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I've said it before and still think that with the Premiership having all matches on TV that a fifth official should monitor the TV control room screens and advise the ref via radio of any incidents that he thinks the ref has missed or if the ref asks his opinion. Could be very useful in yellow and red card incidents.

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What about two extra lines men? Four lines men in total two in each half. One whos job is to watch solely for offsides, the other who watches for off the ball incidents or anything the ref misses.

We could also take an idea from the NHL where because the game is so fast they have a ref in each half which makes them closer to the play. The problem is if the ref is on the edge of the d and then henry makes a break up the field the middle-aged ref has to sprint up the field trying to keep up with the young super-fit player and if there is an incident make a decision while sprinting. If you had two refs then they should be in a better position.

Also remember video refs aren't infallible, there was a big incident in the NFL a few years ago when, ever after consulting replays, the refs made the wrong decision resulting in the team losing the game and missing out on the playoffs

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another case of consistency from the Fa.. Rooney taps someone and gets a three game ban..

Morrison of Birmingham does a similar thing and is likely to get away with a warning

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Rooney's was hands to the face so he got charged with violent conduct. Morrison's was a shove so he's charged with improper conduct.

Both seem violent to me, but thats the distinction the FA makes.

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I'd agree with gaz, striking the face gives the incident a different perspective. We can't complain about Rooney's treatment - he's had what he deserves.

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*falls off chair*

wow a man utd fan that talks sense ;)

I do have to say i think the ref should be for it as he saw Morrison push the player and did nothing :dozey:

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This is why it was classed as violent conduct - any strike to the face is seen as such. An automatic 3 match ban is correct. Rooney chose not to appeal and that's probably the most sensible idea he's had. But SAF really needs to clamp down on his ill-discipline hard.

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the forst offical is just there to justify the 20- 30 grand they get paid each year.. they do nothing really except hold up the board and come on if the ref gets injured. i'm not even sure if they are in cahrge of the timekeeping i think the ref relays that to the forth official before it is displayed.

I've never throught that board for extra time was any good anyway.. in the first half you always get 1 or 2 minutes. In the second half they are supposed to add on 30 seconds for each sub.. if all three by each team are made in the second half that is 3 mins so when they show a board with 2-3 it means they are saying there was no time wasting or injury time just the subs..

on the subject of TVs it's still a delicate issue.. would you also use it for diving etc or just diving when in the box.. not only that i've seen loads of incidents where people have been barely touched and i've thought they were acting and then they've been taken off and missed a few games.. take Giggs from the last match.. if that had happened from a tackle and he'd rolled on the floor afterwards.. if i was the forth official watcing on TV i'd say that was acting \ simulation and ask the ref to book him even though he's know out for a few games..

Until we get players beinh more honest there isn't much we can do

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Solution to Man United's striking crisis?

I don't recall old Forlorn troubling the disciplinary authorities much. Or the scorers, for that matter.

Is this the same SAF who sherer thought would make WR 'improve and calm down abit'? The poor old boy doesn't appear to be having much of an effect, it seems he's left the lad's education to Roy Keane.

Face it, Rooney is scouse, ugly, dense, ill-disciplined, cheats and has shocking taste in women. Shame, really, if he applied himself and his talent he could be one of the all-time greats.

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Ah yes, apart from when he scored both goals in United's 2-0 victory over Liverpool at Anfield 3 years ago. I mean, if you're going to rediscover your old form at any club on a single occasion, who better than against the Scousers :D (apart from the Arse of course)


oooOOoooo we are bitter tonight aren't we? He's only been at the club 6 months, you really think a 19 year old is going to change so quickly, especially when he's had little or no discipline in the past? I know it's standard for Arse supporters to have dillusions of grandeur but I think that's a bit much, don't you?? :D

And Rooney is all the above? Nothing to do with the fact he scored to SMASH Arse's unbeaten run? Not bitter at all are we?? :rofl:

Oh I love it when Arse fans accuse other players of being ill-disciplined and a cheat :p:

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We have the worst disciplinary record in the country and I'm the most anti-ill-disciplinary person you'll meet, well in a football sense anyway.

Clough's legacy, RIP...

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I think its time you changed your avtar ;)

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Read it again and explain why.

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I like it when we're not only Premiership Champions but also Fair Play Award winners. You, leg, stand on, none...

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Well yes, you have a point about the fair play award - it's about time something like that was done - the Arse were getting very close to unfairly labelled a bunch of cheats, and that's SO wrong isn't it??

