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Mr K 20-11-2018 10:01
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35971584)
So cynical! Playing politics on such a crucial issue for this country. What he should be doing is advocating how he sees our future relationship with Europe and how best to go for Brexit (assuming he still wants to keep his pledge to honour the result of the referendum).

Instead of that, he just criticises, heckles and continues to act like a maverick back bencher. In truth, he doesn't know what the hell he is doing or where he's going. The man is a disgrace. With a better Opposition Leader showing a bit of Statesmanship, we might be in a better place now.

How you can defend this pathetic man, I do not know.
They are all playing politics with the future of the country. He's no different.

Slowley but surely TMs MPs will get behind her. Once it's all agreed at the weekend the momentum will all be one way. Hard to see it getting through parliament, but thats a few weeks away, which is a long time atm. Accept BRINO, it's the best we'll get, assuming we're ruling out the lot less damaging remain. Brexit was flawed from the beginning and project Fear has been true. Rees Mogg, Boris have been exposed as the fraudsters and self seeking liars they are - even their own followers are deserting them.

OLD BOY 20-11-2018 10:12
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35971589)
They are all playing politics with the future of the country. He's no different.

Slowley but surely TMs MPs will get behind her. Once it's all agreed at the weekend the momentum will all be one way. Hard to see it getting through parliament, but thats a few weeks away, which is a long time atm. Accept BRINO, it's the best we'll get, assuming we're ruling out the lot less damaging remain. Brexit was flawed from the beginning and project Fear has been true. Rees Mogg, Boris have been exposed as the fraudsters and self seeking liars they are - even their own followers are deserting them.
Brexit is not flawed, it makes sense for us to prioritise trading freely with the rest of the world than being tied up in knots by the EU. Project Fear has been shown to have been incredibly untrue, so I don't know where your information is coming from!

The Conservative Party will start to rally behind the Prime Minister as the Brexiteers wearily accept that their play for a hard Brexit looks doomed, but I think they have lost the DUP.

The big question really is how many Labour MPs will put the wish of the electorate and the needs of the country first and either vote with the Government or abstain. There are plenty of moderate Labour MPs out there who have a conscience and will do what is right.

One word from Corbyn on which way they should vote and they will do as they like, because even no 10's cat knows that he hasn't a clue what he's doing.

jfman 20-11-2018 11:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35971584)
So cynical! Playing politics on such a crucial issue for this country. What he should be doing is advocating how he sees our future relationship with Europe and how best to go for Brexit (assuming he still wants to keep his pledge to honour the result of the referendum).

Instead of that, he just criticises, heckles and continues to act like a maverick back bencher. In truth, he doesn't know what the hell he is doing or where he's going. The man is a disgrace. With a better Opposition Leader showing a bit of Statesmanship, we might be in a better place now.

How you can defend this pathetic man, I do not know.
I’m not defending his position I’m telling you what I think he is likely to do.

I expect footballers to play football, why would you not expect politicians to play politics?

I’m not convinced that supporting Brexit is Statesmanlike. Certainly we’ve not seen such behaviour from Johnson, Gove, Mogg et al.

It’s up to Government to govern. Not the opposition.

Sephiroth 20-11-2018 11:37
Re: Brexit
 
[QUOTE=1andrew1;35971558]I'm not sure you got the British sense of humour here. Anyone who's been to a piss-up in a brewery would be a piss-poor negotiator the next day. [SEPH]: Pretty pointless remark from you, then.

More to the point, what do you judge of Farage as a Brexit negotiator, no matter how unlikely?


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1andrew1 20-11-2018 12:32
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35971586)
Was he actually involved in them being sold for that price or was it someone else?

Seems far fetched to blame Boris for something he had no part in. Also - this has nothing to do with Brexit btw.
It was Boris's vanity project and his poor negotiating skills.
A better negotiator would have added in a clause that if Theresa May failed to approve their use, he could send them back and get a refund.

ianch99 20-11-2018 12:44
Re: Brexit
 
Interesting development but not entirely surprising:

Spain Brexit: PM Sánchez threatens to vote no over Gibraltar

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Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has said Spain will reject the draft Brexit withdrawal deal without a clarification of the text on future talks on the status of Gibraltar.

Spain maintains a claim to the peninsula, ceded to the British crown under the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht.

It wants to ensure that future EU talks with the UK do not cover Gibraltar.

"As things stand today if there are no changes regarding Gibraltar, Spain will vote no on Brexit," said Mr Sánchez.
I suspect that Spain will be talked down from this position to ease things through but if they dig their heels in, this would be a problem.

