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1andrew1 08-08-2020 18:48
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36046045)
What on earth are you on about? My points are very clear.
e.g: Don't give in to EU bullying. (Aka Don't accede to the EU's red lines). Vert clear.

The Remainers don't say "Do give in to EU bullying". They don't say "Do accept the EU's red lines". They don't say anything that points to a direction they think we should be taking.

"Invest more energy in solving it ..." means nothing. It's rhetoric. Useless.
Leavers created this situation and should be capable of getting us out from it. They knew what they were voing for and hence had a solution. Hopefully, that solution was more constructive than just blaming the other side!

Remainers devising solutions won't cut the mustard. They will end up with similar smears as those attached to Theresa May's government.

I would suggest you bend Redwood's ear and remind him what he and his colleagues promised you at the time of the referendum. However, I understand that he is currently embroiled in a big NIMBY dispute with Wokingham Borough Council which says "We're outraged and disgusted at these government proposals which would see the amount of new housing more than double across the Wokingham Borough to 1,635 per year."

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36046038)
didn't you like rest of the leavers say the lie that uk hold all the cards OB
Noted: That pack of cards has gone from being held totally by the UK to "not being totally held by the EU".

Sephiroth 08-08-2020 18:53
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36046049)
Leavers created this situation and should be capable of getting us out from it. They knew what they were voing for and hence had a solution. Hopefully, that solution was more constructive than just blaming the other side!

Remainers devising solutions won't cut the mustard. They will end up with similar smears as those attached to Theresa May's government.

I would suggest you bend Redwood's ear and remind him what he and his colleagues promised you at the time of the referendum. However, I understand that he is currently embroiled in a big NIMBY dispute with Wokingham Borough Council which says "We're outraged and disgusted at these government proposals which would see the amount of new housing more than double across the Wokingham Borough to 1,635 per year."

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Noted: That pack of cards has gone from being held totally by the UK to "not being totally held by the EU".
You're doing it again. Nothing to say other than equivalent of "I told you so".

I'll ask you again: In your view, should the UK give way on the EU's red lines?

ianch99 08-08-2020 18:53
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36046049)
Leavers created this situation and should be capable of getting us out from it. They knew what they were voing for and hence had a solution. Hopefully, that solution was more constructive than just blaming the other side!

Remainers devising solutions won't cut the mustard. They will end up with similar smears as those attached to Theresa May's government.

I would suggest you bend Redwood's ear and remind him what he and his colleagues promised you at the time of the referendum. However, I understand that he is currently embroiled in a big NIMBY dispute with Wokingham Borough Council which says "We're outraged and disgusted at these government proposals which would see the amount of new housing more than double across the Wokingham Borough to 1,635 per year."

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Noted: That pack of cards has gone from being held totally by the UK to "not being totally held by the EU".
Let's remind ourselves what these con artists said at the time shall we?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eeh3eVrU...jpg&name=small

Sephiroth 08-08-2020 18:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36046049)
Leavers created this situation and should be capable of getting us out from it. They knew what they were voing for and hence had a solution. Hopefully, that solution was more constructive than just blaming the other side!

Remainers devising solutions won't cut the mustard. They will end up with similar smears as those attached to Theresa May's government.

I would suggest you bend Redwood's ear and remind him what he and his colleagues promised you at the time of the referendum. However, I understand that he is currently embroiled in a big NIMBY dispute with Wokingham Borough Council which says "We're outraged and disgusted at these government proposals which would see the amount of new housing more than double across the Wokingham Borough to 1,635 per year."[
<SNIP>.
Your diversion from the matter at hand in this thread is utterly pointless.

What ground should the UK give in negotiating with the EU?

1andrew1 08-08-2020 19:11
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36046054)
Your diversion from the matter at hand in this thread is utterly pointless.

What ground should the UK give in negotiating with the EU?
Not really as he's the person to take up your buyer's remorse with. And that question on its own is impossible to answer. Leavers need to own a situation of their creation.

But pleading with a third country to try and prevent migrants coming to the UK whilst simultaneously trying to withdraw that country's fishing rights is not the brightest of ideas.

Sephiroth 08-08-2020 19:22
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36046056)
Not really as he's the person to take up your buyer's remorse with. And that question on its own is impossible to answer. Leavers need to own a situation of their creation.

But pleading with a third country to try and prevent migrants coming to the UK whilst simultaneously trying to withdraw that country's fishing rights is not the brightest of ideas.
Again I ask:

What ground should the UK give in negotiating with the EU?

1andrew1 08-08-2020 19:27
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36046060)
Again I ask:

What ground should the UK give in negotiating with the EU?
I've answered that it's impossible to answer. And it's not up to Remainers to bail you out as their solutions will not be seen as independent.

Pierre 08-08-2020 19:39
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36046053)
Let's remind ourselves what these con artists said at the time shall we?

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FFS. It happened it’s over. Stop whinging.

pip08456 08-08-2020 20:29
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The day after we leave we hold all the cards and we can chose the path we want.
Err... What's changed? Deal or no deal it is our choice. We hold the cards to our future wherever that may lead us. We will be a Sovereign nation who decides its own future.

We will deal with others on those terms. Chose the path we want affirms that.

Sephiroth 08-08-2020 20:35
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36046061)
I've answered that it's impossible to answer. And it's not up to Remainers to bail you out as their solutions will not be seen as independent.
Andrew,

I confess not to remember you saying that my question was impossible to answer.

There's no way I'm asking you to 'bail me out'. That you should resort to such a crass remark is only worthy of another contributor whom I mustn't troll in this thread.

It really is a simple question: In your opinion, what ground should the UK give in negotiating with the EU?

1andrew1 08-08-2020 20:35
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36046062)
FFS. It happened it’s over. Stop whinging.
It might appear that way at a cursory glnce. But it was appropriate in this context as it was citing evidence that the holding-all-the-cards metaphor had originally been ascribed to the UK. We're now hearing that the EU "doesn't hold all the cards".

Pierre 08-08-2020 21:21
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36046070)
It might appear that way at a cursory glnce. But it was appropriate in this context as it was citing evidence that the holding-all-the-cards metaphor had originally been ascribed to the UK. We're now hearing that the EU "doesn't hold all the cards".
Nothing in any of those quotes means anything. They were not promises or guarantees. They were opinion.

Furthermore they may yet be accurate, they may be wrong.,.........we’ll find out in due course.

ianch99 08-08-2020 22:48
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36046062)
FFS. It happened it’s over. Stop whinging.
Truth hurts doesn't it?

Carth 08-08-2020 23:22
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. . . and now we go over to our Current Affairs reporter from Cable Forum.

Well it's another day of madness here, the usual gangs have been busily sniping at each other from the cover of their keyboards, and exchanging sly winks and slaps on the back for any minor points scored.
There was a moment earlier in the session when a senior board member called for clarification on some of the language used, but all in all it's just been the same arguments on the same merry go round. The scores are still tied at 168 each, maybe tomorrow will see a breakthrough.

Back to the studio for the weather . .

1andrew1 09-08-2020 00:28
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36046069)
Andrew,

I confess not to remember you saying that my question was impossible to answer.

There's no way I'm asking you to 'bail me out'. That you should resort to such a crass remark is only worthy of another contributor whom I mustn't troll in this thread.

It really is a simple question: In your opinion, what ground should the UK give in negotiating with the EU?
I reiterate that that is an impossible question as no one outside the negotiating team has sufficient information to know what the UK's true red lines and objectives are.

My objectives, as you know are to put the economy first as a strong economy enables services like our armed forces and nursing homes to be properly funded and it's beneficial for people's health and in keeping crime rates low. This necessitates as close a deal with the EU as possible so we should elect for a deal like the EFTA countries have without the Schengen area. I'm happy to sacrifice notional elements of sovereignty to join NATO, to join the United Nations, to join EFTA and to join Five Eyes.

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36046082)
. . . and now we go over to our Current Affairs reporter from Cable Forum.

Well it's another day of madness here, the usual gangs have been busily sniping at each other from the cover of their keyboards, and exchanging sly winks and slaps on the back for any minor points scored.
There was a moment earlier in the session when a senior board member called for clarification on some of the language used, but all in all it's just been the same arguments on the same merry go round. The scores are still tied at 168 each, maybe tomorrow will see a breakthrough.

Back to the studio for the weather . .
:D:D:D


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