And as for what you say about Rooney? You, Arsenal, talking, out of... :D ;)

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No worries mate.

You know us Leicester fans love the forest :tu: .

Good luck you need it. :)

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I'm so under-whelmed by Megson it's untrue. Time to get some deep heat for the neck methinks. The only positive I can draw is he may by some fluke manage to kick Doughty out...

[as for the avatar, Forest in the summer asked the question the other way round, ie we're serious about promotion are the fans, as an attempt to get season ticket sales higher and to justify yet another rise. But Doughty is a twit and a cheapskate and like **** he's ever going to get ambition for the club]

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I always though Forlan would do quite well in La Liga.. he had the skill and also thumped in good winners against Chelsea and Villa as well as those goals against Liverpool.. just wasn't very good with the speed and physical side of the English game.. with more time on the ball in Spain he can use more of his skill.. Watch him at international level and he is good as well..

Rooney needs more time to change although at the moment I can't see any signs of it true... Trouble is his first game for us was too good and he hasn't quite got to that level since

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Ill-discipline can be worked on, look at Alan Smith in tha last couple of years. As for cheating I suppose you mean diving as ever player cheats. I don't like to see anyone dive but it should be a league initiative to stamp this out.

As for being scouse, ugly, dense and having shocking taste in women I can't really see what point you are trying to make, how will any of these affect his football? Or are you just having a dig?

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The fair play award by the FA is subjective as they award points for things like positive play and then take points away for yellow/red cards. So therefore with Arsenal having an amazing season last year, going unbeaten and scoring a lot of goals they would have acculated a large number of points for positive play. Therefore with them having such a large total gives them a big advantage over other teams when points are deducted. Same as when Man Utd won the award in their treble year.

Now if we look at another fair play table that awards points solely on cards it tells a different story.

Last season Arsenal ended up ranked joint 8th while Man Utd were join 2nd
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/f...r=2003&cc=5739

This season you are currently joint 11th while Man Utd are 1st
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/f...r=2004&cc=5739

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good link there.. remember the fair play league was just some rubbish FIFA dreamt up so it's hardly likely to be well thought out.. the table you sent is how it should be done.. how can playing positive be playing fairly ?

Can't say i remember us getting 3 reds so far this year though

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Thats last seasons table, the link below it is this years, only 1 red which was smudgers against city

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You really needed to ask that question?? :D

It's standard fare for insecure Arse fans to display their displeasure and opposing teams' star players in that way....

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don't forget they had Keown for years.. now he's really good looking

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i noticed that just after i sent it.. doh

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Well, at least it's good to see that Villa are even rubbish at playing fair :disturbd:

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New forest manager announced ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...st/4160373.stm

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Saves me saying it.

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFing our way down to league 1.

Doughty has surpassed himself with the ineptitude of his FOURTH managerial appointment and the FOURTH imminent failure (after Platt, Hart and Kinnear). He can f right out of my club right now.

BTW I've been aware of this for 24 hrs and if anything I'm more ****ed than when I heard. We all wanted Pearce, but Doughty hates him, of the field Dave Jones or Anghel Iordanescu would both be better than hoofer ginge.

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Didn't Megson get West Brom promoted twice in 3 seasons? Yeah, he may not have the ability to manage in the Premiership, but surely he's proved himself at Championship / First Division level?

Anyway, it could have been worse - you could have got Peter Reid :D

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My problem is Megson's style of play and his attitude, the guy could fight nitrogen...

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I think he is a good appointment, but as the saying goes the proof is in the results he gets, I think all forest supporters should get behind the new manager and give him a chance. Rather than throwing your rattle out of the pram and saying we want someone else...TOUGH you have him deal with it :)

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Yeah, but his style of play has been proven to work at that level - it may not be pretty but it has tended to get results.

I was the same when Villa took O'Leary on as manager - didn't like the way he got the team to play, thought he was a chequebook manager and all that, but he turned Villa round and got us to 6th in the Premiership last season.

Personally, I think that you could do a lot worse than Megson and, who knows, maybe he'll do a Dowie for you (great bouncebackability :D )

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Well I understand what you guys are saying but I can't see anything else.

The opinion amongst Forest fans is kinda 50:50 as to whether he's a good choice or not.

Like I said the emotional attachment to Psycho won't go away- it was the same when Hart was fired and Kinnear was brought in.

Can't believe he's got rid of Mick Harford though, the guy has been the personification of dignity and respect all the time he's been caretaker, and he is after all an excellent coach.

Only time will tell but I don't think this is a good move.

