets include 2 children 12 and under. My ticket costs £330 for the main stand but the east stand is only £295 and both those tickets allow the holder to take any 2 under 12s they want . Even the pay on the gate price for all stands (including away) include 2 12 and unders for free.

Drop down division and the prices get very reasonable (unless you're a Dundee fan). Even in England as soon as you drop away from the crazy top to leagues season tickets are around the £350 mark and the on the gate prices are about the same as the SPL.

But I guess the argument is that with the sports channels you get other sports as well as football. Must be a kick in the teeth if you're an VM customer and an F1 fan having to pay nearly £40 a month to watch the few races that aren't on the BBC.

andy_m 29-06-2013 11:46
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My season ticket at Palace was a shade over £400. Premier League football in London. A recent piece in the Daily Mail criticised us for having more expensive season tickets than Man City - meaning presumably that it's possible to watch one of the best teams in the country every week for significantly less than it would cost you to subscribe to Sky Sports for a year. Anyone who has to choose and decides to plough their money, and their vocal support, into their club has my complete respect, and it doesn't necessarily follow that it's the most expensive option, either.


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