Cable Forum - Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)

IF you dnt know why a fibre connection is better i think your in the wrong business ;) only joking. Why fibre because techincally is infite capacity, and has a lot of otehr benefits that virign could use apart form broadband and tv. but i dnt see it happening for at least 10-20 years or until bt is starting to cause a threat

I thought that the 200Mb broadband tests in Kent involved fibre to your door. So I'd say sooner than 10-20 years for some areas anyway.

VM really do need more capacity for TV to compete with the various UK and European satellite platforms as well as for broadband and other potential services. They could attract far more customers if they could satisfy the needs of European and Asian residents by eliminating the need for a large dish and potentially multiple satellite boxes.

I have fibre delivered to my door by Ocado. Broadband / All-Bran it's all the same to me! Pardon the toilet humour.

Andrewcrawford23

22-08-2009 12:36

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Originally Posted by Felim_Doyle (Post 34858807)

Nope the trial is using docsis3 bonding docsis 3 could in thoery with anagolue switched off deliver about 1-2Gigabit jsut now it could do about 400-500mb japan has 160mb using current cable conenction of docsis 3

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 34858633)

Actually I used to work in fibre networking. At a world-beating 50Mbps. :)

Well it's certainly high, but you need to be able to source and consume the data at that speed. And that's the problem. There aren't the applications to use it.

Such as?

On this we agree. No-one would lay cable in bulk these days, but there's plenty of life in the old dog yet.

ps. How's the search going?

Well what coudl vrigin do with fibre to the home ;) apart form say 10Gigabit conenctions (i bloody wish), over 2000 channels with at least 300-400 hd channels. they coudl offer SVOD ie a channel where you pay for what you want to watch it quite poplour in america, so they coudl offer maybe 100 off them ( i am gussign you knwo the amount of VOD streams that would need ot be need int eh background ofr this) they could offer a slightly better VOd (but i give oyu this it wont give a great improvement virgin is far ahead with this)

but.... the thing that they coudl do that even blow sky out of the water they coudl nto do it jsut now even on DVB-S2, MPEG4 h264 encoding and with new boxes..... is SHD it been trialed in japan and hte way it was delviered ... fibre to the home (well this case premise because it wa business trial) it needs at least 600mb-1gb connection to do it it very high bandwidth comsumpation i believe compressed it not far off blu-ray uncompressed

spiderplant

22-08-2009 15:18

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34858838)

apart form say 10Gigabit conenctions (i bloody wish)

You couldn't use a 10Gbps connection. What are you going to connect to that can supply data at that speed, and what are you going to do with the data when you receive it?

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34858838)

over 2000 channels with at least 300-400 hd channels

These channels don't exist, and even if they did VM would still have do carriage deals to carry them. Would you be willing to pay 10 times as much for your TV service?

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34858838)

they coudl offer SVOD ie a channel where you pay for what you want to watch it quite poplour in america, so they coudl offer maybe 100 off them ( i am gussign you knwo the amount of VOD streams that would need ot be need int eh background ofr this) they could offer a slightly better VOd

Because VOD is switched to you, it uses tiny bandwidth. The number of viewing choices doesn't affect the bandwidth required. (You already have thousands of choices)

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34858838)

SHD... it needs at least 600mb-1gb connection to do it

In other words, a quarter of the capacity of coax (using current technology)

Felim_Doyle

22-08-2009 17:36

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Slightly OT but does anyone know a good source of pictures of Virgin Media set-top-boxes front and rear?

Yes, I'm asking for photos of STBs in various positions and from different angles! :o:

That's what happens when you mix your Red, Green and Blue tablets. You go a bit SCARTer brained. :(

Nook29

22-08-2009 17:58

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Originally Posted by Felim_Doyle (Post 34858978)

I know Wikipedia has pics of the front and back of the SA box. ;)

joglynne

22-08-2009 17:59

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In case you have to get them singly here's the rear view of the SA V+ to get you started.

Andrewcrawford23

22-08-2009 18:03

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 34858892)

You couldn't use a 10Gbps connection. What are you going to connect to that can supply data at that speed, and what are you going to do with the data when you receive it?

These channels don't exist, and even if they did VM would still have do carriage deals to carry them. Would you be willing to pay 10 times as much for your TV service?

Because VOD is switched to you, it uses tiny bandwidth. The number of viewing choices doesn't affect the bandwidth required. (You already have thousands of choices)

In other words, a quarter of the capacity of coax (using current technology)

Yes they might be switched but they still are there, and all have to be there because anyone coudl use them and if they where deploying SVOD channels then they need alot more. All wha ti said is thoery of what they could do with direct fibre conenction. But wether they would or wether they want to or wether there is demand for it is anaother question.