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Here is an interesting one, Andy Liddell admitted after the game that he was offside when he scored against Villa.

How come we are not reading articles criticising Liddell for not telling the ref that he was offside? Where are the people calling him a cheat for not admitting it?

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Well, I think he's a cheat :D

In fairness, it's very well to come out and say these things, but it smacks a bit of Beckham and his 'I'm clever 'cos I got myself booked' rubbish.

Andy Liddell might say that he was blatantly offside but, even after the replays, it was difficult to see that the ball came off a Sheffield United player and not one of ours, so it must have been difficult in the spur of the moment for the linesman. As for the comment about Sorenson well, that's nothing new - a goalkeeper should stop every shot.

I just think he's trying to rub salt into the wounds of the Villa fans - with a bit of luck, he'll get done for his comments (although there's no particular reason why he should).

I just think that he should engage his brain before speaking - if they play Villa again at some point in the future, he'll probably start moaning if he gets booed every time he touches the ball.

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yes but he doesn't play for Man U... not seen all the games from the weekend yet but I read a comment from Wenger saying Stoke should have won after they Arse were given a free kick for a should barge buy Akinbuyi..

I just guess as these 2 aren't involving Man U they papers will just let me go. look at the Oldham goal that was disallowed for a push on James.. i've seen that a few times and there was nothing wrong with it.. if they had lost the match 2-1 would that have been the worst decision of all time

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Yeah but the point I was making was that strikers who are offside and score never get criticised for "not telling the ref" even when its clear that he knows hes offside - kluivert against the pool as an example. But when a keeper did something similar he was hung up by the media as all that was wrong with cheating footballers.

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I know what you're saying, but Liddell can't come out and say he was blatantly offside - there was a question about who's head the ball came off and, bearing in mind the fact that Liddell was already running to collect the flick on, he wouldn't have known one way or the other.

IMO, he won't get criticised for saying this because it was a questionable decision anyway, and he's basically just shooting his mouth off.

EDIT: More to the point, in the example of Roy Carroll, it was obvious as soon as he did it that the ball was about a yard over the line - this has been seen a blatant attempt to fool the officials (whether it was or not is a fairly moot point). Unfortunately, keepers are the players who get the most scrutinised when they make a mistake, which Carroll did (spilling the ball in the first place).

I'm not criticising Carroll for his actions (I believe that most, if not all, keepers would have done the same thing) but the difference is that Carroll denied a clear goal, whereas Liddells 'blatant offside' was a goalscoring opportunity, and I think that's the difference - none of this would have been brought up if the shot had been saved.

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as I said one played for Man U and the others didn't

I know what you mean though it would be nice to see some sporting acts from these premiership footballers.. they are meant to be sportsmen after all so acting sporting isn't too much to ask..

maybe they could even stop rolling over 15 times whenever someone goes near them as well ;)

the thing is there is so much money involved now both to the clubs and the players that none of them will stamp down on it.. can you imagine Wenger impossing a 6 game ban on Pires for conning a ref during a game or Fergie doing the same with Ronaldo..

The thing that annoys me is that FIFA and UEFA don't seem to want to do anything about it.. look at what they did with Rivaldo at the world cup.. fined him about the equivalent of £10

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OK maybe Liddell's wasn't a good example to use, but what about Kluiverts when he (from what I remember) was deliberately standing offside for a freekick, and was still in an offside position when he got the ball and scored. how come we didn't hear anything about him cheating?

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I've just made an edit of my post above - that'll give some clarification to what I think :tu:

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You've summed it up in one.

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Hey Man U and Arsenal fans- stop arguing about who's the best, it's chelsea... :LOL:

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We're not arguing over who's best - it's a competition to see who can make the most pointless petty comments against the other team, and at the moment I'm being soundly beaten :D

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it's getting a bit tiresome though, man u this, arsenal this, blah blah, most of the country don't care...

you both have woeful disciplinary records, what's the argument? proud of it?

:LOL:

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United have a woeful disciplinery record?? Are you sure?

Even if we did then in no way would I be proud of my team.

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They sure are! Will they have a slip this season? If not the title is theirs.

Anyone else notice that Jose always looks as if hes been out on the **** the night before?

Did you not see the fair play tables I posted earlier? Man Utd came 3rd last year and are currently 1st.

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I'll say this - on wednesday United have got NO chance. As much as I would love to see us wipe that smug grin off Jose's face, we simply do not have enough talent in our League Cup team to take on Chelsea's 1st OR reserve team - the latter being as good as most mid-table premiership sides. Our only hope is if SAF fields a full strength team but I can't see him risking the all big boys for a trophy he doesn't take all that seriously in the first place.

