Re: Britain outside the EU
 

That's why I said 'legal system' not 'justice system'.

The ability to appeal a legal decision extends past the justice system, because even then it is not 100% infallible. Just ask the Windrush generation.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Hes spot on, as I said previously - stop making it attractive to come here.
There is clearly something fundamentally wrong when they all want to pass through France (and others European countries) just to get the the UK.

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Or, they have relatives here, or they speak English perhaps ?

Working illegally in the U.K. is nowhere near as easy as it used to be, and there are large fines dished out to employers who break these rules.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

One of the reasons for coming is our reputation for respect of law and human rights, so once the government removes the Human Rights legislation, criminalise any form of protest and have the ability to remove citizenship from many people born in the UK without notice, then it'll feel no different than their home countries, and won't be as much as a draw.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Agreed.

And surely it's more cost-effective as those who are approved can then get into the job market and pay taxes etc whilst those aren't can hopefully be deported with less time needed to house and feed both categories of people.

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Being part of the EU meant we could return people to France and use the Europol database.

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Relatives that also sneaked in illegally ?
If they have valid relatives, how about they apply using proper processes.

Speaking English is not a valid reason to try and sneak into the UK.

You forgot this bit at the bottom though ;

Of course, there will always be people who make up excuses for them.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

You mean the one that requires people to apply online?

https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa/partner-spouse

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The current situation is that we have no practical options for people to claim asylum to the UK while they're outside the UK in their home country, and we'll try to deny asylum or refugee status for people coming to the UK if they've travelled through a 'safe' country which may be all EU countries.

Even where the government have said they'd establish a legal route to come straight to the UK - its not been done yet

The best way to legalise anything is to make the legal options more attractive than the illegal ones. We're not currently doing that in any meaningful way for asylum and refugees.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Pick them up on the south coast, drive them to Dover and put them on the first ferry back to France hell pay the ferry fee it will still be massively cheaper then holding them here. Unless they come off a plane or ship from outside the EU we have no duty to take them in and we've taken too many as it is. Blair should face some consequence for his blind eye to unchecked immigration that he helped under his government to change the society of the UK.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

That would seem to be the process, yes.
So if youre outside the UK, you apply from outside the UK (pretty obvious really).
I believe the internet still works in France.

Its perfectly practical, europe has the internet you know.

Who is coming to the UK without passing through a safe country ?
Certainly none of those crossing the channel, since they start in France.
Seems we should try harder.

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But the argument is that if you're already in the EU, it's safe and we shouldn't let them come to the UK. So the application could be denied. Countries where they are not safe likely don't have a safe internet connection for them to make the application.

So by design it's either you can't apply online, or if you can then we'll probably say no anyway.
Yes, we should try harder to make it so that they don't need to travel through the EU in order to apply for UK asylum or refugee status. Glad you agree on that.

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Dont try and be a smart arse, or I'll just delete it next time.

We should try harder to stop/deny them, you know very well that is what I was saying.

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That makes a great soundbite for the Media and human rights lot . . but I fear if we did that we'd be snowed under for years with applications from anyone, anywhere, and the long waiting list would still make some risk the boat trip.
There's also the potential that 'relaxed' or 'fast track' applications could mean the 'wrong uns' slip through the net too.

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

Meanwhile, editors at The Sunday Telegraph and The Spectator are having Bregrets.
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/...s-come-off-it/

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

So let me understand what is being said here then.

We should make it too difficult to get to the UK and claim asylum here. We should also not set up any legal asylum routes to the UK anywhere other than online because it might take a lot of work.

But all other countries outside the UK should make sure we don't need to deal with any of it too, deal with the work that will entail that we don't want to do, and if they don't we'll blame them?

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

If we had a competent and confident government some benefits might be showing but we've got boris the buffoon and co who can't remember what real conservatism is and spend too much time placating woke prats.

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Yes Ben let's have a nice big open door because that always works so well.