Acutally i know of quite a few places i can get a direct 10gbit connection to mostly because they use oc192 and above. but even wiht torrents in thoery if oyu had enough people uploading for linux distro you could in thoery use the 10gbit conention ot the full, but i do understand what oyu are maening most sites and places are running between 10mb-100mb there odd place on 1gb but few are above that

spiderplant

22-08-2009 22:42

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34859002)

Acutally i know of quite a few places i can get a direct 10gbit connection to mostly because they use oc192 and above.

Yes, but they have thousands of users, not just you.

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 34859002)

even wiht torrents in thoery if oyu had enough people uploading for linux distro you could in thoery use the 10gbit conention ot the full

OK, so you've downloaded your distro in 4 seconds. Then what are you going to do with it? You'll need one hell of a disc array to store it at that speed. Three of these should do the trick.

I really wish there was a killer app that needed serious bandwidth, because VM could clean up. But sadly there just isn't.

Andrewcrawford23

22-08-2009 23:11

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 34859186)

Yes, but they have thousands of users, not just you.

OK, so you've downloaded your distro in 4 seconds. Then what are you going to do with it? You'll need one hell of a disc array to store it at that speed. Three of these should do the trick.

I really wish there was a killer app that needed serious bandwidth, because VM could clean up. But sadly there just isn't.

There was ;) it was called 4oD and it really ate bandwidth i am glad virign have a near comparable service to the now online version which is miles better.

True but with fibre they could potential give that speed to everyone, i say 2-5 years we will be seeing 1gb connection from virgin and bt because demand will be there so i say 10gb would be about 15-20 years after that, jsut because demand isnt high for it now does not mean it is not there and does not mean virign could not explotiot there network which is far superior to any otehr isp in the uk..... well any residential one

Media Boy UK

24-08-2009 15:00

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Setanta Sports UK fall out: Premier Rugby in talks with Sky and ESPN over Ex-Setanta Sports rights from 2010-11 season.

Premier Rugby is in talks with Sky and ESPN over television rights for 43 Premiership matches from the 2010-11 season that have become available after the collapse of Setanta (Sports UK).

Sky already have a bundle of 26 games.

Nook29

24-08-2009 15:35

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Sky get La Liga

Bailey Boy

24-08-2009 19:55

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Any one knows who's got in rights to Rugby celtic league or did it disappear with Setanta Sports

Media Boy UK

24-08-2009 20:34

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Originally Posted by Bailey Boy (Post 34860123)

Any one knows who's got in rights to Rugby celtic league or did it disappear with Setanta Sports

As far as I know:

Setanta Sports Ireland - for Ireland viewers only.
S4C and BBC Two Wales - for Wales viewers only.

No rights for English or Scottish viewers yet as Setanta Sports UK has the rights to games for England and Scottish viewers.

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On Saturday September 5th at 19:00 ESPN will broadcast Denmark v Portugal - An World Cup Qualifier live.

Here is the list of games LIVE on UK Telly on that day:

KO Time - teams - Channel - Broadcast times.

12:15 - Charlton Athletic v Brentford - Sky Sports 1 - 12:00-14:30
15:00 - Scotland v Macedonia - World Cup Qualifier - Sky Sports 1 - 14:30-17:30
17:30 - England v Slovenia - International - ITV1 (Not STV) - 16:45-19:35
19:00 - Denmark v Portugal - World Cup Qualifier - ESPN - 19:00-21:00
19:30 - Cyprus v Republic of Ireland - World Cup Qualifier - Sky Sports 1 - 19:25-21:30
20:00 - Poland v Northern Ireland - World Cup Qualifier - TBC
21:30 - Peru v Uruguay - World Cup Qualifier - Sky Sports 1 - 21:25-23:30
23:30 - Paraguay v Bolivia - World Cup Qualifier - Sky Sports 1 - 23:30-01:30

Media Boy UK

25-08-2009 14:49

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NFLUK.com: Five to show Sunday Night Football.

National Football League NFL UK will continue their relationship with Five for the 12th consecutive year after the two sides came to an agreement to show Sunday Night Football live in the UK.

http://tellychannelsnews.blogspot.co...day-night.html

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No update on post one this week back sometime in the 1st week of September.

Nook29

25-08-2009 17:42

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I'm doubting ESPN get any games now. It was looking like ESPN and Sky would share the rights, with Five out of the picture, but following this announcement I can only see Sky getting the rest.

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:00.

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