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Quit moaning. Nowt you can do to change his contempt for cups.

He should play his first team.

Forest won the league cup, the league and the champions league with a definitive XI. In Clough's opinion (RIP) any game deserves respect, and any competition is worth winning. The amount of other trophies he won is indicative of that opinion.

re: United- any team with Rooney, Keane, Scholes, van Divelrooy, Ferdinand is woeful.

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:D :D :D

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o...k...a...y... :LOL:

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yes Fergie has never lost a domestic semi final in England and this looks like being the first one. Chelsea are too strong they have a first 11 of top players and a second eleven of top players.. our resolves are Bellion, Eagles, Phil Nev etc and aren't good enough

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Play the best side available then...

At Forest we don't really have a squad. Alex Ferguson should be thankful he does.

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Interesting comments on the state of football and agents by Simon Jordan of Palace

all the agents are really interested in is just getting a bigger cut of any money the player can make.. Same with Carroll at Man U who's agent has told him he can get a better deal even if it means he goes to a smaller club and might not even play as many games..

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I saw that on SSN last night, Jordan had a right go about how they looked after Routledge and his mother over the last years. He was furious!

I agree about agents the majority just want to get the most money they can but getting players unsettled so that they move.

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This is something else I don't get....

Why would you sign for Chelsea when you will be behind Cudichini and Chec? Is it just a money thing? Petr Chec is only 22/23 so its not like the position will become free in a few years. I'd rather play in the Championship for less wages that sit on Chelsea reserves for more.

Unless Chelsea are planning to sell Cudichini. Fergie, if you do decide to sign any keeper this season make sure its Cudichini!!!

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Actually, as a die-hard Villa, fan, I'd have to disagree with that - Man U and Arsenal are probably the most widely supported teams in England (particularly Man U - I know all of the jokes about all of the supporters living in Surrey etc, but it's not too wide of the mark). As a result of their successes, rightly or wrongly, they are very well supported - it'd be interesting to do a poll of who on here supports which team, as I think it'd show that the national support of these two would probably be reflected here.

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Yes it would- but which ten teams would you include?

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Bloody glory hunters :mad: same with all the Liverpool supporters there were when i was growing up :2up: fcuks me off :dozey:

No doubt some bright spark will acuse me of being a glory hunter as well :p: :angel:

Edit - nffc i can quite safely say that forest won't be one of them :rofl::rofl:

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Well, I know that somebody will correct me if I'm wrong (;)), but I think a poll can have up to 20 options so, working on that principle, it'd be a case of starting with the Premiership teams (and yes, I am aware that there's a large amount of non-Premiership fans here as well :p: )

To make it completely fair, all 92 league teams would have to be included - dunno if it would be worth starting a thread so people could say who their team is or not (might be a little tricky to keep up with), but I'll have a think about it. What does anybody else reckon?

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What about the exeter fans among us though?!? :D

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Not all supports are glory hunters. But I admit some are, same with Arsenal now, I work with a guy who never used to be interesed in football, but he got interested in it last season. Guess who he supports.

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Kidderminster Harriers?


;)

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well if you could have 20 in a poll, you'd pick the top 19 Prem teams and a further option for "other- please state" and then any team could be included.

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What about Irish Premier league ;) Can we have an option for my local team - Lisburn Distillery? ;)

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well i support 2 teams and it's all my Dad's fault.. I started going to footie with him so I follow the same teams...

I'll admit he was abit of a glory boy when he grew up and started watching United.. even though we live in Kent.. they were the best team of the day and he wanted to watch the best players.. in them days you could even get a ticket to a match.. Dad started taking me to United so I follow them..

We both also follow Palace who are our local side.. even when they are in Div 1 or whatever it is called then we still go and watch them..

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They even a team? ;)

:rolleyes:

How people can do this I can't understand. What do you do when they play each other?

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;) Here is their website if you want to learn more about the mighty whites!

http://blue.srv2.com/~lisburn/

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So can a mod add poll to this thread then?

for the teams we support...

options of

Middlesbrough
Middlesbrough
or
Middlesbrough
oh and other team as long as its Middlesbrough :p::D:D

seems about right to me!!

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Full on glory boy [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] you should try and support Leicester City as well its great fun [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

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And you get a sore neck.

Got any decent cures, I probably need to know now.

