Cable Forum - Britain outside the EU

If I remember correctly, I heard it on Radio 4 or LBC News, but this article is the first I stumbled on that makes reference to it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...hannel-deaths/

It looks to me that France wants these migrants to be relocated over the whole of the EU, not just in France.

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…it appeared on Monday night that France is seeking an EU-wide agreement that could involve the return of Channel migrants to the continent.

Mr Darmanin called for a "balanced" accord that would offer "real solutions" for dealing with organised trafficking networks that are often spread across France, Belgium, Germany and other countries. He insisted it could not be with France alone, but with all of the EU.

"We do not want a unilateral agreement," he said after a meeting chaired by Mr Macron. "An agreement would set the framework for co-operation between Britain and bordering countries on immigration issues that were not negotiated at the time of Brexit."

The deal set to be proposed by France could include ways to ensure unaccompanied minors can safely reach Britain to rejoin their families instead of putting themselves at the mercy of traffickers, Mr Darmanin said. Britain has said the quid pro quo would be France taking back migrants.

Thanks. It doesn't go as far as:

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France is prepared to agree to have illegal migrants from there back. One more so called ‘disadvantage of leaving the EU’ removed.

OLD BOY

30-11-2021 23:50

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36103635)

Thanks. It doesn't go as far as:

As far as what? Did you read the first paragraph of the extract?

roughbeast

01-12-2021 15:18

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Here's a plea from the UK science community to the science minister for a Plan B of how to fund the hundreds of science projects, longterm, that were previously funded via the EU Horizon Programme.

Prior to Brexit, the UK was the chief coordinator of science projects within the Horizon Programme , ensuring that up to 130 worldwide countries were included in big EU projects of concern. We have now lost that role and the funds that made it happen. What is the plan for ensuring that the UK continues to be the key player in the worldwide science community? After all, Leave politicians argued that leaving the EU would free us up to spread our wings world-wide. Unless we follow through, that vision become a mere pipedream.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/...video_explicit

1andrew1

01-12-2021 15:36

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36103664)

As far as what? Did you read the first paragraph of the extract?

Yes.

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…it appeared on Monday night that France is seeking an EU-wide agreement that could involve the return of Channel migrants to the continent.

Is not the same as

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France is prepared to agree to have illegal migrants from there back. One more so called ‘disadvantage of leaving the EU’ removed.

spiderplant

01-12-2021 15:53

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Originally Posted by roughbeast (Post 36103721)

Here's a plea from the UK science community to the science minister for a Plan B of how to fund the hundreds of science projects, longterm, that were previously funded via the EU Horizon Programme.

No way am I clicking a URL that ends "live_video_explicit" at work :shocked:

OLD BOY

01-12-2021 16:32

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36103723)

Yes.

Is not the same as

Awfully picky when it comes to the good news, Andrew.

I think it is clear which way this is going, no need to despair just yet.

1andrew1

01-12-2021 16:37

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36103728)

No way am I clicking a URL that ends "live_video_explicit" at work :shocked:

It's ok - checked it on my phone - but that URL is not a friendly one to click and counter-productive to promote.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36103736)

Awfully picky when it comes to the good news, Andrew.

I think it is clear which way this is going, no need to despair just yet.

Might be good news if it actually happened but we can't even get a seat at the table yet and we don't know what France might want in return and indeed if this report is accurate - the Telegraph has form here.

You're banking the winnings before the horses have even reached the race course!

pip08456

01-12-2021 16:40

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36103728)

No way am I clicking a URL that ends "live_video_explicit" at work :shocked:

I wouldn't click anything that links to Facebook.

OLD BOY

01-12-2021 17:29

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36103739)

It's ok - checked it on my phone - but that URL is not a friendly one to click and counter-productive to promote.

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Might be good news if it actually happened but we can't even get a seat at the table yet and we don't know what France might want in return and indeed if this report is accurate - the Telegraph has form here.

You're banking the winnings before the horses have even reached the race course!

As I said, I heard it on the radio as well. Sorry to disappoint you with this good news, but I’m sure you’ll find a way of turning it around if you can!:D

Hugh	01-12-2021 18:59

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36103757)

As I said, I heard it on the radio as well. Sorry to disappoint you with this good news, but I’m sure you’ll find a way of turning it around if you can!:D

Here’s a link to a non-paywall version.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...id-brexit-feud

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France is preparing to offer Boris Johnson proposals for an agreement with the European Union on migration, less than a week after Emmanuel Macron slammed the U.K. premier for not taking the issue seriously enough.

Prime Minister Jean Castex will write to Johnson on Tuesday to suggest they work on a pact with the EU after at least 27 people died crossing the channel to try and reach the U.K.

“We want a balanced deal offering real solutions including to the problems of France and Europe,” France’s interior minister Gerald Darmanin said on Monday after a defense cabinet meeting. “We don’t want a mere unilateral accord.” Spokespeople for Castex didn’t immediately return requests for comment.

Johnson’s spokesman, Max Blain, told reporters that the prime minister has yet to receive the letter, but the U.K. wants to work “constructively” with France on the migration issue and that talks are ongoing at an official level.

You realise that Johnson hadn’t even received/read the letter yet, so your joy may be premature…

1andrew1

01-12-2021 23:45

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36103777)

You realise that Johnson hadn’t even received/read the letter yet, so your joy may be premature…

Exactly. It is premature. That's why I told Old Boy:

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"You're banking the winnings before the horses have even reached the race course!"

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US removes tariffs against EU but keeps those against UK due to its concerns about Northern Ireland.

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The administration of former U.S. President Donald Trump imposed 25% and 10% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports on the European Union in 2018. The tariffs were withdrawn in October of this year, but they remain in place for Britain due to its exit from the EU.

In a communication seen by the [Financial Times] newspaper, a U.S. Commerce Department official was quoted as saying that talks with the UK on easing metals tariffs could not move ahead.

The official cited U.S. concerns about British threats to trigger emergency clause Article 16, the report said, especially from the U.S. Congress.

Article 16 is an emergency brake that allows the UK or EU to seek to suspend parts of the Brexit agreement that introduced some checks on the movement of goods to Northern Ireland from mainland Britain if they lead to persistent difficulties.

The FT said that the United States had informed the UK about the reason for the delay.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...cid=uxbndlbing

roughbeast

02-12-2021 07:26

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36103728)

No way am I clicking a URL that ends "live_video_explicit" at work :shocked:

It's fine. A representative of the science community is being explicit about post-Brexit concerns that need addressing. Funding gaps need plugging, long-term, or our hopes of being a powerful post-Brexit nation, with science and technology at its core, will come to nought.

1andrew1

02-12-2021 10:37

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Originally Posted by roughbeast (Post 36103868)

I expect the Treasury will argue the scientists now have the opportunity to become HGV drivers and no extra funding will be needed to replace Horizon.

Carth

02-12-2021 11:57

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36103894)

I expect the Treasury will argue the scientists now have the opportunity to become HGV drivers and no extra funding will be needed to replace Horizon.

Do keep up Andrew, the HGV driver shortage is history now, we've moved past the petrol shortage, the pigs in blanket shortage, and the abattoir workers shortage, and even the 'au pair' shortage has been forgotten. We're now well into the problems of getting enough cheap tat from China in time for Christmas :D

mrmistoffelees

02-12-2021 12:04

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36103923)

Quite handy Omicron came along when it did, almost as if... no.... can't be... surely not..... :erm:

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