Hugh 20-11-2018 12:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35971605)
I'm not sure you got the British sense of humour here. Anyone who's been to a piss-up in a brewery would be a piss-poor negotiator the next day. [SEPH]: Pretty pointless remark from you, then.

More to the point, what do you judge of Farage as a Brexit negotiator, no matter how unlikely?


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For myself, as I have seen no examples of his negotiation skills, so I have to rate them as low to non-existent.

He has tried to sell himself seven times as an MP, and failed each time, so if he can't sell himself and his views, how could he sell the country's position?

All he does is carp, but never offers constructive (and able to be implemented) solutions.

Any examples of his negotiating skills gratefully received.

jfman 20-11-2018 14:49
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35971615)
For myself, as I have seen no examples of his negotiation skills, so I have to rate them as low to non-existent.

He has tried to sell himself seven times as an MP, and failed each time, so if he can't sell himself and his views, how could he sell the country's position?

All he does is carp, but never offers constructive (and able to be implemented) solutions.

Any examples of his negotiating skills gratefully received.
In his defence he has managed to trick 17.4 million people into voting against their economic interests for intangible concepts.

Mick 20-11-2018 15:21
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35971627)

In his defence he has managed to trick 17.4 million people into voting against their economic interests for intangible concepts.
Erm, excuse me - that encapsulates me and absolutely NOBODY, tricked me, influenced me, told me how to vote - I voted on my own volition.

jfman 20-11-2018 15:46
Re: Brexit
 
Sorry, the vast majority of.

1andrew1 20-11-2018 16:04
Re: Brexit
 
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The Government has failed to stop a European Court hearing which will consider whether the UK can unilaterally revoke its Article 50 request to leave the EU.

The Supreme Court has rejected an appeal by the Government against a Scottish ruling which asked the Court of Justice of the EU (CJEU) to look at whether the UK can reverse the Brexit clause.

A cross-party group of MPs, MEPs and MSPs, along with Jolyon Maugham QC, the director of the Good Law Project, had asked the Scottish courts to rule that the case should be referred to the CJEU in Luxembourg.

The case will now be heard at the CJEU on November 27.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...PlE?ocid=ientp

Mick 20-11-2018 16:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35971633)
Sorry, the vast majority of.
That is still an incorrect assumption and very disingenuous. There is absolutely NO evidence every single leave voter, looked to Nigel Farage and say, I will listen to him. People have their own minds to make up. It's a typical remainer one sided ideology that those who voted to leave, some how were not able to make an informed choice on their own accord. It's totally wrong.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35971634)
Pointless case - the government will not and has no intention of revoking A50.

Sephiroth 20-11-2018 16:10
Re: Brexit
 
As if the perfidious Irish government weren't bad enough, the equally perfidious Spanish government are now playing the Gibraltar card to stop the Brexit deal being agreed.

So it might not need to go to a parliamentary vote.

I ask the Remainers, why would you want to be part of Union that includes that lot? And that's in addition to the French you won't allow the CAP to be reformed, the Germans who are determined to run the EU and Italy about to go bust and take the Euro with it.

Damien 20-11-2018 16:15
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35971637)
As if the perfidious Irish government weren't bad enough, the equally perfidious Spanish government are now playing the Gibraltar card to stop the Brexit deal being agreed.

So it might not need to go to a parliamentary vote.

I ask the Remainers, why would you want to be part of Union that includes that lot? And that's in addition to the French you won't allow the CAP to be reformed, the Germans who are determined to run the EU and Italy about to go bust and take the Euro with it.
It will be the same for any trade deal too. People act in their own interests. Do you think the USA won't look to extract as many concessions from us as possible? They're being mean to us is not a reason to walk away.

I still am wondering what this alternative idea for avoiding a hard border in Ireland is by the way.

Mr K 20-11-2018 16:46
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35971637)
As if the perfidious Irish government weren't bad enough, the equally perfidious Spanish government are now playing the Gibraltar card to stop the Brexit deal being agreed.

So it might not need to go to a parliamentary vote.

I ask the Remainers, why would you want to be part of Union that includes that lot? And that's in addition to the French you won't allow the CAP to be reformed, the Germans who are determined to run the EU and Italy about to go bust and take the Euro with it.
You didn't get 'hedgemony' in ! Must try harder ;)

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35971412)
they think it's 80 years ago and they're in a episode of Dads Army !
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LOL they really do think they're in Dad's Army. Rees Mogg is a big Capt. Mainwaring fan !

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3994891.html
Quote:
. I’ve always admired Captain Mainwaring,” he admitted after his attempt to trigger a confidence vote was compared with an episode of the long-running BBC comedy.
Mainwaring is a much more shrewd tactician than Mogg. :D


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