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Well, it's not like they've got anything else to play for is there?

And I suppose the thought of losing their star player was enough to motivate them tonight. Still, Arsenal champions of Europe this season? I don't see it... :erm:

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I believe you are. (apart from Walcott on the bench)

Arsenal: Lehmann, Eboue, Toure, Senderos, Flamini, Hleb (Bergkamp 86), Silva, Fabregas, Reyes (Pires 68), Henry, Ljungberg.
Subs Not Used: Almunia, Diaby, Song Billong, Walcott, Djourou.


Real Madrid: Casillas, Salgado (Robinho 84), Sergio, Bravo, Carlos, Beckham, Guti, Gravesen (Julio Baptista 67), Zidane, Raul (Cassano 73), Ronaldo.
Subs Not Used: Diego, Helguera, Cicinho, Diogo.

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beckham was poor if he plays like that in the wc it doesnt bode well.

his greatest skill was crossing and passing both which were poor.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...al/4781642.stm

Really Arsene? Let's see - since 31st December Arsenal have played 16 games, won 7, drawn 4 and lost 5.

Grown from what exactly?

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he says it after every win then they go on and lose the next game.

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I wouldn't write them off for a top 3 finish just yet.

Lets face it they have plenty of experience of coming in from behind.

*Gets coat*

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don't want to take anything away from Arsenal as you can only beat the team you are playing but they were against a very very poor aging side.. Zidane had no skill whatsoever.. he never had much pace even when he was younger but now he has no pace and no skill he just couldn't do anything.. Beckham also isn;t very young anymore and Ronaldo is looking fat and past it too.. most of the team is over 30 and they had no idea what to do it was just 30 or 40 yard passes.. ok one or two worked but for most of the 90 mins over both games they didn't have a clue what to do

playing against a team like that 1-0 isn't that great a result

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I've posted this in the 'Champions League Quarter Final Draw' thread, but I'll put it here as well :)

Just as a by-the-by, UEFA have confirmed that, if Arsenal win the Champions League, they will automatically be entered into the group stages of next seasons competition, in place of whatever team finishes fourth in the Premiership.

What price Arsenal doing it, and knocking Spurs into the UEFA Cup


Right - Quarter final draw is:

Arsenal v Juventus (won't it be funny if they knock Vieira out )

Lyon v AC Milan

Inter or Ajax v Villareal

Benfica v Barca

There you go (Inter & Ajax are due to play their second leg on the 16th March).

And the semi finals will be:

Arsenal or Juventus v Internazionale / Ajax or Villarreal

Lyon or AC Milan v Benfica or Barcelona

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Arsenal beat Juve?

No.

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Yeah, but it would be funny if they did ;)

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Well we did last year and NO one gave us a chance ;) Ballack is on £121,00 0 a week lol.. what a load of balls for a 29 year old footballer player.

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what now with Bayern or when Chelsea ?

Arsenal even get an easier Semi draw if they get that far.. they are the luckiest team going

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I wouldn't call drawing Juve lucky...

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compared to Lyon, AC or Barca it is

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AC? You do realise that Juve have a 10 point lead over AC in Serie A?

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i do know.. just call me stupid :D

should check my facts before posting will have to wait to the match to see if they really perform as well as they should though

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real madrid are a shadow of their previous team for sure.

zidane had a great pass to him in the box but he miscontrolled and would never have done that 2 years ago, he also had many misplaced passes.

beckham who previously was arguably the best crosser of the ball in the world had at least half a dozen crosses either go out of play or simply just overhit, his passing wasnt great and also he had a lot of goal scoring oppirtunities over both legs and blundered them all.

roberto carlos I still think is a great player, along with raul and ronaldo, their robinho doesnt seem so hot and they should have kept owen.

I think for the future they have some good young players like the left back who is behind beckham and woodgate, but they have a severe problem that they keep players in the team simply for marketing purposes and both zidane and beckham need to be dropped. Beckham as a result may up his game but I think zidane is simply past the point of no return.

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I know we have probably had enough of conspiracy theorists for the moment, but bear with me...

That black Arsenal defender who two-footed tackled that Liverpool player and then faked an injury to avoid being sent off :afire:

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Why didn't the ref ask this linesman if he saw what happened with Alonso instead of guessing. They are supposed to be "Assistant referees" after all.

Shades of Euro 2004 there with Gerrard and Henry.

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Just seen it on match of the day.

Kolo Toure doing his Bob Beamon impression. And I feel sorry for Alonso, the bloke slipped and got a second yellow for it and subsequently got sent off :rolleyes:

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when i whent away to see the word oxford where in Sixth place in league 2 great Stuff promotion here we come boy did I get a shock on my return.my eyes looked at The table with horror to find we are now 19th And at risk of going down ! they must Have got rix back at manager for them to have becomethat bad ! looks like it's going to be a rollercostar of a week weeks foor me.