[It is better watching the lower league teams though]

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sorry i know it wasn't the greatest excuse for supporting Man U

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I would support any team named after a distillery.
;) check out the sig.

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it's not easy but it doesn't happen that often.. usually i hope for a draw but it depends on what each team is going for at the time

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and i thought i was bad supporting 2 teams but three :Yikes: :Yikes:

still least they all fairly near each other

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You guys supporting more than one team aren't proper fans IMO.

I've always been a Forest fan and can't ever see myself supporting another team. It just isn't football.

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Named after the Royal Irish Distillery.

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don't you have a local non league side where you are though and look at their results every week to see how they get on ?

It's just the way Dad got me into football by taking me and Palace and Man U and cheering on both teams.. i've just always done it..

i know it can be abit strange but then so can I ;)

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No, not really- and the notion of supporting two teams seems alien to me.

As I've said- what happens when they play?

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well earlier in the season when palace when to Man U i wanted Palace to win as Man U seemed out of the title race and don't want palace to get relagated..

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Not much chance of that happening where my two teams are concerned!!

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:Peace: I was born in Rochdale and my grandfather used to take me to see the Dale, I moved to Oldham in 1961 and went to watch the Latics as often as possible and even though I have worked most Saturdays for the past 25 years still catch the occasional game.
I have also supported the Mighty Reds from just before the Munich disaster and used to go to Old Trafford every other Saturday in the late sixties, so I have seen Charlton, Best & The King ( long before Cantona) in their prime, again work prevented me from keeping up my attendance. So I think I have every right to support all three teams.

To answer your other question, when Oldham played United in the premiership or the FA Cup I always wanted Oldham to win, United are a big enough club to lose the odd game without it costing them to much, pity about the late equaliser from Sparky a few years back in the FA Cup, the Latics never recovered from that and got relegated at the end of that season.:(

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You can support as many as you want - I lived in Ardwick for 4 years up until I was 8 and developed a taste for Man United, then moved back to Port Talbot and started following the Swans as well.

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i was born in 78 so missed most of our best players.. it's annoying that there's so little footage of Edwards and the 58 team.. and you are right there is only one King.. Denis Law

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I thought he was talking about Ralph Milne???

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He brings back memories :disturbd: :Yikes:

I have to admit that I follow Oldham's and Sunderland's (my mum's team) results.

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I do have a soft spot for this team :D
http://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/league...n_id=12&squad=

i think its great how they set up a new team in protest to MK dons

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As do I and I commend their actions- but I don't even care what division they play in...

For me, there is only two teams I have an interest in. Forest and Forest reserves.

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Looks like SAF has gone for a three quarters senior squad then.

We're still gonna get stuffed.

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We didn't get stuffed?!

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No, which surprised me. If I'd not got exams I'd have watched it, but from what I've heard it was about as good as watching paint dry.

Second leg should be interesting...

BTW who's first choice, Carroll or Howard?

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You heard wrong, it was a very good game. Very open.

I believe Carroll is still number one, Howard was always going to play these two matches.

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Why rotate the keeper? Ron Greenwood did it (wrongly) with Shilton and Clemence.

The keeper is the most important link in the side. If you don't concede you don't lose. Therefore you should have a definite first choice and play him when available.

Another of Clough (RIP)'s great philosophies. A lot you could learn from listening to him (or reading his 442 column) or watching his sides play...

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Why not? Hasn't caused a problem yet, keeps the competition up.

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IMO a different keeper affects the defence, the uncertainty leads to conceding sloppy goals.

You'll be surprised how much a keeper and defence get accustomed to each other.

[Probs a hint of jealousy in the fact the Reds have one decent keeper (Gerrard) and two gash ones (Doyle and Roche)]

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Not if they know the keeper well enough, yes I'd agree you would have that problem if they hadn't played with the new kepper much, but they have played enough games with both keepers that it shouldn't happen.

I see what you are saying, lets just hope it affects chelsea in the 2nd leg!

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When Ward got injured for us last season, we conceded so many sloppy goals when Roche was in- including one off a coffee cup at De*by!

Likewise Gerrard was injured for 2 games in august and we shipped 7.

[That might be because Roche is ***** though]

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Hah I remember seeing that coffee cup one on soccer am

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WASN'T funny. We were crap that day- even worse when we went there last month though.

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As you probably read Juve have signed Mutu on a 5 year contract.

Now Mutu's ban expires 7 days before the Champions league final. Imagine if this final was between Juve and Chelsea and Mutu popped up and scored the winner! :D :p: