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sciatica'd as a newt every lunchtime.

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ZF's given. ;)

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Been reading a good article in the FT "Brexit hardliners have shown they are not up to the job". It demolishes the argument that we needed a Brexiter in charge of the negotiations by pointing out how unsuccessful the Brexit ministers have been in their positions. The way that Theresa May ran rings around David Davis and Dominic Raab suggests that they would have been no match for the EU. The article does suggest that Theresa May has not been an impressive negotiator as she set out red lines she couldn't stick to and agreed early on to an inescapable Irish backstop amongst other failings.

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David Cameron went to the EU to try and make changes before the referendum and was pretty much sent packing and came back with next to nothing.

His words were to stay in the EU and try and change it within over time.

However it's pretty clear that the EU is going down the whole federation route especially wanting to create its own army.

If the UK had stayed in the EU how long do you think we would have stayed with the current "Special Status" we had eventually we would have to conform to EU ways.

It might have been even harder to leave the EU had we stayed with them maybe leaving at a greater cost.

We talk about sovereignty kiss that goodbye if we stay in the EU.

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I'm not sure you got the British sense of humour here. Anyone who's been to a piss-up in a brewery would be a piss-poor negotiator the next day. ;)

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Kiss that goodbye with Theresa May's deal for a few years if not forever.

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It's not Theresa May's, it's serial remainer, Olly Robbins half hearted deal with the EU. ;)

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l would have to say you are probably right Damien.

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Post 3625 onwards. You replied and made some invalid points failing to fully understand that post, I replied again and the conversation went round in circles from there.

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As I said before everyone seems to think they would get a better deal but haven’t explained how. Corbyn thinks he can walk in and go ‘jobs first’ Brexit and the ERG think they can go ‘but we’re British!’ and the EU will fold.

As with the Irish border there are a lot of people who can talk and talk but not a lot who can do.

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The problem for Corbyn is to switch now, or to give specific answers now, leaves him politically exposed for months.

If, and it’s a big if, Corbyn is going to favour a People’s Vote, delay and/or remain it has to be done at the very last possible moment. Any sooner looks like a calculated political shift.

At the last minute he gets to play lines about the Tories leaving us unprepared, a shambles throughout negotiations, nobody votes to make themselves poorer, etc. He can say he called multiple times for a General Election that never happened. Sorry folks, I’d no other option but to send this back to the people.

Now whether any of the above is actually true is irrelevant- those are the lines to take politically.

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Indeed.

People are kidding themselves on that while we sent over a myriad of Brexit Secretaries with no clear vision, no plan and no contingencies that the EU haven’t been working around the clock for over two years to develop a strategy to give us roughly these three options.

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As I showed previously, the way that Theresa May rang rings around the Brexiters like David Davis showed they would not stand a chance against the EU, despite There's May's weaknesses.They would have likely resigned due to pressure or got a worse deal.

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Christmas Number 1? :)

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Just read how Boris Johnson spent over £300k on German water cannon and £26k per year on insurance and maintenance despite not being allowed to use them by Theresa May. They have been auctioned off for £11k scrap.
Could he have hinestly done better than Theresa May's team in negotiations?

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So cynical! Playing politics on such a crucial issue for this country. What he should be doing is advocating how he sees our future relationship with Europe and how best to go for Brexit (assuming he still wants to keep his pledge to honour the result of the referendum).

Instead of that, he just criticises, heckles and continues to act like a maverick back bencher. In truth, he doesn't know what the hell he is doing or where he's going. The man is a disgrace. With a better Opposition Leader showing a bit of Statesmanship, we might be in a better place now.

How you can defend this pathetic man, I do not know.

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Was he actually involved in them being sold for that price or was it someone else?

Seems far fetched to blame Boris for something he had no part in. Also - this has nothing to do with Brexit btw.