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Ballack wants to sign for Chelsea,

No surprise there then :rolleyes:

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Its a shame there are not more people in the game like Stuart Pearce.....

Good for him :tu:

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yeah sacked managers been compensated is a joke, problem with football is its a employees market.

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It is good, but I no longer like Stuart Pearce seeing as Man City dumped my boys out of the Cup last night :fit:

Still, if you only actually play football for the l;ast 5 minutes of a match, I s'pose that's what happens, dammit!

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got a bit of good news today oxford have sacked the uselass Brian Talbot
About time to the guy has been nothing but bad news for the club from day one ! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/4805892.stm

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I hope the authorities come down as hard on the Italians, as I'm sure they would on the English :rolleyes:

http://www.sportinglife.com/football...ough_Fans.html

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Indeed if it was the other way round uefa would come down hard on the fa
Some thing talls me that. this will be whitewash the most the italians will get
is a token "fine" the fans do stuff like this in italy all the time because thay
know thay will get away with it.

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A bit late, but what the heck......

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2006/03/12.jpg

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:rofl:

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Barcelona are claiming that Thierry Henri will be playing for them next season....

Linky

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Works both ways. If he wants to move clubs it means the club he's moving to doesn't have to pay compensation to get him out of the contract.

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Yeah, but didn't Barcelona do pretty much the same thing with Beckham? In fact, I seem to remember that Laporta actually staked his bid for the presidency on the fact that Beckham was definitely going.

You do tend to find that the Spanish clubs in particular make these huge statements and probably 80% of them don't come off. Mind you, he'll probably sign for them now, and make me look like a pillock (not for the first time, obviously :disturbd: )

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Remember Real saying they definately weren't interested in Beckham?

Anyway let's hope Henri does shove off to Spain - more fun are Arsenal's expense :D

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God, no! He's the only one whe ever scores any points in my fantasy football team :disturbd:

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i think Henry could end up going in the summer.. if barca win the European Cup and Arsenal only get UEFA Cup or no European football at all i can see him going.. with Pires prob going to and maybe Lungberg with him and an aging Bergkamp they could be in real trouble next season.. not that i'd enjoy that at all :D

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too hard to say, this story would help henry's contract negotiations for sure, so he could reach a "bluff" verbal agreement with barca and then go back to arsenal and get an extra big % on their current offer.

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Some light at the end of the tunnel for United maybe ?

Fulham 1 Chelsea 0 Result

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I see there was a boxing match after the football had finished too :rolleyes:

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/4823284.stm

Jose, why can't you just accept it when Chelsea lose?

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I think he has a point considering even Coleman said that he thought the linesman could not have seen the handball. If both officials didnt see it, and they awarded the handball then its down to player reactions and the crowd too. Also I think Mourinho is still upset from his players/team being reprimanded for tring to influence the ref at West Brom, when they all ganged up on him. To be fair, again they have a point as we see this happening all the time in the premiership and only Chelsea have got done.

Anyway at least the score makes the next few games very interesting. I can see Fergie preparing his latest assault on the minds of Chelsea players pretty soon.

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The thing is, it WAS a handball - tv replays proved it.

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Well, after Mugson only managed 1 away win from screw knows how many games between start of season and mid-Feb, Barlow/McParland have two, and a draw, in our 5-game (W3 D2) run since Megson kindly f*cked off.

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Sky were even discussing it for a while, and its evident now that a fair few ref decisions are decided on guess work and peer pressure.

It is just a shame that it took someone like chelsea been on the raw end to highlight it.

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News Breaking that deadly virus has broke out in parts of London. no casulties as of yet but sources say that two London football clubs may be affected. both Arsenal and Chelsea have came out with statements saying that none of their squad staff or management have contracted any disease or virus.

This virus however is dangerous and is known to collapse title chances and ruin seasons the goverment has named it the "back to back" disease.

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Whether it was handball or not it was both managers opinions that neither the ref or the linesmen could have seen it. Therefore how can you give it? I think people are overlooking this because its Chelsea on the receiving end.

If the decision had been given by, say video evidence at the time, then there would not be a problem. In this case many believe the crowd and fulham players influenced the ref. I for one dont believe the lenesman didnt put his flag up because he pressed the buzzer to alert the ref.

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I know what you're saying but it WAS a handball, and justice prevailled. And yes it's slightly more satisfying that it happened to Chelsea, seeing as they enjoy more than their share of cheating.

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Bit harsh mate.... Last season 'a goal that never was', meant Liverpool went on to the Euro Cup final, and this season a dodgy sending off basically killed of the 1st leg against Barca. Two very big decisions going against them. You'd be bitter too mate.

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Things like that happen, it's part of football. The problem with Chelsea is they want everything to do their own way and if it doesn't they'll 'make' it go their way, which usually involves Drogba taking a dive. Bad decisions happen all the time, referees are only human however Chelsea seem to manufacture these decisions wherever possible.

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But its always Chelsea do this Chelsea do that. Don't tell me Drogba is the only diver in the Premiership, don't tell me Utd players constantly dont surround the ref when a decison goes against them, and don't tell me Mourinho is the only manager who has a go at officials. As a neutral there is such an anti Chelsea feeling in football nowadays, and I think it goes down to the jealousy people have in terms of the money available to Chelsea.
I reckon if Chelsea played the national German team in a game, they'd still be more people in the UK wanting the germans to win, simply because they are playing Chelsea.

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I'll happily admit I'm anti-Chelsea simply because of how they're ruining the game. They pick up players then throw them away if they don't "fit" just a like a child would, picking out sweets. Jose is definately a top manager but if he left, then they'd carrying on splashing the cash on players, leaving the rest of the pack having no chance.

In the 90s United were accused of whinging and moaning but we never had Chelsea's spending power, we were never guaranteed the best players. We never bought the title. People talk about the money spent on Rooney and Rio but we'd established ourselves long before they came along.

There's nothing wrong with a team having money to spend on players but when they refuse to accept that their success is down to that, THEN they're fair game for the rest of us to have a go.

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i totally agree i have many chelsea fans who are mates of mine and they always moan at me that Utd bought the title. em No we didnt we used youth and some transfers to win premiership how many players can Chelsea say came via academys or youth setup?? Utd created their own History in 90s and Chelsea are buying theirs !

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yes most people don't Chelsea because of how they got their money.. without Roman they wouldn't be half the club they are.. he's spent nearly 1 billion and can still spend another 200m in the summer just to win the Euro Cup next year.. whenever they loose they never get beaten by a better side it's always because of this or that.. when they lost to Fulham why not just say yes it was handball and we lost because we didn't play well.. Fulham should have had a pen anyway

was reading an article about Chelsea a few weeks ago.. they aren't really a big club.. their core support of fans is only about 8,000 to 10,000 with the rest being casual fans and people jumping on the winning band wagon.. they've only won one league title before Roman came and 2 Cup Winners Cups.. plus the odd Fa Cup.. when they released the DVD of their title winning season it only sold about 3000 copies... shows how many true fans they actually have

as you said United do do alot of the same things and if Roman had bought them instead of the Glazers pump 500m into the club i'm sure we won't be complaining that much either

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So Chelsea spend more in one season than Utd or Liverpool or Arsenal spent in say 5. But there's more to winning the Premiership than spending money on players. I wouldnt say Drogba is as good as Van Nisteroy, Id say Ronaldo is better than Robben and that Rooney is unstoppable. But as a unit Chelsea do seem unstoppable, and I dont think you can buy that as such.

As far as 'throwing away' the players that dont fit, most teams put players out to loan when they arent part of their first squad. Of the notable one's Chelsea 'threw away' last season, you had Crespo who played in a Euro Cup final.

You're right, Utd never bought the title, but I dont think Chelsea did either. I think it was more of a case of other teams simply giving up, going into games feeling that because theyve (Chelsea) spent so much they will win. Also about Chelsea having the money, yes its true they do, but they are at a disadvantage in terms that they have to pay over the odds for a player they want. Take Shaun Wright Phillips, as soon as Chelsea are interested, Man City put the price up to 20 plus million, which only Chelsea can afford, effectively pricing everyone else out. As Mourinho says there's a Chelsea proce and the rest of the Premiership price.

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Remember Veron?

And they've only got themselves to blame.

Of all the teams who've "given up" as you put it, I'd say the only noticeable one would be Arsenal.

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What, the one that both ManUre and Chelsea gave up on?

West Ham so have their name on the cup anyway. Harewood and Ashton :)

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As a Man U fan i think the whole Chelsea saga is a big test for fergie and i like it, it should fire the old dog up for one last surge of supremacy before retirement. once he builds the midfield in his new image our squad shall equal Chelseas as currently we arent far off.

to say id prefer if Roman hadnt of bothered with Chelsea or any club would be right also. i think the league would be ALOT more exciting with Chelsea i think sitting 4/5 with Arsenal and United and Liverpool fighting it out for Premiership instead of 2nd place.

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Anyone backed Brum tonight.:D 2-0 down after 4 minutes.:shocked:

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7-0!

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I'll bet Crouch was a bit miffed after being taken off while looking for his first ever hatrick....

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dont know why crouch gets subbed so much he is currently their best performing striker.

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Hearts lose another manager.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...an/4832716.stm
http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/...805570,00.html

Who next for the most thankless job in Scottish football? Oh a countryman of the new owner. Now there is a surprise :rolleyes:

2nd place behind Celtic and 6 points clear of Rangers. Yep a shocking performance all round for Hearts.

Still it should make 2nd place easier for Rangers.

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Impressive forsight

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4832776.stm

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chelsea v liverpool fa cup final?

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Is there a semi final draw? I reckon if there is then its Chelsea Vs Liverpool in the semi. Be nice to see an all London final, shame it cant be hosted in Wembley :(

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The FA Cup Semi Final Draw
12.55pm, Friday 24 March 2006
Winning club receives £900,00 0

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Right can someone please tell me how the Scottish premiership works. Theres 12 teams, how many times do they play each other? Im confused because I was reading that Celtic are 2 cvictories away from the title, having played 30 games so far.

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After 33 games (each team has played each other 3 times) it splits into a top 6 and bottom 6. They two halves play a further 5 games against the rest of their 'split' group.

Its a ridiculous state of affairs with the teams ranked 7th normally having more points than the 5th or 6th ranked teams.

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Cheers Dezzo.... I can now look forward to the remainder of the season without wondering what the heck's going on

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Had an epiphany? ;)

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:rofl:

And to think that Arsenal's squad is not that big, maybe he wants to play more youngsters which will in turn save him from the embarrassing task of telling his so called stars "You are not playing this week"

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Anyone else heard the rumour that Didier Drogba is in contract talks with the Harlem Globetrotters ? :rolleyes:

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Sven makes Real Madrid short list..........



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Tottenham played 10 (count 'em) british players last night. That must be a record for a premiership team....

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Not sure Kelly and Keane would be too happy being called British. ;)

Anyway 8 british players is still a good amount in this day and age.

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Especially for a London team :erm:

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Ooops, my mistake. 10 UK & Eire players then. Still a record...

Just like Arsenal V Real Madrid - two english players on the pitch - both playing for the bloody Spanish team!!! :rofl:

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I doubt its a record, when the premiership began there was only 10 foreign (not UK or Irish) players who played on the first day.

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Please take my posts in the manner in which there intended... :erm:

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:confused:

Which is?

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Why are McCoist and Townsend doing their analysis from the pitch? Is there no room in the studio. You can barely hear them over the stadium announcer..... actually maybe its a good idea after all.

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Anything that drowns out McCoist is a good idea by me :tu:

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At least the Tactics Truck wasn't there.

Also why can't Pleat say any foreign players names correctly? Vieira - Vieri, Reyes - Rayes, Helb - Kelb.

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Chelsea are stuttering towards the title, I hope United get the win at Bolton to gain ground, if not, then it is definitely over.

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Wouldn't it be amazing if we leapfrogged Chelsea for the title? We're only 7 points behind now and we've scored the most goals in the league. What a way to tell Jose where to shove his millions :D

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Yep, fingers crossed, but have a guess who we play next at home ?

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Wahey! I don't see a problem, given their appauling away record :D

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Good win for the boys :D

Now..........where's Marky :PP: :D

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We could yet make the playoffs. Another win, that's 5 from 7.

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man u have spent more on their strikeforce then chelsea so going on about millions isnt right. Although I am pleasantly surprised that the premiership title may actually have a climax.

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Oh you don't think so?

How much have Chelsea spent on new players since the russian took over?

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Much more than utd have over the same time period, and even if the time period isn't matched, you would have to go back a few years for utd to equal Chelsea's outlay for last season alone.......
http://www.clubsincrisis.com/ClubList.ASP
then chose Chelsea from the drop down box

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Yes but we are talking about goals and its the strikeforce that is the main contributor of man u's goals.

So how much have saha, rooney and ruud cost.

How much has drogba and crespo cost.

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No no, you were talking about the strikeforce, the rest of us were talking about the whole team.

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don't forget that as well as buying all the players Roman also bought the team and wiped out their 80m debt.. he then paid off Raneiri .. bought out their shirt sponsor a year early.. bought a new training ground.. wiped out even more debt the club were in the season after too

the total he has spent is way more than United have over the past 10 years

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@Chrysalis

So you were under the impression that I think it's only the strikers who give a team it's success?

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I was answering your remark about how you scored more goals which the bulk have been scored by your strikeforce.

I dont want to be mistaken for a chelsea lover, I dont like them one bit now, I defenitly dont like how they buying players just to have them on standby and ruining their careers. I just find it ironic man u fans are slamming buying success when their club is one of the biggest spenders in europe.

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Of course United are one of the biggest spenders, no-one could ever doubt that. But Chelsea are far ahead of the pack when it comes to how much has been spent on the team.

So I stand by my point that us winning the title this year would be an excellent way of showing Chelsea where they can stick their millions.

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Confidence or arrogance ?

:grind:

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